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hack89

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32. This alderman support the ruling
Thu Dec 13, 2012, 12:51 PM
Dec 2012
Ald. Howard Brookins, 21st, chairman of the City Council black caucus, welcomed the decision, saying allowing Chicagoans to carry concealed weapons would help level the playing field in neighborhoods where law-abiding citizens feel like they need firearms to protect themselves.

"Certain people will have a sense of safety and peace of mind in the ability to do it," Brookins said of conceal-carry. "I know that even people, for example, just trying to see that their loved ones get homes safely are in technical violation of all sorts of weapons violations. If you just walk out to your garage and see that your wife is coming in the house safely, and you happen to have your gun on you, you're in technical violation of our ordinance. So I would hope all these ordinances would be consolidated so there's one set of rules and people would know where the bright line is to what they can and cannot do with respect to carrying a weapon."

Brookins said he's not worried doing away with the state ban would lead to an increase in gun violence as more people walk the streets with weapons. "I think those people have a gun now, they've just been made criminals because they can't legally have it," Brookins said. "And I think the gangbangers and thugs are going to have a gun regardless."

"Am I advocating arming everyone in Chicago?" Saturday Dec 2012 #1
Well then... HonEur12 Dec 2012 #3
Actually he's not Trunk Monkey Dec 2012 #17
Why do you think the lawful will suddenly become a bigger pproblem than the criminals? PavePusher Dec 2012 #37
You don't need a CCW license to carry in Vermont. JohnnyBoots Dec 2012 #47
Yes, compare VT to mikeysnot Dec 2012 #52
Lets compare Chicago to Houston. Have fun explaining that one. ;) X_Digger Dec 2012 #59
A comparison the gun Prohibtionists are extremly reluctant to make... friendly_iconoclast Dec 2012 #64
yes, lets compare, what are your numbers? mikeysnot Dec 2012 #109
Here, have fun.. X_Digger Dec 2012 #110
Now if your numbers would be zero mikeysnot Dec 2012 #111
Funny, Chicago's is also not zero.. X_Digger Dec 2012 #113
"Cough" by your own logic... mikeysnot Dec 2012 #114
Who made the claim that it did? *looks around* Nope, not me. X_Digger Dec 2012 #115
Do you know who dennis Byrne's is? mikeysnot Dec 2012 #116
Oh, so only *some* Chicagoans' opinions matter, heh. X_Digger Dec 2012 #117
Have someone read this to you mikeysnot Dec 2012 #118
If it's all about the guns, then why doesn't Houston have the same rate as Chicago? X_Digger Dec 2012 #119
So I take it you don't live in chicago mikeysnot Dec 2012 #120
Things will be different, they'll be much worse. byeya Dec 2012 #2
Only if you consider an increase in justified homicides "worse" HonEur12 Dec 2012 #4
Yeah, you and your billh58 Dec 2012 #5
Self-defence is not vigilantism krispos42 Dec 2012 #7
yeah like that of Trevon Martin dsc Dec 2012 #107
Nope, krispos42 Dec 2012 #8
"The only people that can get concealed-carry permits are people with squeaky-clean records".... -..__... Dec 2012 #11
exactly. some people seem to think that if someone has a gun underoath Dec 2012 #16
Based on what, exactly? n/t PavePusher Dec 2012 #38
Why is it folks in Chicago, like these aldermen, have sane approach to guns while rest of country Hoyt Dec 2012 #6
You mean the alderman who can and do, carry concealed? But say it's not safe for everyone else? X_Digger Dec 2012 #12
Ban them too, if it's really happening. Laws severely restricting carrying guns in public are sane. Hoyt Dec 2012 #19
Good luck getting the aldermen to give up *their* concealed carry. X_Digger Dec 2012 #20
entertaining link JustABozoOnThisBus Dec 2012 #22
Way out is to repeal that 1872 law that many alder-people do not use, cause they don't carry. Hoyt Dec 2012 #24
If Chicago's gun laws are so rational why don't they work? NT Trunk Monkey Dec 2012 #25
Who says they don't work, or that things would be better with a bunch of cowboys toting? Hoyt Dec 2012 #28
400 people were murdered in Chicago this year by gangbangers W/ guns Trunk Monkey Dec 2012 #31
Don't particularly like term "gangbangers", although used a lot by resident gun cultists here. Hoyt Dec 2012 #34
You probably don't like the term "thugs." But that is what they are... Eleanors38 Dec 2012 #54
And those folks would like to see less guns too, not more as you seem to think. Hoyt Dec 2012 #56
You might think that approach is best, but there is a better one: Eleanors38 Dec 2012 #69
Nah, you and NRA misinterpret it. Hoyt Dec 2012 #70
Why this obsession with NRA? Are you a member? Eleanors38 Dec 2012 #71
Because they do the gun culture's bidding, whether one is member or free-rider. Hoyt Dec 2012 #78
So the NRA is following and not leading? Interesting. nt hack89 Dec 2012 #80
Where do you get that, Hack? They are doing what gun manufacturers, republicans, callous Hoyt Dec 2012 #84
Fortunately there are plenty of us enlightened progressive gun owners hack89 Dec 2012 #85
"Progressive" gun owners? I don't think so. Hoyt Dec 2012 #86
That's your privilege- however, your beliefs do not seem to carry much weight. friendly_iconoclast Dec 2012 #88
I support marriage equality, abortion, unions, single payer health care ... hack89 Dec 2012 #89
That's why it is important to change perception of guns in society. Hoyt Dec 2012 #93
We can start by distinguishing between criminals and lawful gun owers hack89 Dec 2012 #95
I wonder how many of those murders... -..__... Dec 2012 #108
The irony is strong in this one Trunk Monkey Dec 2012 #112
"...link...that is not a violation of TOS?" He won't link to GOP-founded, GOP-led Brady Center. nt Eleanors38 Dec 2012 #53
Sooooo....if you think that creating laws that restrict carrying guns in public is the answer....... Budgies Revenge Dec 2012 #97
Nooooooooo, I'm not saying that. But your packing will not help a thing. Hoyt Dec 2012 #99
Really, you're absolutely sure that my packing wouldn't help a single thing? Budgies Revenge Dec 2012 #106
Like the ban Chicago currently has? How's that working out? (nt) Recursion Dec 2012 #101
This alderman support the ruling hack89 Dec 2012 #32
Apparently they haven't read the memo from the Gungeon primavera Dec 2012 #9
I'm sure you can provide a link to that memo right? NT Trunk Monkey Dec 2012 #18
LMAO! primavera Dec 2012 #26
Re: he wasn't willing to produce a citation for his allegation Trunk Monkey Dec 2012 #30
Nope primavera Dec 2012 #33
But what you can't do is provide links to posts where I've made broad brush smears Trunk Monkey Dec 2012 #36
How many links do you want? primavera Dec 2012 #43
There's quite a bit of difference between "guns make us safer" Trunk Monkey Dec 2012 #44
There is? primavera Dec 2012 #46
All you have to do is go to gungeon and read the "celebration of firearms" to know poster is correct Hoyt Dec 2012 #35
Where was this? n/t PavePusher Dec 2012 #39
I'm not sure why a "sarcasm" tag is used if an untruth is still an untruth... Eleanors38 Dec 2012 #55
Certainly primavera Dec 2012 #73
I don't get this logic. The guys that are doing the killing NOW don't have concealed carry permits.. truebrit71 Dec 2012 #10
remember- the sc will have to get past rahm. mopinko Dec 2012 #13
You mean the guy that has to keep writing checks to the opposing legal teams? PavePusher Dec 2012 #40
I trust that you have a citation for that allegation? primavera Dec 2012 #77
That one's public knowledge. PavePusher Dec 2012 #83
Here you go- note the signature friendly_iconoclast Dec 2012 #90
Chicago is clearly not afraid that King George is coming back. onehandle Dec 2012 #14
Really? What about self defense? alp227 Dec 2012 #82
Reread The Article DallasNE Dec 2012 #15
Umm, the law was struck down, but nothing changed regarding legal gun ownership. Eleanors38 Dec 2012 #57
"Then we'll take that up to the Supreme Court". -..__... Dec 2012 #21
I doubt that the SCOTUS would accept that the city has standing to contest... slackmaster Dec 2012 #23
You don't want a ruling from this court primavera Dec 2012 #27
Surely you can cite to this "200 years of legal precedent", amIright? n/t PavePusher Dec 2012 #41
God, you guys are predictable! - n/t primavera Dec 2012 #42
IOW "no" ? NT Trunk Monkey Dec 2012 #45
See post 75 - n/t primavera Dec 2012 #76
Yes, we are. We like arguments that feature something called 'evidence'. friendly_iconoclast Dec 2012 #66
Odd thing to say primavera Dec 2012 #72
Really? Here's a post I made today with that very thing, by way of an item known as a 'link': friendly_iconoclast Dec 2012 #87
"Imposed Heller on us"? -..__... Dec 2012 #48
No question about that primavera Dec 2012 #49
Let me ask you a question.. X_Digger Dec 2012 #58
Yes, I have a Westlaw account too primavera Dec 2012 #75
All predicated on Miller which talks about the *weapon*, not the scope of the right. X_Digger Dec 2012 #81
Why would anyone do that. If it's that complicated, there's plenty of room for a more astute Court Hoyt Dec 2012 #91
It's "complicated" only in that there's a wide and deep variety of cases.. X_Digger Dec 2012 #94
Times have changed too. Hoyt Dec 2012 #96
So repeal the second amendment, then repeal all the state analogs, then the ninth.. X_Digger Dec 2012 #98
Nah, it's easier to do through courts and as rational restrictions. Hoyt Dec 2012 #100
Good luck with that. *pat* *pat* *pat* n/t X_Digger Dec 2012 #102
So... they're batting .333 -..__... Dec 2012 #104
This addresses Gang problems How? One_Life_To_Give Dec 2012 #29
I agree with your social outlook, and I wish the Democratic Party would once AGAIN... Eleanors38 Dec 2012 #63
Dodge City, 1878: struggle4progress Dec 2012 #50
You should stop using progressive to describe your upaloopa Dec 2012 #51
Actually, "progressive" (as well as "liberal") are apt terms to support strong 2A rights... Eleanors38 Dec 2012 #61
You need to start you posts with upaloopa Dec 2012 #65
Well, if you need paint-by-numbers, then just assume that. In your case. nt Eleanors38 Dec 2012 #68
Good - Democracy in action from the leaders of a proud Blue city. Little wonder that our apocalypsehow Dec 2012 #60
Angry? Chicago's unconstitutional law is going down. The last regressive gun-law state. Eleanors38 Dec 2012 #62
Let us know when you become a mod or host, mmmkay? friendly_iconoclast Dec 2012 #67
Gun Violence fightthegoodfightnow Dec 2012 #74
"want to put restrictions on guns"? They've *had* restrictions for decades Recursion Dec 2012 #103
Hope they have their checkbook handy hack89 Dec 2012 #79
Gunssssss! bongbong Dec 2012 #92
LMAO. Hoyt Dec 2012 #105
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