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Bradley Manning didn't complain about mistreatment, prosecutors contend [View all] struggle4progress Dec 2012 OP

Probably a very wise move at the time. bluesbassman Dec 2012 #1

Why did everyone caring for Manning become so sadistic? PerceptionManagement Dec 2012 #13

He's been treated pretty fairly for someone who handed over hundreds of thousands of documents... randome Dec 2012 #14

Oh, ok. Who determines how sadistic prison guards get to be? How much torture is ok? PerceptionManagement Dec 2012 #25

What is the specific claim of torture? nt msanthrope Dec 2012 #26

Bradley Manning's treatment was cruel and inhuman, UN torture chief rules PerceptionManagement Dec 2012 #89

Msanthrope is a she. Juan Mendez has an interesting opinion, but since he chose not to interview msanthrope Dec 2012 #94

Now wait a minute Mangoman Dec 2012 #96

Mendez sees a clear distinction, also. randome Dec 2012 #97

No one's laughing at Manning. randome Dec 2012 #27

wow-- why we don't we just hang him then? NoMoreWarNow Dec 2012 #31

There is currently no evidence that he's been mistreated. randome Dec 2012 #34

Agreed itsrobert Dec 2012 #41

Manning's attorney did claim he was mistreated. morningfog Dec 2012 #58

Isolation IS mistreatment, whether he complains or not. alarimer Dec 2012 #91

Evil deeds are sometimes done in the name of America. No doubt about it. randome Dec 2012 #98

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I would have done the same thing Manning did, JDPriestly Dec 2012 #3

We're getting close to the point where some real evidence will be required, such as struggle4progress Dec 2012 #6

The United Nations reviewed his situation and deemed it JDPriestly Dec 2012 #22

Please provide specific quotes from actual UN documents to support your claim struggle4progress Dec 2012 #23

24 hour sleep deprivation gets a lot closer to torture than the suicide smock. morningfog Dec 2012 #59

When was he deprived of sleep for 24 hours? nt msanthrope Dec 2012 #63

According to the testimony from the stand: morningfog Dec 2012 #66

Okay--that's not testimony. That's someone, who is not Mr. Manning's attorney, describing msanthrope Dec 2012 #73

Yes indeed. What a disgusting argument for the govt to make. NoMoreWarNow Dec 2012 #32

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They omitted the word "dare" AgingAmerican Dec 2012 #4

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The point is that there is no record of Manning complaining of maltreatment to anyone, even struggle4progress Dec 2012 #7

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If you can provide any real evidence Manning was waterboarded, I'll start working for his release struggle4progress Dec 2012 #15

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Bottom line: there's no evidence whatsoever that Manning has been tortured in custody struggle4progress Dec 2012 #19

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Facts about the world are not established by dictionary definitions, nor is implicit name-calling struggle4progress Dec 2012 #21

are you claiming he wasn't held in harsh solitary conditions? NoMoreWarNow Dec 2012 #33

The Quantico Brig is single cell, maximum security only. msanthrope Dec 2012 #37

In the interest of full disclosure, do you hold stock in Orville Redenbacher? freshwest Dec 2012 #8

If you are getting mugged in a parking lot.. sendero Dec 2012 #9

He's had visits from family, friends, and lawyers struggle4progress Dec 2012 #16

Has Manning, or anyone else, testified that Manning has been assaulted? struggle4progress Dec 2012 #17

You Missed This:Manning Testifies About His Torture; Was it Aimed at Turning Him on Assange? KoKo Dec 2012 #42

Ratner is sloppy with the facts, as usual. First, there was no uniform agreement that Manning struggle4progress Dec 2012 #46

Again--what, precisely, is Mr. Manning's attorney claiming is 'torture?' Name the act. nt msanthrope Dec 2012 #49

What I've seen so far of this... randome Dec 2012 #50

BTW, there do not seem to be any assault claims documented there struggle4progress Dec 2012 #53

Not all torture is by physical assault. As an attorney you should know that. KoKo Dec 2012 #69

I am not an attorney. Nor have I ever claimed to be one, either on DU or elsewhere. struggle4progress Dec 2012 #70

You and msanthrope look so much alike, it's easy to get you confused. randome Dec 2012 #74

Indeed. nt msanthrope Dec 2012 #84

I'm not qualified as parent material. If I were, Bradley would be my saidsimplesimon Dec 2012 #11

Your agenda is showing! blackspade Dec 2012 #12

Then why didn't he complain to his father, lawyer, doctor, etc??? msanthrope Dec 2012 #24

Maybe because he was always monitored? blackspade Dec 2012 #29

His visits with his lawyer were not monitored. Again, what specifically was 'torture?' nt msanthrope Dec 2012 #30

And how do you know that? We are servailed all the time without our knowledge. blackspade Dec 2012 #35

Because I am a criminal defense attorney, and I know the law. Attorney-client privilege msanthrope Dec 2012 #36

The "You Tube" is interview with Michael Rattner who is Assange's defense attorney, who was in KoKo Dec 2012 #43

Again--what, precisely, is Mr. Manning's attorney claiming is 'torture?' Name the act. msanthrope Dec 2012 #45

As a criminal defense attorney I would expect you to do your own homework. blackspade Dec 2012 #56

You made the claims, back 'em up. Show us all where Manning is claiming 'torture.' nt msanthrope Dec 2012 #60

I did, but you don't care to watch. blackspade Dec 2012 #81

Michael Rattner is not Mr. Manning's attorney. Name the act that Manning's attorney is alleging is msanthrope Dec 2012 #82

I guess you didn't actually read my last post. blackspade Dec 2012 #85

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Yes. Unfortunately, it is the 6th amendment that guarantees the right to unmonitored attorney msanthrope Dec 2012 #79

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Yes. You made that claim. I was speaking of unmonitored attorney's visits, and you brought msanthrope Dec 2012 #87

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Well, when I watch my Owls play LaSalle in February, I'll be sure to wave to the law msanthrope Dec 2012 #92

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The term judicial "gloss" was used to deny the civil rights of gay people--and I've never heard the msanthrope Dec 2012 #99

This message was self-deleted by its author AnotherMcIntosh Dec 2012 #101

Okay--you don't have to believe that I am an attorney. msanthrope Dec 2012 #102

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Like I said--you can settle this, and let the board know if you were right or wrong, rather than msanthrope Dec 2012 #104

How can you continue this with your pants on fire? randome Dec 2012 #105

I know!!! If only there were some way to prove I was lying!!! Oh, wait!! msanthrope Dec 2012 #106

Who's agenda? Renew Deal Dec 2012 #52

If you follow his posts then you would know. blackspade Dec 2012 #57

Manning is a self admitted liar. railsback Dec 2012 #28

He was doubtless enjoying the torture. JackRiddler Dec 2012 #38

What specific act are you claiming is 'torture?' nt msanthrope Dec 2012 #39

The answer is all over this thread... JackRiddler Dec 2012 #40

No--it's not. Name the act that Mr. Manning's attorney is claiming is 'torture.' nt msanthrope Dec 2012 #47

Watch the interview with Michael Rattner, posted twice here on this thead.. n/t KoKo Dec 2012 #44

Michael Rattner is not Mr. Manning's attorney. Name the act that Manning's attorney is alleging is msanthrope Dec 2012 #48

You'd have to watch the video or read the transcrip that's linked at the site. KoKo Dec 2012 #51

Again--what, precisely, is Mr. Manning's attorney claiming is 'torture?' You seem confused--- msanthrope Dec 2012 #54

Manning's attorney does not refer to his treatment as torture, morningfog Dec 2012 #55

Yes--I've written about the defense's use of the Article 13... msanthrope Dec 2012 #61

What evidence might that be? randome Dec 2012 #62

The closest is the claims of 24-hour sleep deprivation, in my opinion. morningfog Dec 2012 #64

I don't know how this can be proved. Not that it has to be, if there is cause to think it occurred. randome Dec 2012 #67

His attorney claims no such thing-- msanthrope Dec 2012 #75

Well, that sounds pretty clear. randome Dec 2012 #76

When was he deprived of sleep for 24 hours? nt msanthrope Dec 2012 #68

See upthread: morningfog Dec 2012 #72

And see upthread where I reply with his attorney's writing---there's no claim of sleep msanthrope Dec 2012 #80

There are no claims of 24-hour sleep deprivation, according to his attorney. msanthrope Dec 2012 #83

I don't think anything of the sort. morningfog Dec 2012 #95

I think Rattner has an agenda--as Assange's attorney, it is to his benefit to overstate. msanthrope Dec 2012 #100

This message was self-deleted by its author AnotherMcIntosh Dec 2012 #65

Ah, finally a real WITNESS! railsback Dec 2012 #90