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6. We're getting close to the point where some real evidence will be required, such as

Sat Dec 1, 2012, 04:58 PM

Dec 2012

medical evidence of maltreatment

But that doesn't seem to be in the pipeline, perhaps because Manning was never actually maltreated

Most of the accusations we've heard to date seem related to official acts taken to prevent possible suicide attempts, such as: the authorities took away his clothes and gave him a non-shreddable smock

It seems the authorities actually had some cause to worry about a Manning suicide attempt, given this week's pretrial hearing testimony

In any case, to call such acts "torture" shows, I think, a real disrespect and disregard for those persons who have actually suffered torture

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Bradley Manning didn't complain about mistreatment, prosecutors contend [View all] struggle4progress Dec 2012 OP

Probably a very wise move at the time. bluesbassman Dec 2012 #1

Why did everyone caring for Manning become so sadistic? PerceptionManagement Dec 2012 #13

He's been treated pretty fairly for someone who handed over hundreds of thousands of documents... randome Dec 2012 #14

Oh, ok. Who determines how sadistic prison guards get to be? How much torture is ok? PerceptionManagement Dec 2012 #25

What is the specific claim of torture? nt msanthrope Dec 2012 #26

Bradley Manning's treatment was cruel and inhuman, UN torture chief rules PerceptionManagement Dec 2012 #89

Msanthrope is a she. Juan Mendez has an interesting opinion, but since he chose not to interview msanthrope Dec 2012 #94

Now wait a minute Mangoman Dec 2012 #96

Mendez sees a clear distinction, also. randome Dec 2012 #97

No one's laughing at Manning. randome Dec 2012 #27

wow-- why we don't we just hang him then? NoMoreWarNow Dec 2012 #31

There is currently no evidence that he's been mistreated. randome Dec 2012 #34

Agreed itsrobert Dec 2012 #41

Manning's attorney did claim he was mistreated. morningfog Dec 2012 #58

Isolation IS mistreatment, whether he complains or not. alarimer Dec 2012 #91

Evil deeds are sometimes done in the name of America. No doubt about it. randome Dec 2012 #98

This message was self-deleted by its author AnotherMcIntosh Dec 2012 #77

This message was self-deleted by its author R. Daneel Olivaw Dec 2012 #2

I would have done the same thing Manning did, JDPriestly Dec 2012 #3

We're getting close to the point where some real evidence will be required, such as struggle4progress Dec 2012 #6

The United Nations reviewed his situation and deemed it JDPriestly Dec 2012 #22

Please provide specific quotes from actual UN documents to support your claim struggle4progress Dec 2012 #23

24 hour sleep deprivation gets a lot closer to torture than the suicide smock. morningfog Dec 2012 #59

When was he deprived of sleep for 24 hours? nt msanthrope Dec 2012 #63

According to the testimony from the stand: morningfog Dec 2012 #66

Okay--that's not testimony. That's someone, who is not Mr. Manning's attorney, describing msanthrope Dec 2012 #73

Yes indeed. What a disgusting argument for the govt to make. NoMoreWarNow Dec 2012 #32

This message was self-deleted by its author AnotherMcIntosh Dec 2012 #78

They omitted the word "dare" AgingAmerican Dec 2012 #4

This message was self-deleted by its author AnotherMcIntosh Dec 2012 #5

The point is that there is no record of Manning complaining of maltreatment to anyone, even struggle4progress Dec 2012 #7

This message was self-deleted by its author AnotherMcIntosh Dec 2012 #10

If you can provide any real evidence Manning was waterboarded, I'll start working for his release struggle4progress Dec 2012 #15

This message was self-deleted by its author AnotherMcIntosh Dec 2012 #18

Bottom line: there's no evidence whatsoever that Manning has been tortured in custody struggle4progress Dec 2012 #19

This message was self-deleted by its author AnotherMcIntosh Dec 2012 #20

Facts about the world are not established by dictionary definitions, nor is implicit name-calling struggle4progress Dec 2012 #21

are you claiming he wasn't held in harsh solitary conditions? NoMoreWarNow Dec 2012 #33

The Quantico Brig is single cell, maximum security only. msanthrope Dec 2012 #37

In the interest of full disclosure, do you hold stock in Orville Redenbacher? freshwest Dec 2012 #8

If you are getting mugged in a parking lot.. sendero Dec 2012 #9

He's had visits from family, friends, and lawyers struggle4progress Dec 2012 #16

Has Manning, or anyone else, testified that Manning has been assaulted? struggle4progress Dec 2012 #17

You Missed This:Manning Testifies About His Torture; Was it Aimed at Turning Him on Assange? KoKo Dec 2012 #42

Ratner is sloppy with the facts, as usual. First, there was no uniform agreement that Manning struggle4progress Dec 2012 #46

Again--what, precisely, is Mr. Manning's attorney claiming is 'torture?' Name the act. nt msanthrope Dec 2012 #49

What I've seen so far of this... randome Dec 2012 #50

BTW, there do not seem to be any assault claims documented there struggle4progress Dec 2012 #53

Not all torture is by physical assault. As an attorney you should know that. KoKo Dec 2012 #69

I am not an attorney. Nor have I ever claimed to be one, either on DU or elsewhere. struggle4progress Dec 2012 #70

You and msanthrope look so much alike, it's easy to get you confused. randome Dec 2012 #74

Indeed. nt msanthrope Dec 2012 #84

I'm not qualified as parent material. If I were, Bradley would be my saidsimplesimon Dec 2012 #11

Your agenda is showing! blackspade Dec 2012 #12

Then why didn't he complain to his father, lawyer, doctor, etc??? msanthrope Dec 2012 #24

Maybe because he was always monitored? blackspade Dec 2012 #29

His visits with his lawyer were not monitored. Again, what specifically was 'torture?' nt msanthrope Dec 2012 #30

And how do you know that? We are servailed all the time without our knowledge. blackspade Dec 2012 #35

Because I am a criminal defense attorney, and I know the law. Attorney-client privilege msanthrope Dec 2012 #36

The "You Tube" is interview with Michael Rattner who is Assange's defense attorney, who was in KoKo Dec 2012 #43

Again--what, precisely, is Mr. Manning's attorney claiming is 'torture?' Name the act. msanthrope Dec 2012 #45

As a criminal defense attorney I would expect you to do your own homework. blackspade Dec 2012 #56

You made the claims, back 'em up. Show us all where Manning is claiming 'torture.' nt msanthrope Dec 2012 #60

I did, but you don't care to watch. blackspade Dec 2012 #81

Michael Rattner is not Mr. Manning's attorney. Name the act that Manning's attorney is alleging is msanthrope Dec 2012 #82

I guess you didn't actually read my last post. blackspade Dec 2012 #85

This message was self-deleted by its author AnotherMcIntosh Dec 2012 #71

Yes. Unfortunately, it is the 6th amendment that guarantees the right to unmonitored attorney msanthrope Dec 2012 #79

This message was self-deleted by its author AnotherMcIntosh Dec 2012 #86

Yes. You made that claim. I was speaking of unmonitored attorney's visits, and you brought msanthrope Dec 2012 #87

This message was self-deleted by its author AnotherMcIntosh Dec 2012 #88

Well, when I watch my Owls play LaSalle in February, I'll be sure to wave to the law msanthrope Dec 2012 #92

This message was self-deleted by its author AnotherMcIntosh Dec 2012 #93

The term judicial "gloss" was used to deny the civil rights of gay people--and I've never heard the msanthrope Dec 2012 #99

This message was self-deleted by its author AnotherMcIntosh Dec 2012 #101

Okay--you don't have to believe that I am an attorney. msanthrope Dec 2012 #102

This message was self-deleted by its author AnotherMcIntosh Dec 2012 #103

Like I said--you can settle this, and let the board know if you were right or wrong, rather than msanthrope Dec 2012 #104

How can you continue this with your pants on fire? randome Dec 2012 #105

I know!!! If only there were some way to prove I was lying!!! Oh, wait!! msanthrope Dec 2012 #106

Who's agenda? Renew Deal Dec 2012 #52

If you follow his posts then you would know. blackspade Dec 2012 #57

Manning is a self admitted liar. railsback Dec 2012 #28

He was doubtless enjoying the torture. JackRiddler Dec 2012 #38

What specific act are you claiming is 'torture?' nt msanthrope Dec 2012 #39

The answer is all over this thread... JackRiddler Dec 2012 #40

No--it's not. Name the act that Mr. Manning's attorney is claiming is 'torture.' nt msanthrope Dec 2012 #47

Watch the interview with Michael Rattner, posted twice here on this thead.. n/t KoKo Dec 2012 #44

Michael Rattner is not Mr. Manning's attorney. Name the act that Manning's attorney is alleging is msanthrope Dec 2012 #48

You'd have to watch the video or read the transcrip that's linked at the site. KoKo Dec 2012 #51

Again--what, precisely, is Mr. Manning's attorney claiming is 'torture?' You seem confused--- msanthrope Dec 2012 #54

Manning's attorney does not refer to his treatment as torture, morningfog Dec 2012 #55

Yes--I've written about the defense's use of the Article 13... msanthrope Dec 2012 #61

What evidence might that be? randome Dec 2012 #62

The closest is the claims of 24-hour sleep deprivation, in my opinion. morningfog Dec 2012 #64

I don't know how this can be proved. Not that it has to be, if there is cause to think it occurred. randome Dec 2012 #67

His attorney claims no such thing-- msanthrope Dec 2012 #75

Well, that sounds pretty clear. randome Dec 2012 #76

When was he deprived of sleep for 24 hours? nt msanthrope Dec 2012 #68

See upthread: morningfog Dec 2012 #72

And see upthread where I reply with his attorney's writing---there's no claim of sleep msanthrope Dec 2012 #80

There are no claims of 24-hour sleep deprivation, according to his attorney. msanthrope Dec 2012 #83

I don't think anything of the sort. morningfog Dec 2012 #95

I think Rattner has an agenda--as Assange's attorney, it is to his benefit to overstate. msanthrope Dec 2012 #100

This message was self-deleted by its author AnotherMcIntosh Dec 2012 #65

Ah, finally a real WITNESS! railsback Dec 2012 #90