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caseymoz

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26. Why would you presume human beings would be truthful?
Fri Nov 30, 2012, 06:58 PM
Nov 2012

What in human evolutionary history has required us to tell the complete and total truth to each other, or even ourselves. Our conscious minds operate under deception of our unconscious minds.

You look at any conflict in human history and it's usually over some bullshit that mattered to the psychology of the people of the time, but is actually just a contrivance that doesn't make any sense to us now. I mean, take the example of World War I. Countries lined up with each other in random alliances and started to beat the shit out of one another, and then developed the ideological justification retroactively. Look at the Thirty-years war. Was it really truthful that God favored Catholicism and considered the Protestants heretics, or vice versa? Apparently not.

But despite the religion, or the ideology or any of the other bullshit, the wars actually were always over a more basic problem: who would be in charge of the resources? It's strange how every ideology, every religion, every justification came down to that question. And the victors always took charge of the resources. Including in World War II. It's strange how consistent that pattern is. It was as though our unconscious minds pushed our conscious ones into conflict with some lame excuse when there was some question to be settled over resources.

And that's what happened with Global Warming. People treated it with the same kind of illusions that they did in any of our political conflicts. They tried to say the liberals were actually trying to enact socialism.

The problem is the bullshit wasn't bullshit this time. This wasn't like an argument over the Transubstantiation of the Eucharistic Host, and it had major worldwide consequences, probably for the very survival of the human species.

Our minds weren't adapted to handle such a problem on a huge scale. Our social systems, most particularly nation-states, weren't formed to deal with this kind of immense problem. They were set up to determine and perhaps lessen conflict between human beings for resources.

The reason why we're going to suffer dearly due to Global Warming? Things got real.
Republicans Urgently Gear Up Climate Change Lie Wurlitzer Berlum Nov 2012 #1
Probably Too Late modrepub Nov 2012 #2
Conservatives put themselves on the wrong side of this issue. caseymoz Nov 2012 #3
As usual. Berlum Nov 2012 #4
For most it wasn't a lie caseymoz Nov 2012 #8
Republican "leaders" have been lying about this for years and years Berlum Nov 2012 #10
Why would you presume human beings would be truthful? caseymoz Nov 2012 #26
As we stare extinction in the eye, again, its twisted into a political game NoOneMan Nov 2012 #14
How is the extinction going to happen again? pediatricmedic Nov 2012 #22
Its already happening NoOneMan Nov 2012 #23
This message was self-deleted by its author olddad56 Dec 2012 #38
Actually, looking at the basic biology caseymoz Nov 2012 #24
"Why *practice agriculture*, when there are so many mongongo nuts in the world?" NoOneMan Nov 2012 #25
Current conditions say nothing about the past. caseymoz Nov 2012 #31
Do you have evidence to substantiate this theory? NoOneMan Nov 2012 #32
High mortality rates? caseymoz Nov 2012 #33
The problem is there just was never a universal transition "from foraging to farming" NoOneMan Dec 2012 #34
No animal makes a sweeping change like that without necessity. caseymoz Dec 2012 #36
You're just making shit up now NoOneMan Dec 2012 #39
They'll just blame Jimmy Carter, the Mexicans and Blacks - like they did with the banking scandals. Hassin Bin Sober Nov 2012 #30
If all the ice melts, where will the high water mark be? Coyotl Nov 2012 #5
When Rush's $20-million 1% Republican mansion floods, he may consider telling truth. For a Change. Berlum Nov 2012 #7
The last time the polar ice all melted, sea level was about 40 feet below my property line slackmaster Nov 2012 #9
Really? Delphinus Nov 2012 #17
It was a small factor, but I did check the topographic map just to be sure slackmaster Nov 2012 #19
Chance favors the prepared. : ) nt rDigital Nov 2012 #27
I would be just a short drive to the beach. Ash_F Nov 2012 #12
Where will all the food be? NoOneMan Nov 2012 #15
That first link is cool csziggy Nov 2012 #16
Paleoamericans lived in a Florida twice the size it is today. Coyotl Nov 2012 #6
The West Antarctic Ice Sheet, coming soon to a seashore near you. bemildred Nov 2012 #11
Big changes apparent in the comment thread at nbc pscot Nov 2012 #13
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Nov 2012 #18
my pleasure Uncle Joe nt steve2470 Nov 2012 #20
Climate Refugees and Chasing Ice--Two MUST SEE Documentaries! triplepoint Nov 2012 #21
Ditto on "Chasing Ice" nt kelliekat44 Nov 2012 #28
I want to see the entire film. Coyotl Dec 2012 #35
Weathergirl goes rogue Coyotl Dec 2012 #37
That was good. Uncle Joe Dec 2012 #40
K&R nt rDigital Nov 2012 #29
America could have been the force to lead the world in controlling this. Kablooie Dec 2012 #41
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