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36. Sorry, that was not an accident

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 11:52 AM

Nov 2012

That was an idiot who got lucky. He should have made sure the rifle was unloaded before he ever put it into his truck.

His failure to follow basic firearm safety practices caused the incident.

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15-year-old boy charged in girl’s fatal shooting on school bus; police say shooting accidental [View all] Judi Lynn Nov 2012 OP

He accidentally carried a gun onto a school bus? Sherman A1 Nov 2012 #1

.. and it accidentally went off? ObaMania Nov 2012 #2

the gun lovers will tell ya veganlush Nov 2012 #3

Show me the gun lovers who advocate children carrying concealed firearms. Atypical Liberal Nov 2012 #13

i think when there are tens of millions of firearms this is going to happen samsingh Nov 2012 #24

Sure we do. Atypical Liberal Nov 2012 #47

Good post PABigDaddyDemocrat Nov 2012 #176

+1,000! The more ubiquitous guns are, the more they will be misused. FACT! Surya Gayatri Nov 2012 #87

agreed samsingh Nov 2012 #100

The gun lovers are in favor of mandatory gun safety (oxymoron) Doctor_J Nov 2012 #149

It has nothing to do with carrying guns, gun ownership, or even shooting guns glacierbay Nov 2012 #152

a post from nrahq! Doctor_J Nov 2012 #160

???????????????????? glacierbay Nov 2012 #166

"shall not be infringed" veganlush Nov 2012 #177

Posts like yours make DU suck, veganlush slackmaster Nov 2012 #14

i think veganlush has a good point samsingh Nov 2012 #25

No, veganlush's "point" is a straw man slackmaster Nov 2012 #32

If DU Sucks, Why Do You Stick Around? (nt) Paladin Nov 2012 #46

Just to piss you off, Paladin slackmaster Nov 2012 #58

Good One. glacierbay Nov 2012 #62

So Glad To Be Of Service To You. (nt) Paladin Nov 2012 #66

i am so frustrated and flabbergasted that these types of tragedies are acceptable to gun lovers samsingh Nov 2012 #31

Who thinks this tragedy is "acceptable?" slackmaster Nov 2012 #33

Any right-wing NRA gun nut. Aristus Nov 2012 #38

Name one real person who has actually said that. slackmaster Nov 2012 #40

I say that. Atypical Liberal Nov 2012 #49

And there we have it slackmaster Nov 2012 #57

I think any parent or guardian whose child gets his/her Sekhmets Daughter Nov 2012 #60

Generally, I agree. Atypical Liberal Nov 2012 #81

Perhaps, Sekhmets Daughter Nov 2012 #93

Sure, but at some point, it becomes someone else's responsibility. Atypical Liberal Nov 2012 #97

I am not absolving the shooter of responsibility.... Sekhmets Daughter Nov 2012 #103

I don't think I could ever absolve myself of guilt. Atypical Liberal Nov 2012 #115

That's what I thought.... Sekhmets Daughter Nov 2012 #120

As a former school administrator goclark Nov 2012 #123

You should keep the key on your person at all times then bettyellen Nov 2012 #133

This is not possible. Atypical Liberal Nov 2012 #175

I don't have keys to anything deadly, so no. bettyellen Nov 2012 #178

It's not the teens I worry about Atypical Liberal Nov 2012 #179

I agree, your kid gets ahold of YOUR wepons, YOUR responsible. Period. Katashi_itto Nov 2012 #144

well said : i too am sick of people taking no responsibility samsingh Nov 2012 #167

Would you be open to this safety program taught in school? glacierbay Nov 2012 #169

Absolutely... Sekhmets Daughter Nov 2012 #170

I glad your father prevented a tragedy glacierbay Nov 2012 #171

There is nothing worse than a closed mind.... Sekhmets Daughter Nov 2012 #172

Same for alcohol? hack89 Nov 2012 #91

they have nothing to do with each other - however, yes hosts are liable for getting guests drunk who samsingh Nov 2012 #101

So that clerk at the 7-11 who sold me a 12 pack would be liable hack89 Nov 2012 #110

it's not 'me' - this is the law in many places samsingh Nov 2012 #124

If you can't trust your kids, Sekhmets Daughter Nov 2012 #121

We have a free society in here in Canada Canuckistanian Nov 2012 #143

'shall not infringe' samsingh Nov 2012 #168

Shall we extend that to "free press" as well? PavePusher Nov 2012 #173

see the next response samsingh Nov 2012 #70

No shit, slackmaster. But try and blame it on piss-poor parenting (which is a root cause) and DollarBillHines Nov 2012 #134

Most of the gunsters say that "accidents" like this are of Doctor_J Nov 2012 #150

May sound like it you glacierbay Nov 2012 #153

here is one of our very own, in the very thread Doctor_J Nov 2012 #161

Which does not at all equal "acceptable". No matter how much you insist it does. n/t PavePusher Nov 2012 #174

Why don't you link to one post where glacierbay Nov 2012 #41

Not acceptable in an absolute sense. Aristus Nov 2012 #44

What are some of these WinniSkipper Nov 2012 #98

Close the gun-show loophole, for example. Aristus Nov 2012 #99

Interesting WinniSkipper Nov 2012 #104

Please define what the "gun-show loophole" is, how you would "close" it, enforce it..... PavePusher Nov 2012 #157

"these types of tragedies are acceptable to gun lovers" PavePusher Nov 2012 #82

I am so frustrated and flabbergasted that incidents like this are politicized. Remmah2 Nov 2012 #156

...that she'd have shor HERSELF accidentally, which wouldn't be as bad?... Ken Burch Nov 2012 #162

If that were true that would be a scathing criticism 4th law of robotics Nov 2012 #165

Arrest the parents and suspend goclark Nov 2012 #4

The dumb shit who left the gun where he could take it should go to prison Kolesar Nov 2012 #9

Who says it was left out? bitchkitty Nov 2012 #63

The kid is the one at fault. Not the parents. Honeycombe8 Nov 2012 #11

It's not true that there are "no accidents" Fumesucker Nov 2012 #17

Sorry, that was not an accident RantinRavin Nov 2012 #36

It was an accident in that it was not a deliberate act Fumesucker Nov 2012 #37

No, I think he's right. Atypical Liberal Nov 2012 #52

I can think of several instances in my life where I could have killed myself or others being stupid Fumesucker Nov 2012 #56

There is no room for stupidity with firearms. Atypical Liberal Nov 2012 #79

Humans just don't *do* perfect Fumesucker Nov 2012 #86

That is fine. But we need to call it what it is. Atypical Liberal Nov 2012 #90

And punishment is needed for negligence Fumesucker Nov 2012 #96

Blaming a machine for user fuckup doesn't sound smart coming from either camp n/t Scootaloo Nov 2012 #107

That's a great way to put it. nt. glacierbay Nov 2012 #117

i guess the protection didn't work for the 13 year old girl who was killed samsingh Nov 2012 #26

The kid is the one at fault. Not the parents. AlbertCat Nov 2012 #28

Agree. We are far to accepting of guns in our society. Hoyt Nov 2012 #106

no, parents are legally responsible for their children to 18 so should not leave loaded guns around wordpix Nov 2012 #151

Take away the gun ownership rights mainstreetonce Nov 2012 #34

I feel so sad for the girl's parents,,where do they go with their emotions? MrYikes Nov 2012 #5

Gus. Bun. truthisfreedom Nov 2012 #6

No buns on the gus? Quantess Nov 2012 #7

gun lovers don't want anything to reduce the number of guns or where they can be carried. samsingh Nov 2012 #27

I'm not a "gun lover," but I'm not thrilled at the idea of checkpoints to get on a bus. Comrade Grumpy Nov 2012 #39

How many laws did this kid break? hack89 Nov 2012 #92

Happened at my wife's school the other day, too... Genghis_Sean Nov 2012 #8

Had the bus driver and more passengers had conceal carry she would be alive... Evasporque Nov 2012 #10

Guns, guns, guns. Really sad. Hope they track where gun came from. Hoyt Nov 2012 #12

Guns discharge when the trigger is pulled. TexasProgresive Nov 2012 #15

there are many people to blame for tragedies like this samsingh Nov 2012 #29

If you own a gun, you are responsible for it. safeinOhio Nov 2012 #16

I support tax incentives to encourage people to buy safe storage devices for firearms slackmaster Nov 2012 #18

What? aandegoons Nov 2012 #19

Your big screen TV won't make a very good weapon when some thug steals it slackmaster Nov 2012 #21

Ya it will he will have a bad back after he tries to walk off with it. aandegoons Nov 2012 #22

Good idea. safeinOhio Nov 2012 #20

Build a walk in vault and insulate it. Remmah2 Nov 2012 #23

i agree samsingh Nov 2012 #30

+10000000000000 glacierbay Nov 2012 #42

My safe is in my safe room. safeinOhio Nov 2012 #48

VERY SAD fightthegoodfightnow Nov 2012 #35

I would like you to point out one person in the gungeon glacierbay Nov 2012 #43

Gun Safety Without a Gun? fightthegoodfightnow Nov 2012 #45

Gun safety with a prop gun, not a real one. glacierbay Nov 2012 #50

Ok fightthegoodfightnow Nov 2012 #61

Reason would be it a kid came across a gun glacierbay Nov 2012 #65

I Support Gun Education fightthegoodfightnow Nov 2012 #71

I agree that the gun owner is responsible for the safe storage of firearms glacierbay Nov 2012 #72

Responsibility fightthegoodfightnow Nov 2012 #74

Absolutely glacierbay Nov 2012 #77

Your Experience fightthegoodfightnow Nov 2012 #85

It could be narrowly defined to what to do if a kid comes across a firearm glacierbay Nov 2012 #88

And you as well. fightthegoodfightnow Nov 2012 #89

Agreed. nt. glacierbay Nov 2012 #95

An NRA-Directed Program In Public Schools? Paladin Nov 2012 #73

Why don't you read the Link I provided first glacierbay Nov 2012 #75

I Don't Need To Re-View The Link. Paladin Nov 2012 #145

Fine. glacierbay Nov 2012 #146

You can teach safe sex without screwing. Remmah2 Nov 2012 #54

Fair Enough fightthegoodfightnow Nov 2012 #55

Human sexuality is innately human as is the desire for self preservation. Remmah2 Nov 2012 #64

And yet you can fightthegoodfightnow Nov 2012 #67

Touche' Remmah2 Nov 2012 #84

Who is going to teach gun safety, some fool who spends weekends training to shoot people Hoyt Nov 2012 #111

This program glacierbay Nov 2012 #116

Just what we don't need - those enamored with guns teaching kids. Hoyt Nov 2012 #119

What fucking part of this don't you understand glacierbay Nov 2012 #122

Teach them what to do and that guns are not good for society, but don't use NRA folks who love guns. Hoyt Nov 2012 #125

Forget it Hoyt glacierbay Nov 2012 #127

Have a nice TGiving, GB. Hoyt Nov 2012 #139

You too glacierbay Nov 2012 #140

How clueless and delusional can one side get? Remmah2 Nov 2012 #53

Good grief fightthegoodfightnow Nov 2012 #59

Two young lives Aerows Nov 2012 #51

"The gun went off once..." Really? Guns just go off on their own? Beaverhausen Nov 2012 #68

This my opinion. I am not interested in upaloopa Nov 2012 #69

Wow fightthegoodfightnow Nov 2012 #76

Most idiotic post of the day glacierbay Nov 2012 #78

The day's not half over yet.... PavePusher Nov 2012 #83

Your post also makes DU suck. slackmaster Nov 2012 #80

I'm sure gungeon second amendment worshipers will call that "idiotic." But it's not. Hoyt Nov 2012 #112

Bravo, upaloopa! Carolina Nov 2012 #114

Thanks for finding the words. You speak for many. n/t Judi Lynn Nov 2012 #128

And in the real world glacierbay Nov 2012 #130

No appetite for a sane, non-reactionary world? I doubt it. n/t Judi Lynn Nov 2012 #136

how tragic and on a bus full of kids. Sunlei Nov 2012 #94

Another LEGAL gun another death. Carnage. When is it going to end? Ban ALL guns in the street graham4anything Nov 2012 #102

We need a total ban! Blandocyte Nov 2012 #105

And attitudes like this is exactly why our party is seen as anti gun glacierbay Nov 2012 #108

A huge portion of the party is anti-gun Blandocyte Nov 2012 #113

Well, you don't get to decide. glacierbay Nov 2012 #118

Maybe that 44% would be willing to give them up Blandocyte Nov 2012 #141

There are millions of Dems who own guns glacierbay Nov 2012 #147

"a good example" of... what? PavePusher Nov 2012 #159

We need a total ban on humans. Remmah2 Nov 2012 #155

Maybe you can finally answer me this glacierbay Nov 2012 #109

This word, "LEGAL".... PavePusher Nov 2012 #158

Thank goodness it was an accident jberryhill Nov 2012 #126

Who said that? glacierbay Nov 2012 #129

Considering the girl is just as dead, how does it come as a big relief to everyone involved? LisaL Nov 2012 #131

Could have been worse jberryhill Nov 2012 #132

How, exactly? LisaL Nov 2012 #137

If your kid shot some other kid... jberryhill Nov 2012 #138

In MA I believe the gun owner would be arrested in this case. Marrah_G Nov 2012 #135

Guns don't kill people, people do. If this boy had a knife, he might have "accidentally" stabbed her riderinthestorm Nov 2012 #142

Would you be happier if he'd accidentally beat her with a bat? Doctor_J Nov 2012 #148

Cue the anti gun talking points. glacierbay Nov 2012 #154

At home and the range is where you display your firearms...school is for learning. ileus Nov 2012 #163

"Don't worry! I know what I'm ... oops!" struggle4progress Nov 2012 #164

I wonder if the school could be held liable, too Blue_Tires Nov 2012 #180