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John2

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Mon Nov 19, 2012, 04:41 PM

Nov 2012

only loser speaking militarily will be the people of Gaza. Hamas does not have the military capability of Israel. Hamas is only a pest compared to Israel. Israel does not have to go in on the ground when they can do damage from the air. Hamas is putting the people of Gaza in jeopardy.

If Hamas wants a fight with Israel, then why don't they invade Israel instead of hiding behind civilians. The way they conduct War, is not unlike the terrorists, that use women and children as human shields, to get what they want. And what they really want is the total destruction of Israel. This position is what puts Netanyahu on higher ground. He has a right to defend his country if attack. The situation is untenable, as long as Hamas can lob missiles into Israel when they please. The only solution in the long term is to eliminate Hamas unless they compromise their position, and agree to the two state solution and having peace talks with Israel. The people supporting Hamas in Gaza, can also take actions, to get rid of Hamas for a better government, instead of Jihadists.

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Hamas Leader Dares Israel to Invade Amid Gaza Airstrikes [View all] ellisonz Nov 2012 OP

I agree with you 100% glacierbay Nov 2012 #1

In short, he's a coward. ellisonz Nov 2012 #2

In short glacierbay Nov 2012 #5

Meshal calls Israel's bluff. Comrade Grumpy Nov 2012 #3

If you think that it is Israel, that will lose this war... ellisonz Nov 2012 #4

There will be two losers FreeBC Nov 2012 #8

The Israeli military if they want can stop this completely... ellisonz Nov 2012 #13

But you have to consider the PR war. FreeBC Nov 2012 #20

Israel is not trying to "kill enough people in Gaza" ellisonz Nov 2012 #21

If he's got the best interests of his people in his mind glacierbay Nov 2012 #6

Hamas was democratically elected by the people of Gaza FreeBC Nov 2012 #9

Yes they were glacierbay Nov 2012 #10

Hamas was "democratically elected" and then proceeded to brutally eliminate the Fatah opposition. ellisonz Nov 2012 #11

Who have not allowed an election of any sort since ProgressiveProfessor Nov 2012 #25

Of course Meshal wants this. There would be civilian casualties to garner international sympathy, Freddie Stubbs Nov 2012 #7

I suspect that you're right. nt. glacierbay Nov 2012 #12

What I'm seeing is that the leaders of both countries sees a certain percentage of their own Lars39 Nov 2012 #14

'more land for Israel ' ? King_David Nov 2012 #42

So why bulldoze houses that people live in? Lars39 Nov 2012 #45

When was that? King_David Nov 2012 #46

In Gaza? King_David Nov 2012 #47

Gaza: No Way. Just. Plain. Nope. FreeBC Nov 2012 #15

the author of that piece doesn't really say what is a "win" Mosby Nov 2012 #30

last week Israel broke the cease fire by assassinating Ahmed Jabari after a cease fire was in place azurnoir Nov 2012 #16

Except Hamas has never stopped firing rockets into Israel... ellisonz Nov 2012 #18

But Hamas did stepback until the extrajudicial assassination but do use years old stuff azurnoir Nov 2012 #23

So you agree that Hamas and it's allies have never stopped attacking Israelis? ellisonz Nov 2012 #27

I really do not appreciate having my comments reinterpreted for me eom azurnoir Nov 2012 #33

see comment #22 for an answer n/t azurnoir Nov 2012 #34

I think we can agree to disagree. ellisonz Nov 2012 #36

Hamas and Islamic Jihad are not the same thing Recursion Nov 2012 #26

Peas in a pod. ellisonz Nov 2012 #28

And that is why you fail (nt) Recursion Nov 2012 #29

That's the best you have? ellisonz Nov 2012 #31

How is a Pan-Islamic movement different from a Palestinian nationalist movement? Recursion Nov 2012 #32

I know the history of both groups. ellisonz Nov 2012 #35

From John2 Nov 2012 #19

well I don't know about you but if one keeps abreast of the news one does know azurnoir Nov 2012 #22

Have you read this Atlantic article? Nobody can say Israel is the instigator! riderinthestorm Nov 2012 #44

The John2 Nov 2012 #17

so Palestinians are human sheilds simply because they live in Gaza? azurnoir Nov 2012 #24

I wasn't around in 2003... were you? Scootaloo Nov 2012 #40

no but I was lurking in 2004 and 2005 and DU was solidly antiwar azurnoir Nov 2012 #41

Hamas has a better record of keeping ceasefires than Israel does. Puregonzo1188 Nov 2012 #37

I don't know. I think at this point a ground invasion would be better than bombing. Ash_F Nov 2012 #38

The man is a butcher and a fool. But only HE and his inner circle should suffer for that. Ken Burch Nov 2012 #39

Hamas is totaly responsible for the deaths of it's own people center rising Nov 2012 #43