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AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
36. I'm a gun owner.
Fri Dec 14, 2012, 02:52 PM
Dec 2012

Longtime supporter of RKBA. You name it.

But.


For a long time, I have also been a supporter of things like Registration. It can be done. Sure, registries can be mis-used (See, California, 1992), but it CAN be done. It doesn't have to be overly expensive. It doesn't have to be a venue for confiscation or whatever the fears might be.

This shooting doesn't change anything for me around what I feel our rights are, or whether we should have firearms at all... but.


It has changed one thing. Self-reflection shows I have at times tried to shout down even discussion of some types of gun control. (not registration so much, I've been a supporter of that for years.) I won't do that anymore. We need to be talking, in order to come up with creative solutions to this problem. Vitriol. Shouting. Drowning people out. Even sarcasm. It all sets a tone of 'no discussion', and that isn't helpful. You won't see that from me, anymore.

My condolences to the families, the first responders, all the victims, and the survivors that will have to live on with this memory.

Tip toeing. Loudly Dec 2012 #1
Jesus Stuckinthebush Dec 2012 #2
As a strong (avid) supporter of the assault weapons ban frazzled Dec 2012 #20
If not today, when? BlueStreak Dec 2012 #39
Tomorrow sounds good frazzled Dec 2012 #88
This Congress will not pass any gun legislation. I'm asking for leadership. BlueStreak Dec 2012 #93
Leadership starts with us frazzled Dec 2012 #94
That's a cop out BlueStreak Dec 2012 #96
I'm saying the President has already led frazzled Dec 2012 #104
I must have missed that. I watched every debate. I listened to many of his stump speeches. BlueStreak Dec 2012 #108
You must have missed the second debate frazzled Dec 2012 #109
OK. Thank you. It was so tepid that I missed it. BlueStreak Dec 2012 #110
It'll never happen Stuckinthebush Dec 2012 #40
Obama can not do anything. If he tries, the gun nuts of every stripe will take that as proof of RC Dec 2012 #87
Renewing the AWB wouldn't have stopped this NickB79 Dec 2012 #101
That's not an argument for doing nothing frazzled Dec 2012 #103
Agreed. We need to do something about this NickB79 Dec 2012 #107
Public outrage is growing Harmony Blue Dec 2012 #3
Obama doesn't have the balls to make a stand on anything. Arctic Dave Dec 2012 #4
It sure looks that way. LiberalArkie Dec 2012 #25
The 'old' Obama? earthside Dec 2012 #72
at least he didn't tell us to pray Enrique Dec 2012 #5
Reminds me of... FiveGoodMen Dec 2012 #17
Agreed Stuckinthebush Dec 2012 #51
WHEN THE FUCK IS IT THE RIGHT DAY? Nothing happened after the other recent shootings. kysrsoze Dec 2012 #6
And every parent/teacher/clergy in Newton should be calling the WH to ask that. Myrina Dec 2012 #23
Hopefully never Ter Dec 2012 #92
I agree that today is NOT the day for the White House to talk about gun control... Tx4obama Dec 2012 #7
Or yesterday. dchill Dec 2012 #16
well we had a couple days between the last event to talk about it.. frylock Dec 2012 #28
I agree with Carney and Mr. Obama! STOP your Lynch Mob Mentality! thedanlovingood Dec 2012 #56
+1 ChazII Dec 2012 #70
Thanks, Dan. mac56 Dec 2012 #97
On this sad day I welcome you to DU! hrmjustin Dec 2012 #106
Why come here then? BainsBane Dec 2012 #117
Wrong. What a bunch of political bs Evergreen Emerald Dec 2012 #120
Nutjobs and freaks are not in charge of what I choose to discuss jberryhill Dec 2012 #122
When is the day to discuss this? AndyA Dec 2012 #8
This is America--where guns are sacred and post-birth human life isn't nt geek tragedy Dec 2012 #13
Yesterday. Iggo Dec 2012 #21
Fine. But are we now removed enough to discuss Charles Whitman?. . . Journeyman Dec 2012 #9
Too soon! NICO9000 Dec 2012 #35
Good call adieu Dec 2012 #38
America loves guns more than it loves its own children. geek tragedy Dec 2012 #10
:::facepalm::: Melinda Dec 2012 #11
Imagine other kinds of places shot up and it would be time to discuss it The Second Stone Dec 2012 #12
I agree. It isn't the day. liberalgunwilltravel Dec 2012 #14
That would be funny if it weren't so tragically pathetic. Comrade Grumpy Dec 2012 #15
I think the word is LAME. dchill Dec 2012 #19
It is never the right time. There's always some excuse for not doing anything. okwmember Dec 2012 #18
the windows between these events is growing smaller and smaller.. frylock Dec 2012 #22
+100 Myrina Dec 2012 #27
Re-election not an issue now so... fugop Dec 2012 #24
The press should be asking these questions of the NRA and the state Govs. Sunlei Dec 2012 #26
is that a fucking joke? d_b Dec 2012 #29
Today is the day to discuss gun laws. liberalmuse Dec 2012 #30
Not today, but immediately following the funerals. A strong statement toward 2013 would fit. JohnnyLib2 Dec 2012 #31
ONE MORE DAY avoided.... Plucketeer Dec 2012 #32
It's clear that President Obama can't stand up to the NRA - under ANY circumstances. forestpath Dec 2012 #33
if he won't I will - calling for a Million Mad About Guns March wordpix Dec 2012 #82
Agree, not the day for politics. 27 died, mostly kids. Have respect. There will be a tomorrow. n/t Akoto Dec 2012 #34
I'm a gun owner. AtheistCrusader Dec 2012 #36
My step father and grandfather both are avid collectors Harmony Blue Dec 2012 #42
So do we outlaw knives too? Just curious. humblebum Dec 2012 #37
How many dead? fugop Dec 2012 #44
Does it matter? People die from flying rocks too? humblebum Dec 2012 #47
Do you fucking people get a memo? WilliamPitt Dec 2012 #49
+1 Stuckinthebush Dec 2012 #52
Let's make it 26 then. humblebum Dec 2012 #55
I would suspect a lot more than by knives or rocks? navarth Dec 2012 #80
Obama hate machine on DU is in full effect. Trashing thread. Liberal_Stalwart71 Dec 2012 #41
Of course not. iandhr Dec 2012 #43
You can get on the president if you want to but seriously, you know if he wanted to change Filibuster Harry Dec 2012 #45
Assault weapons ban "a commitment" of President Obama's, spokesman says Tx4obama Dec 2012 #46
I'm going to throw up. WilliamPitt Dec 2012 #48
COWARDS!!!!! Stand up for the dead children!!!!!!!! cbdo2007 Dec 2012 #50
I agree that we can allow 1 day of information gathering and mourning THEN it is sure time to discus uppityperson Dec 2012 #53
No, because then you are using a tragedy to promote a political agenda. Arkana Dec 2012 #54
Nope. Tomorrow is the day. GoCubsGo Dec 2012 #57
^^^^^^^^^^^ This. jaded_old_cynic Dec 2012 #60
Nicely said. Richardo Dec 2012 #64
I totally agree steve2470 Dec 2012 #91
yup mac56 Dec 2012 #98
Word up. Frank Cannon Dec 2012 #114
I have to agree with him. This is not a day for political grandstanding LynneSin Dec 2012 #58
When will it be the time?!!!! Is this a joke? How many times are we going to let this happen?? AmandaMae Dec 2012 #59
This message was self-deleted by its author guyton Dec 2012 #61
I like that idea... 2naSalit Dec 2012 #81
I know you want to be consistent and not a hypocrite. former9thward Dec 2012 #119
Today is not the day? Every goddam day is THE DAY!!!!! nt valerief Dec 2012 #62
He's absolutely correct. Richardo Dec 2012 #63
Yes, and... GoCubsGo Dec 2012 #66
There will be copcats so again When is the time?? classykaren Dec 2012 #99
Not today. Richardo Dec 2012 #100
wrong, today is THE DAY to discuss it and call emergency session of Congress wordpix Dec 2012 #65
I agree with Secretary Carney Lasher Dec 2012 #67
It's not political, people are dying. grahamhgreen Dec 2012 #75
repost ot This Modern World SansACause Dec 2012 #68
It's most certainly not the day union_maid Dec 2012 #69
If not now, when? nt deminks Dec 2012 #71
As I have said before... Javaman Dec 2012 #73
FAIL. grahamhgreen Dec 2012 #74
A disgusting time to play politics. Fearless Dec 2012 #76
Of course it is not. When is the day ever to have a discussion that is real about it? Safetykitten Dec 2012 #77
Wrong! flakey_foont Dec 2012 #78
FAIL! RoccoR5955 Dec 2012 #79
I know what it will take 90-percent Dec 2012 #83
When the twin towers fell... lexx21 Dec 2012 #84
the President is right. 88mph Dec 2012 #85
It looks like Obama is saying more than Carney would caraher Dec 2012 #86
Agreed, and somewhat encouraging n/t brentspeak Dec 2012 #89
Today is the day. Ban assault weapons. No concealed weapons. LONG waiting periods for purchases. chimpymustgo Dec 2012 #90
The shooter used 2 handguns, not an assault rifle NickB79 Dec 2012 #95
It apparently never is the day to discuss gun control laws primavera Dec 2012 #102
Grave dancing Aerows Dec 2012 #105
the president has class arely staircase Dec 2012 #111
My God, have some decency! lbrtbell Dec 2012 #112
Eff that. Ban them. Let's see how the experiment goes. Blandocyte Dec 2012 #113
Today is not the day bocephus0706 Dec 2012 #115
Today was not the day. But I think we will deal with this soon. Jennicut Dec 2012 #116
First, this will be off the front page by Tuesday Doctor_J Dec 2012 #118
Enough votes for what? democrattotheend Dec 2012 #121
To keep the Senate and get the House in the mid-terms Doctor_J Dec 2012 #123
It's not about political ramifications democrattotheend Dec 2012 #124
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