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jody

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54. Never said there was one but under US labor law, a private sector union can expel a

Thu Nov 29, 2012, 10:01 PM

Nov 2012

member from the union for any number of reasons.

Presumably that would limit that former union member from seeking new employment.

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In Drive to Unionize, Fast-Food Workers Walk Off the Job [View all] Omaha Steve Nov 2012 OP

Woo Hoo! Dont call me Shirley Nov 2012 #1

There is power in a union. Deep13 Nov 2012 #2

Meanwhile.......In San Francisco thelordofhell Nov 2012 #3

No thanks. I'd prefer mine prepared by a human being. marmar Nov 2012 #5

This message was self-deleted by its author patrice Nov 2012 #11

Thanks for the link! This looks very cool! architect359 Nov 2012 #47

Interesting humbled_opinion Nov 2012 #51

In urbanized China all sorts of food and drink is in vending machines siligut Nov 2012 #53

I wish we had these in America........... thelordofhell Nov 2012 #64

This message was self-deleted by its author thelordofhell Nov 2012 #66

We used to have that here. geardaddy Nov 2012 #105

Love it. marmar Nov 2012 #4

This is something donnasgirl Nov 2012 #6

Sign me up. nt patrice Nov 2012 #10

Turnover in fast food is about every six months. With a union contract, will employees be required jody Nov 2012 #7

Maybe people would CHOOSE to stay longer if they were paid a living wage indexed to the cost patrice Nov 2012 #9

Didn't Obama promise to increase the humbled_opinion Nov 2012 #52

Filibuster in the Senate Omaha Steve Nov 2012 #62

He's the Executive branch; how could he "promise" to do that? Please provide a link to what you're patrice Nov 2012 #81

Exec Branch doesn't write legislation. There's a small matter of over 500 other people who would patrice Nov 2012 #82

Precisely. Great post. nt Union Scribe Nov 2012 #78

you're saying that Union members are indentured servants? yikes, that's bad, even for you CreekDog Nov 2012 #12

Many of these companies have that turnover because they want it for the repeated tax incentives. nt Mnemosyne Nov 2012 #13

What an evil thought. They lay them off and then hire others for the tax incentives? freshwest Nov 2012 #83

Usually they cut hours so much the people quit, but yes it is a common practice. nt Mnemosyne Nov 2012 #91

No wonder some see big business as crooks. Bet they squeal about taxes while taking tax money! freshwest Nov 2012 #93

A friend was manager at McD, she quit out of disgust. Happens more than we know, I'm sure. And now Mnemosyne Nov 2012 #94

Maybe if they collectively bargain a decent contract.... Teamster Jeff Nov 2012 #14

Do you support that "decent contract" including a penalty for quitting before some agreed upon time? jody Nov 2012 #15

Why are you asking this? If you are suggesting that unions do this senseandsensibility Nov 2012 #16

Turnover is about six months. An intelligent person sees that a business will enter into a union jody Nov 2012 #23

I have never seen any union contract... ElboRuum Nov 2012 #36

Never said there was one but under US labor law, a private sector union can expel a jody Nov 2012 #54

But that is not the union's purpose. ElboRuum Nov 2012 #72

The way to improve a turnover rate is to provide a desirable workplace with good compensation Gormy Cuss Nov 2012 #75

you're just trying to undermine unions by lying about them CreekDog Nov 2012 #18

Lol...No Teamster Jeff Nov 2012 #19

Jody's trying to say that if McDonalds went union, people would have to pay to quit working there CreekDog Nov 2012 #21

OK but 6 month turnover clearly adds costs to fast food places. What can a union do to guarantee it jody Nov 2012 #24

Ummmmmmmmmm Dyedinthewoolliberal Nov 2012 #26

Agree "more pay and better benefits" but what language in the contract will guarantee turnover will jody Nov 2012 #31

If the company proposed that the Union guarantee improved turnover Teamster Jeff Nov 2012 #34

Still a fast food company might want to improve turnover and negotiate with a union ways to achieve jody Nov 2012 #58

Asking that the Union "guarantee" that turnover would improve is unreasonable Teamster Jeff Nov 2012 #60

I used "guarantee" to solicit a reply. Thanks. nt jody Nov 2012 #61

Step increases in pay Omaha Steve Nov 2012 #63

The first two are based on longevity and would not kick in until after the six months jody Nov 2012 #67

Jody why would they quit at 6 months with a raise on the way? Omaha Steve Nov 2012 #68

See #17, I'm speaking to those who want short term jobs. As those are replaced with long term jody Nov 2012 #69

People who for some reason want a short term job usually go to Temp Agencies.. Bluenorthwest Nov 2012 #87

Why are you so desperate to create a false premise to base an argument upon? Ikonoklast Nov 2012 #42

Thanks for you insight based on your experience on a contract negotiating committee. I'm sure jody Nov 2012 #55

I'll go out on a limb here. YES. Ikonoklast Nov 2012 #65

As a member of 3 Unions in my life, that poster is very much correct. Bluenorthwest Nov 2012 #88

Turnover doesnt matter. If an employee walks Triloon Nov 2012 #79

Are you certain that's true for UAPD & AAUP unions? jody Nov 2012 #90

I imagine higher wages would compel many to maintain their employment LanternWaste Nov 2012 #28

But #17 says "a huge percentage of fast food workers (was easily 80% when I was in HS, though it's jody Nov 2012 #30

It can't. ElboRuum Nov 2012 #38

Oh I get unions alright, been a member of one and champion of its cause. nt jody Nov 2012 #40

That's puzzling... ElboRuum Nov 2012 #46

Not all unions are the same because all work is not the same. A union of MDs functions much jody Nov 2012 #50

Well, that's probably... ElboRuum Nov 2012 #73

What Local number? Ikonoklast Nov 2012 #70

See my pm to you. nt jody Nov 2012 #71

then why would you first post about unions here be a lie? CreekDog Nov 2012 #80

It's not the Unions job to improve turnover Teamster Jeff Nov 2012 #33

I agree not union's job but it's also not a businesses job to raise wages above that set by the jody Nov 2012 #39

You've shown more than that nt Teamster Jeff Nov 2012 #43

they've shown they are anti-union CreekDog Nov 2012 #97

+++ Teamster Jeff Nov 2012 #103

Hey, I gotta a good idea, how about a probation period that is common to all industries? Sivafae Nov 2012 #44

If it is a financial advantage to do a thing... ElboRuum Nov 2012 #49

You have it all backwards. Without Union and other legal protections Unions won for Bluenorthwest Nov 2012 #86

I'm of two minds about that. Xithras Nov 2012 #17

I think the thing is that teen workers are provisional by law anyway Sivafae Nov 2012 #45

No nt NoGOPZone Nov 2012 #35

I am all for improving work conditions and pay. There are, however... wake.up.america Nov 2012 #76

The right to walk off the job rrneck Nov 2012 #92

If an employee should have the right to arbitrarily walk off the job, i.e. discharge them self, why jody Nov 2012 #95

I suppose an employer could arbitrarly discharge an employee rrneck Nov 2012 #96

93% of private workers do not belong to unions. You know, capitalism and all that. nt jody Nov 2012 #98

Aye, there's the rub. rrneck Nov 2012 #99

and your job won't be done until it's 100% CreekDog Nov 2012 #100

Could they join the union & work 'in same the industry' rather than the 'for same employer? Myrina Nov 2012 #102

If they can't pay people what those people are worth, perhaps they should evaluate whether they patrice Nov 2012 #8

There's a lot of food on the McDonald's menu that's remarkably cheap. truthisfreedom Nov 2012 #20

How much do you pay for your le big mac? Sivafae Nov 2012 #48

That's funny. JoeyT Nov 2012 #84

Fine by me. The SAME complaints were made at the turn of the century NYC Liberal Nov 2012 #85

Their commonplace business model is fail from go. ElboRuum Nov 2012 #74

Two separate issues WinniSkipper Nov 2012 #104

let it shine reteachinwi Nov 2012 #22

Hopefully, this will spread. TxVietVet Nov 2012 #25

No McDonald's or Taco Hell? KamaAina Nov 2012 #27

Yea !!! RKP5637 Nov 2012 #29

While I dont hold out much hope for this I do wish them the best on their efforts. cstanleytech Nov 2012 #32

Oh my, I feel faint. A $2 burger. Change on the floor of the car. Quelle horreur !! libdem4life Nov 2012 #37

This makes me so happy to read felix_numinous Nov 2012 #41

Big thumbs up!! nt Bad_Ronald Nov 2012 #56

I Wish These Workers the Best, However Iggy Nov 2012 #57

I find that folks who use industry lingo like QSR tend to have a personal stake... Bluenorthwest Nov 2012 #89

:-) I'm Not a Restaurant Owner, However Iggy Nov 2012 #106

they have casual and fast food in Canada, Japan, Europe too and those places pay more CreekDog Dec 2012 #107

Please RE-READ My Post Iggy Dec 2012 #108

Wonderful!!! mzmolly Nov 2012 #59

this is awesome limpyhobbler Nov 2012 #77

I was wondering, wouldn't they fit right in with SEIU? Myrina Nov 2012 #101

The development of a sense of empowerment against burnsei sensei Dec 2012 #109

Found this site that answers a lot of questions about subminum pay: Lars39 Dec 2012 #110