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3. Which is why we locked him in a walk-in closet...

Reply to struggle4progress (Original post)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 01:02 PM

Dec 2012

-- for 23 hours and 40 minutes a day

-- with a bright light on overhead at all times

-- naked and without covers

-- with orders to sit upright on the edge of the bed without touching walls or anything around him for hours at a time

-- and with interruptions to wake him up after allowing short periods of sleep.

Also, the 20 minutes "outside" in a concrete yard are in shackles.

Because that's how you treat the depressed: Make sure they want to kill themselves! Employ the classic techniques of sensory deprivation and mental destruction for breaking prisoners down into zombie states! Partly as developed by the CIA and famously seen in its rendition prisons!

Any further apologetics for torture today? I don't think you've done your daily Kill Assange thread yet.

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Brig guard: Manning’s depression history made him a suicide risk at Quantico [View all] struggle4progress Dec 2012 OP

The fact that he may have been at risk for suicide does..... NCTraveler Dec 2012 #1

The question is, was there a protocol and was it followed. MH1 Dec 2012 #7

Agree on all points. nt. NCTraveler Dec 2012 #9

Manning's psychiatrists repeatedly advised taking Manning off 24 hour watch Luminous Animal Dec 2012 #15

How do you feel about Michael A. Webb's suicide at Quantico? struggle4progress Dec 2012 #16

That is why I mentioned psychiatrists (plural)... Luminous Animal Dec 2012 #20

Yes, knowing he had a problem, he should have been treated for that. He was neglected. freshwest Dec 2012 #22

So, depression is to be treated by severely limiting the patient's JDPriestly Dec 2012 #2

Papakie's job was not to treat Manning's depression but to maintain struggle4progress Dec 2012 #10

Doing one's job, following orders.....cruelty is cruelty. Magoo48 Dec 2012 #18

Given that the military traditionally teaches one to kill enemies before struggle4progress Dec 2012 #19

This is what Manning's disclosures were about -- the excessive cruelty in the military. JDPriestly Dec 2012 #23

We're not killing machines, but thanks for the smear. PavePusher Dec 2012 #29

I doubt I ever called you, or anyone else, a killing machine struggle4progress Dec 2012 #30

Breaking down a prisoner, and empathy DoYouKnow Dec 2012 #39

I hope they free Manning! Welcome to DU and enjoy the site. hrmjustin Dec 2012 #40

Thanks. I don't know how it feels, but I believe what you say is most likely true. JDPriestly Dec 2012 #43

Which is why we locked him in a walk-in closet... JackRiddler Dec 2012 #3

I have never advocated killing Assange, so it's really dishonest of you struggle4progress Dec 2012 #6

No, you just advocate driving him to want to kill himself. n/t backscatter712 Dec 2012 #11

I guess ideological commitments can indeed affect reading comprehension struggle4progress Dec 2012 #14

Yep . . . GatorLarry Dec 2012 #27

But if he were to be killed... JackRiddler Dec 2012 #12

Fantasy premonitions of a hallucinated future are useless for reality-based discussion struggle4progress Dec 2012 #13

If this witness did not go to medical school, his opinion is as worthless as all other untrained AnotherMcIntosh Dec 2012 #4

If he didn't go to medical school, then he wouldn't be fit to offer a medical struggle4progress Dec 2012 #5

In a normal civil court, only experts are allowed to give their personal opinions and judgments. JDPriestly Dec 2012 #24

Without seeing the transcript, I can't know for certain why they've been called, struggle4progress Dec 2012 #28

It might be just to get a better understanding and corroboration of what happened. JDPriestly Dec 2012 #31

This is pretrial hearing, not investigation. At this stage, prosecution and defense are struggle4progress Dec 2012 #44

Why is this evidence being introduced if it is just pretrial? JDPriestly Dec 2012 #45

On the alleged grounds of punitive treatment in custody, defense has moved either: struggle4progress Dec 2012 #48

Thanks. JDPriestly Dec 2012 #57

If a doctor gave this opinion with full knowledge of Manning's treatment... JackRiddler Dec 2012 #8

What the U.S. government has done to Bradley Manning is disgraceful and criminal! Peace Patriot Dec 2012 #17

Well said. Thanks. JDPriestly Dec 2012 #32

If they had to hold Manning in custody, they SHOULD have just put him on house arrest. Ken Burch Dec 2012 #21

House Arrest? Where? nt msanthrope Dec 2012 #33

His parent's house would have worked. Ken Burch Dec 2012 #34

House arrest like William Calley got? House arrest in the military is to your quarters, not to msanthrope Dec 2012 #38

Was not aware of his family situation. Ken Burch Dec 2012 #41

Calley makes for an apt reference. Seeing as how Manning exposed... JackRiddler Dec 2012 #54

Name a single serviceperson Manning 'exposed' who you think compares to William Calley. nt msanthrope Dec 2012 #55

Did they identify the Apache helicopter crew JackRiddler Dec 2012 #56

I think that's sort of the point. Nothing happened. randome Dec 2012 #58

That would have been a most unusual response to a soldier who, assigned to security intelligence struggle4progress Dec 2012 #37

Would such testimony . . . markpkessinger Dec 2012 #25

Manning's treatment is TOTALLY JUSTIFIED MannyGoldstein Dec 2012 #26

Of course, if Manning had killed himself, his backers would now be accusing the gov of murdering him Azathoth Dec 2012 #35

Riiiight -- and making him stand naked in front of his cell every morning . . . markpkessinger Dec 2012 #42

Manning was not forced to "stand naked in front of his cell every morning" struggle4progress Dec 2012 #49

Except that story is 99% fabricated, almost like a left-wing version of a Faux News "exclusive" Azathoth Dec 2012 #51

Shame on you for these lies. JackRiddler Dec 2012 #53

Correctly, since the program to which the govt subjected him... JackRiddler Dec 2012 #46

Yes, it was suicide encouragement, except that it prevented him from committing suicide Azathoth Dec 2012 #50

It was torture and your government was responsible. JackRiddler Dec 2012 #52

Well, then, that certainly justifies torturing him, for sure! Zorra Dec 2012 #36

Quantico 'made him worse, more depressed. They are lucky he didn't bash his bare head into concrete Sunlei Dec 2012 #47