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Beastly Boy

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14. I believe that Russia's irreversible imperial decline is self evident.
Sat Mar 18, 2023, 10:41 AM
Mar 2023

Russia, being cut of from the West, and being incapable of sustaining itself economically, has no choice but turn to China, increasingly on China's terms.

Here are some sources that address China's aspirations for taking advantage of the impending disintegration of Russia. It has been apparent for quite a while::

But now China’s presence in the Far East is being felt in an altogether different way. Beijing is behind billions of dollars of investment in the region, fueling both the stagnating economy but and tensions with the local population.
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While some in Russia’s Far East do occasionally speak of an independent “United States of Siberia,” the idea lacks prominent supporters or any realistic prospect of success. However, the tensions behind it and the growing resistance to being directly governed from another continent will continue to define relations between Russia’s center and its extremities. For those in Russia’s Far East, Moscow might seem like a world away – with eight time zones and a five-day train journey dividing them. Now though, the distance between the two looks to be growing.

https://thediplomat.com/2020/10/the-distance-between-moscow-and-russias-far-east-is-growing/

Even though [China's Communist] Party delegates baked new anti-Taiwanese language into the Communist Party’s constitution, the real territorial temptation for China might be to the North, in the Russian Far East, where hundreds of thousands of ethnically Chinese Russian citizens, trapped in a substantially weakened and hollow dictatorship, could potentially be enticed to reconsider their options.

While there’s no way to know what Xi is thinking, China’s long-established pattern of behavior suggests that, as Russia redirects border security units to a grinding conflict in Ukraine, it is worth considering if China might be mulling expansionist contingencies to the north, along the sprawling and sparsely held 2,615 mile Russian frontier.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/craighooper/2022/10/24/as-russia-gets-weaker-xi-jinping-may-forgo-taiwan-to-grab-eastern-russia/?sh=7216190b6ce4

Russian President Vladimir Putin has had enough of the nice talks and being large-hearted. Now Moscow is moving towards putting their interests at the centre stage and having the hard talks with the concerned parties which were delayed for a long time. For a while, Russia has been making nudges to remind the Chinese Communist Party to not attempt any adventure in the Far East, and now with the demand to 1 million illegal migrants to leave the country, the message is clearer than ever.

https://tfiglobalnews.com/2021/04/17/putin-warns-all-illegal-chinese-immigrants-living-in-its-far-east-to-leave-or-get-punished/

On edit: China also has historical claims to large parts of Siberia which are more legitimate than Russia's claims to Ukraine.

Years of a one-child policy will tank that idea... SKKY Mar 2023 #1
What idea? China taking over Russia's natural resources? Beastly Boy Mar 2023 #2
6 because people have 4 grandparents plus 2 parents IronLionZion Mar 2023 #3
Ok, but when those adults age out of the workforce... SKKY Mar 2023 #6
China's population is shrinking. The impact will be felt around the world melm00se Mar 2023 #10
One of The Most Effective Means To Control Population Growth modrepub Mar 2023 #15
Concur. And something which China clearly did not do... SKKY Mar 2023 #16
Xi ought to arrest him and turn him over to the proper authorities. Ligyron Mar 2023 #4
Xi Won't Allow The Military To Attack Russia... PaulnFortWorth Mar 2023 #13
Back to the future, with a switch between lord and vassal. paleotn Mar 2023 #5
Interesting speculation, now for some evidence!!? Alexander Of Assyria Mar 2023 #7
Thats meaningless drivel but it also explains a LOT. oldsoftie Mar 2023 #11
I believe that Russia's irreversible imperial decline is self evident. Beastly Boy Mar 2023 #14
The LBN post shows this is from The Telegraph but it looks like Yahoo! News! erronis Mar 2023 #8
Yahoo News is an aggregator aggregator. They show the source to be The Telegraph Beastly Boy Mar 2023 #9
Its time for all nations subjugated by RU to take back their lands oldsoftie Mar 2023 #12
It would make more sense to keep what you have Marthe48 Mar 2023 #17
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Mar 2023 #18
Good to hear from you, Uncle! Beastly Boy Mar 2023 #19
The forum hosts voted to lock this JudyM Mar 2023 #20
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