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In reply to the discussion: Antarctica, Greenland ice definitely melting into sea, and speeding up, experts warn [View all]caseymoz
(5,763 posts)26. Why would you presume human beings would be truthful?
What in human evolutionary history has required us to tell the complete and total truth to each other, or even ourselves. Our conscious minds operate under deception of our unconscious minds.
You look at any conflict in human history and it's usually over some bullshit that mattered to the psychology of the people of the time, but is actually just a contrivance that doesn't make any sense to us now. I mean, take the example of World War I. Countries lined up with each other in random alliances and started to beat the shit out of one another, and then developed the ideological justification retroactively. Look at the Thirty-years war. Was it really truthful that God favored Catholicism and considered the Protestants heretics, or vice versa? Apparently not.
But despite the religion, or the ideology or any of the other bullshit, the wars actually were always over a more basic problem: who would be in charge of the resources? It's strange how every ideology, every religion, every justification came down to that question. And the victors always took charge of the resources. Including in World War II. It's strange how consistent that pattern is. It was as though our unconscious minds pushed our conscious ones into conflict with some lame excuse when there was some question to be settled over resources.
And that's what happened with Global Warming. People treated it with the same kind of illusions that they did in any of our political conflicts. They tried to say the liberals were actually trying to enact socialism.
The problem is the bullshit wasn't bullshit this time. This wasn't like an argument over the Transubstantiation of the Eucharistic Host, and it had major worldwide consequences, probably for the very survival of the human species.
Our minds weren't adapted to handle such a problem on a huge scale. Our social systems, most particularly nation-states, weren't formed to deal with this kind of immense problem. They were set up to determine and perhaps lessen conflict between human beings for resources.
The reason why we're going to suffer dearly due to Global Warming? Things got real.
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Antarctica, Greenland ice definitely melting into sea, and speeding up, experts warn [View all]
steve2470
Nov 2012
OP
"Why *practice agriculture*, when there are so many mongongo nuts in the world?"
NoOneMan
Nov 2012
#25
The problem is there just was never a universal transition "from foraging to farming"
NoOneMan
Dec 2012
#34
They'll just blame Jimmy Carter, the Mexicans and Blacks - like they did with the banking scandals.
Hassin Bin Sober
Nov 2012
#30
When Rush's $20-million 1% Republican mansion floods, he may consider telling truth. For a Change.
Berlum
Nov 2012
#7
The last time the polar ice all melted, sea level was about 40 feet below my property line
slackmaster
Nov 2012
#9