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1StrongBlackMan

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78. Yep ...

Thu Nov 29, 2012, 02:50 PM

Nov 2012

President Obama has already talked about raising the CG and Dividend Tax rates.

Now prepare for the "But what about all the elderly depending on CG and Dividend income to survive" melt-down.

Could this open the door for a progressive CG and Dividend taxation model, like we see in the "WORKED FOR IT" income tax model?

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Obama Is Flexible On Highest Tax Rates [View all] NeoConsSuck Nov 2012 OP

A 3% bump is too much? /nt Ash_F Nov 2012 #1

On the top earners, income is easily manipulated..think Romney's last taxes. msanthrope Nov 2012 #21

Wishful thinking! JDPriestly Nov 2012 #41

Under the fiscal cliff, capital gains goes to 20%. Obama's FYI 2013 asks for a capital gains msanthrope Nov 2012 #53

Exactly. This is all Kabuki theater BlueStreak Nov 2012 #46

Yeah ... 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2012 #80

It is now almost December. Please pay attention. BlueStreak Nov 2012 #86

He has been talking continuously ... 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2012 #97

I have heard 100 people talk about this BlueStreak Nov 2012 #100

Okay ... 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2012 #103

This Washpo atrticle talks about some of the other revenue BlueStreak Nov 2012 #105

Yes ... 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2012 #107

I look at it the other way BlueStreak Nov 2012 #111

Or ... 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2012 #112

Come on. That doesn't make sense. BlueStreak Nov 2012 #113

No ... 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2012 #115

I worked for 18 years selling products that had ... BlueStreak Nov 2012 #116

Not the same, imo ... 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2012 #118

And you know that how? BlueStreak Nov 2012 #119

okay n/t 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2012 #120

Let's go back to before president Obama was nominated in Denver.... Hotler Nov 2012 #124

This message was self-deleted by its author AnotherMcIntosh Nov 2012 #84

Thats a shitty way to negoiate. bahrbearian Nov 2012 #52

He has said he is serious about fighting climate change. raouldukelives Nov 2012 #56

Yep ... 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2012 #78

It won't hurt anybody to go back to 20% cap gains and dividents as ordinary income BlueStreak Nov 2012 #88

and the great lie begins. he has a madate and roguevalley Nov 2012 #50

Here we go. sulphurdunn Nov 2012 #2

Yup. djean111 Nov 2012 #3

Bowes is another FUCKING blue dog bigdarryl Nov 2012 #4

Because they say the things the media wants to repeat. Lasher Nov 2012 #7

That's Great News! MannyGoldstein Nov 2012 #5

It's pretty smart, actually...think Mitt Romney's taxes where he manipulated his income msanthrope Nov 2012 #25

This message was self-deleted by its author AnotherMcIntosh Nov 2012 #35

And your optimism is based on what facts? JDPriestly Nov 2012 #43

Why Yes ... Yes he did ... 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2012 #81

Why No ... He did not hypergrove Nov 2012 #92

Yep ... 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2012 #98

Well ... 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2012 #122

Those links don't work for me. Sorry. JDPriestly Nov 2012 #99

But didn't ... 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2012 #101

Oops ... 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2012 #123

Thank you. JDPriestly Dec 2012 #129

As long as they take on loopholes leftynyc Nov 2012 #6

Correct. The income tax rate isn't the big money...Mitt was able to adjust msanthrope Nov 2012 #15

Perhaps not. Capital gains are a relatively a small fraction federal tax receipts mostlyconfused Nov 2012 #57

Your first link is empty, and to a site called "The Motley Fool." Your next link is to a FY 2007 msanthrope Nov 2012 #59

Weird. Here's a corrected link. mostlyconfused Nov 2012 #66

Your claim that taxes should not be raised on the 1% because it won't "solve the problem" is a RW msanthrope Nov 2012 #67

I don't think you are reading my posts correctly mostlyconfused Nov 2012 #68

Oh, I think I'm reading you just right. The argument that taxing the 1% isn't enough, therefore why msanthrope Nov 2012 #71

Not at all. Let me repeat...I have not once said don't raise taxes on the 1%. Do it. Do it now. mostlyconfused Nov 2012 #76

"I think a lot of us have underestimated how little impact even a much more progressive and msanthrope Nov 2012 #79

Investment income, including dividends and Cap Gains, differs fundamentally from ordinary 24601 Nov 2012 #85

What are the repukes upset about, again? Quantess Nov 2012 #8

Interesting facts from another DU thread about those poor rich folks... FailureToCommunicate Nov 2012 #9

Which is why you go after capital gains as opposed to income taxes. msanthrope Nov 2012 #17

They won't do a thing with capital gains. blackspade Nov 2012 #26

Capital gains jumps to 20% if no deal is reached. Further, the Obama 2013 msanthrope Nov 2012 #33

That is exactly why a deal will be reached. blackspade Nov 2012 #49

What happened to the Spine of Steel? bucolic_frolic Nov 2012 #10

Post removed Post removed Nov 2012 #11

Your concern is noted. Please feel free to share more of your concerns and enjoy your stay. nt msanthrope Nov 2012 #14

... SidDithers Nov 2012 #22

THAT'S what got this guy PPR'd? Cherchez la Femme Nov 2012 #47

Was a good hide and an excellent pizza...nt SidDithers Nov 2012 #48

Don't forget Sids on MIRT, he is defending America. bahrbearian Nov 2012 #51

All the best U.S. Democratic patriots are Canadian on DU. Cherchez la Femme Nov 2012 #61

It must have been disappointing for Sid bahrbearian Nov 2012 #69

Maybe if he gives them what they want they will be grateful and work with him. Kablooie Nov 2012 #12

This message was self-deleted by its author Kablooie Nov 2012 #13

Compromise is not a dirty word. Pterodactyl Nov 2012 #16

It is if one side ALWAYS gets everything they want. n/t Dawgs Nov 2012 #19

when one side fails to ever make compromise, then it becomes capitulation.. frylock Nov 2012 #63

I knew about this weeks ago.... secondwind Nov 2012 #18

Erskine Bowles is a Wall Street bankster and... SHRED Nov 2012 #20

And the cave in begins... on point Nov 2012 #23

Your concern is noted. Please feel free to share more of your concerns and enjoy your stay. nt msanthrope Nov 2012 #27

msanthrope, I fail to see what facts that give rise to JDPriestly Nov 2012 #45

The thing is, the HoR has no leverage at this point. None. So we hold fast and msanthrope Nov 2012 #55

No leverage? They have the majority. godai Nov 2012 #60

They don't have a veto-proof majority. And the President has already told them they are getting msanthrope Nov 2012 #62

That's just it ... 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2012 #104

I'm with you - I figured O to be too young to show any spine toby jo Nov 2012 #64

Your condescending tone is offensive. hypergrove Nov 2012 #90

+100 Myrina Dec 2012 #133

Leave the new posters alone Ter Nov 2012 #114

This message was self-deleted by its author AnotherMcIntosh Nov 2012 #36

There was no Clinton era 'peak' blackspade Nov 2012 #24

WSJ GOP-shill bunk! ProSense Nov 2012 #28

Poutrage d'jour!!! nt msanthrope Nov 2012 #34

From 15% to 20% capital gains tax BFD SHRED Nov 2012 #29

It is a pretty big deal. BlueStreak Nov 2012 #102

Here we go again. Fuddnik Nov 2012 #30

Maybe the duopoly... SHRED Nov 2012 #32

But you did hold your nose, right? bahrbearian Nov 2012 #70

NONE of the highest tax rates,... SHRED Nov 2012 #31

the caver in chief mcgarry50 Nov 2012 #37

Progressives Increasingly Confident That Obama Won’t Cave On Fiscal Cliff Deal ProSense Nov 2012 #38

This message was self-deleted by its author AnotherMcIntosh Nov 2012 #83

no real surprise there, us "concern trolls" stupidicus Nov 2012 #39

They will compromise at $500K... kentuck Nov 2012 #40

I am completely and utterly surprised a2liberal Nov 2012 #42

Oh FFS Cherchez la Femme Nov 2012 #44

What mandate? Jimbo S Nov 2012 #54

I'd accept not increasing tax rates if it meant that we'd decimate our defense budget Victor_c3 Nov 2012 #58

You'd think we'd learn from the lesson of what used to be the USSR ... Myrina Nov 2012 #72

If Obama was a hostage negotiator, rusty fender Nov 2012 #65

His client would end up flat broke and yes, the hostage would still die. Myrina Nov 2012 #73

Democrats SHOULD be fighting for a return to Eisenhower/Kennedy Tax rates. bvar22 Nov 2012 #74

Bingo, spot-on, you've nailed it. hypergrove Nov 2012 #95

What happened to fairness and shared sacrifice? It's time the rich ante up. The rich own the most. RickFromMN Nov 2012 #75

Has anyone else notice his flexibility always has the same bias as a Diebold BBV machine? Vincardog Nov 2012 #77

Victory! Yes! We won! vi5 Nov 2012 #82

At least we will get good, progressive Supreme Court nominees. Oh wait. Never mind. RickFromMN Nov 2012 #87

I figured it was sarcasm. vi5 Nov 2012 #96

Just cave and get it over with. Could do without the theatre. harun Nov 2012 #89

all dribs & drabs - childish negotiating style hypergrove Nov 2012 #93

If they actually wanted to get what they say they want that would be the path. harun Nov 2012 #121

Why do I get this feeling in the pit of my stomach that Democrats are about to ... markpkessinger Nov 2012 #91

Which will make it easy for him to bend over. KamaAina Nov 2012 #94

I work part time Steerpike Nov 2012 #106

Of course he is. woo me with science Nov 2012 #108

"POTENTIAL ENTITLEMENT CUTS" Liberalynn Nov 2012 #109

did he decide this at lunch with his new pal Rmoney while promising to keep in touch? Alamuti Lotus Nov 2012 #110

I dont mind them being somewhat flexible on the tax issue provided cstanleytech Nov 2012 #117

flexing in the wrong direction, of course 0rganism Nov 2012 #125

Increase capital gains taxes to be the same as income taxes high density Nov 2012 #126

The ACA already raised rates 3.8% on investment income and 0.9% on the rest. dkf Nov 2012 #127

That would be 3.8% on certain unearned income Ms. Toad Dec 2012 #130

For "rich people" that probably has more impact than raising income tax rates. dkf Dec 2012 #131

My point is not whether it impacts people, Ms. Toad Dec 2012 #134

He should have started by insisting top marginal rates go abelenkpe Nov 2012 #128

GODDAMMIT! Myrina Dec 2012 #132