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Odin2005

(53,521 posts)
33. That's a RW talking point, buddy.
Tue Nov 13, 2012, 11:16 AM
Nov 2012

usually invoked by wing-nuts angry that We The People can make the rich pay taxes. We are both a Constitutional Republic AND a Democracy.

Who's the hold-out? no_hypocrisy Nov 2012 #1
... and why? Career as a Democrat is over. Scuba Nov 2012 #6
Some Democrats remember when they were in the minority happyslug Nov 2012 #23
And if the Repubs get in charge you think they'll OK the filibuster for the Dems??????? Scuba Nov 2012 #28
They have in the past..... happyslug Nov 2012 #47
Is anyone going to answer the question? Who's the holdout? xtraxritical Nov 2012 #58
Ok, I'll do my own homework, here's the answer... xtraxritical Nov 2012 #59
I am sooooo pissed. nt valerief Nov 2012 #70
Kerry? Really? ACK. ChaoticTrilby Nov 2012 #72
Kerry is for filibuster reform karynnj Nov 2012 #139
Ah, good! Thanks for the update. ChaoticTrilby Nov 2012 #143
Senator must cast a vote if they are present Freddie Stubbs Nov 2012 #83
And Reid probably voted against it because for procedural reasons Freddie Stubbs Nov 2012 #87
That was a vote taken 2 years ago though. NYC Liberal Nov 2012 #93
I could have named most of them without looking at your list. Kerry I am surprised did not vote. lonestarnot Nov 2012 #107
I think he was in Sudan where things were falling apart karynnj Nov 2012 #138
I think they are at 49, easily at the moment CreekDog Nov 2012 #128
Remember "The Nuclear Option"? MurrayDelph Dec 2012 #146
And should that happen, do you think the Repubs wouldn't change it now BlueCaliDem Nov 2012 #42
Nobody is talking about killing the filibuster. gcomeau Nov 2012 #48
Actually they are not even talking about that. former9thward Nov 2012 #54
In that case... gcomeau Nov 2012 #55
Yes...and that's my main concern with the filibuster reform idea RFKHumphreyObama Nov 2012 #88
It's still obstructionism . . . MrModerate Nov 2012 #101
Exactly. I was grateful for the filibuster in 2003 democrattotheend Nov 2012 #117
The reform doesn't take away the filibuster CreekDog Nov 2012 #127
One is prolly Joe Lieberman, who often caucuses with the Dems on some issues. CTyankee Nov 2012 #98
The only time they can do this is at the beginning of the term when they are SteveG Nov 2012 #123
Oh, that's right. I remember reading that somewhere... CTyankee Nov 2012 #125
Not quite. HooptieWagon Nov 2012 #135
True, but how likely is that? SteveG Dec 2012 #145
+1 million. Who the hell are these traitors? nt valerief Nov 2012 #69
From the article on who voted against or didn't vote at all: yurbud Nov 2012 #92
Or do they. Mass Nov 2012 #2
tend to agree. mopinko Nov 2012 #4
Name names, please CanonRay Nov 2012 #3
If they wait till January they will have 51+ votes INdemo Nov 2012 #5
AFAIK, they must wait for January. longship Nov 2012 #37
Right. n/t PoliticAverse Nov 2012 #53
I agree, so let's wait wordpix Nov 2012 #105
I agree, my math says they probably have at least 49 right now CreekDog Nov 2012 #129
Without filibuster reform ... earthside Nov 2012 #7
Some Democratic Senators may worry that they may someday be in the minority Freddie Stubbs Nov 2012 #9
So. The filibuster is garbage, and no way to run a democracy. still_one Nov 2012 #11
This is a constitutional republic, not a democracy Freddie Stubbs Nov 2012 #13
it's a democratic republic HankyDub Nov 2012 #17
I do not listen to talk radio, so I am not familiar with how Rush Limbaugh talks Freddie Stubbs Nov 2012 #18
That certainly was not the intent, which you know quite well. HankyDub Nov 2012 #19
People are often incorrect Freddie Stubbs Nov 2012 #25
If only you remembered that when repeating Administration talking points the past 4 years. MessiahRp Nov 2012 #43
We support President Obama here at DU! Freddie Stubbs Nov 2012 #84
What a ridiculous response. MessiahRp Nov 2012 #97
If Obama had tried to do everything that the far left wanted, he would have been a one-termer Freddie Stubbs Nov 2012 #111
I completely disagree with that assessment. MessiahRp Nov 2012 #112
My 'third way nonsense' is the reason a Democrat has won the popular vote in 5 of the last 6 Freddie Stubbs Nov 2012 #114
Thank you for publicly outing yourself as a cheerleader for the Third Way. MessiahRp Nov 2012 #115
If people don't like triangulation, why do they keep voting for candidates who do it? Freddie Stubbs Nov 2012 #119
When the party only finances candidates that do it, you're left with no choice. MessiahRp Nov 2012 #120
In 2008 most of President Obama's funds were from small donations Freddie Stubbs Nov 2012 #133
prior to that you proudly displayed a blue dog painting in your sig line Occulus Nov 2012 #141
Those who don't want Blue Dogs in Congress don't want a Democratic majority Freddie Stubbs Nov 2012 #142
Of course he does Kingofalldems Nov 2012 #20
Oh, jeez. earthside Nov 2012 #24
If that were the ultimate value in the Senate, Wyoming and California wouldn't have the same number Freddie Stubbs Nov 2012 #26
The only ones who keep saying it's a Republic are Republicans,...as if they OWN it. Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2012 #27
The fact that it is a republic makes it difficult for any one faction to 'own' it Freddie Stubbs Nov 2012 #32
That's not how they see it. They say it's theirs and Dems need to get out of their way. Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2012 #46
That's a RW talking point, buddy. Odin2005 Nov 2012 #33
after all, one pledges allegience to both the flag SemperEadem Nov 2012 #57
Facts are facts, regardless of whoever is stating them Freddie Stubbs Nov 2012 #86
The US being a republic does not perclude the US from also being a democracy. Odin2005 Nov 2012 #102
It is still no way to run a Constitutional republic, and the last four years exemplify this still_one Nov 2012 #56
Unfortunately. nt Comrade_McKenzie Nov 2012 #81
I don't think you need to end it HankyDub Nov 2012 #15
+1 nt ProudProgressiveNow Nov 2012 #21
Good thing we're not one Ter Nov 2012 #61
Aren't they effectively putting themselves in minority julian09 Nov 2012 #75
If they have no backbone and not pass the rule change INdemo Nov 2012 #136
The United States is a Democratic Republic!!! tonybgood Nov 2012 #64
That is the reason for the supreme court and the constitution. julian09 Nov 2012 #77
Wrong!!! The Supreme Court isn't there to protect against "bad laws"! tonybgood Nov 2012 #121
Didn't I mention constitution along with supreme court, connect the dots. julian09 Nov 2012 #137
The filibuster was used to keep slavery intact, so protection of the rights of minorities is still_one Nov 2012 #80
and the fight against civil rights Salviati Nov 2012 #126
I agree still_one Nov 2012 #132
the rights of the minorities frequently are trampled dlwickham Nov 2012 #95
lately in the Senate the rights of the majority are being trampled due to the filibuster rule wordpix Nov 2012 #106
if national Republicans keep this up, they will end up in the same position as California Repubs: yurbud Nov 2012 #94
Sounds exactly like the movie Lincoln. Kablooie Nov 2012 #8
Who do we need to yell at? We need names. nt bemildred Nov 2012 #10
The Blue Dogs and Southern Dems harun Nov 2012 #44
they heaven05 Nov 2012 #50
Perhaps not Blasphemer Nov 2012 #60
Utter shite - this is completely false dmallind Nov 2012 #96
Umm the Corporate owned Dems in the Senate are WORSE than the Blue Dogs harun Nov 2012 #110
Please see #59, above. AnotherMcIntosh Nov 2012 #65
Yep, that's about what I thought. bemildred Nov 2012 #68
Real reporters have names.... Kelvin Mace Nov 2012 #12
Senator Tom Udall is quoted in the article stated that he does not have 51 votes yet Freddie Stubbs Nov 2012 #16
By names, Kelvin Mace Nov 2012 #31
Please see #59, above. AnotherMcIntosh Nov 2012 #66
If Senator Udall had wanted to name names he would have done so Freddie Stubbs Nov 2012 #82
Since when do I exepct politicians to report the news Kelvin Mace Nov 2012 #89
Make them actually filibuster! Honest_Abe Nov 2012 #14
+1 nt ProudProgressiveNow Nov 2012 #22
There GOP will end the filibuster in a heartbeat Nancy Waterman Nov 2012 #30
Bring on the cook books, Chicken Soup For The Soul... loyalsister Nov 2012 #109
I agree democrattotheend Nov 2012 #118
Seriously. That's the entirety of the solution, right there. Posteritatis Nov 2012 #131
I just called Udall fredamae Nov 2012 #29
senate.gov malexand Nov 2012 #62
Thank you for this link fredamae Nov 2012 #63
TO EVERYONE WHO WANTS NAMES... thesquanderer Nov 2012 #34
Any Dems who won't vote to reform this should have their precious committee assignments stripped. leveymg Nov 2012 #35
Maybe Udall put this message out to energize the rank and file Democrats to show byeya Nov 2012 #36
The fillibuster must die. Odin2005 Nov 2012 #38
Harry Reed took forever to admit it was a problem. Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2012 #39
Perhaps we need a constitutional amendment: Maineman Nov 2012 #40
Then CHANGE THE RULES OF THE SENATE! Grins Nov 2012 #41
well heaven05 Nov 2012 #45
the independant that won EC Nov 2012 #49
He's not a senator yet. AAO Nov 2012 #67
Oh EC Nov 2012 #74
Right, but I don't think it starts until 2013 n/t AAO Nov 2012 #100
Virginia Dems: phone numbers s-cubed Nov 2012 #51
"A Reid aide emphasized that Reid did not commit himself to the constitutional option" n/t PoliticAverse Nov 2012 #52
They should rename it the Ballbuster. nt valerief Nov 2012 #71
Some of this may have to do with WHAT exactly is being proposed... brooklynite Nov 2012 #73
I know that I may be wrong here, but are you really sure you want to change the rules? hrmjustin Nov 2012 #76
There has to be a way for Obama to fill up the Courts without having to deal with Republican Pirate Smile Nov 2012 #78
Some Democrat better get off his dead ass and fall in line! santamargarita Nov 2012 #79
How are things going in AZ, re: Carmona??? elleng Nov 2012 #85
Down 78,000 votes with a little less than half a million ballots still waiting to be counted Freddie Stubbs Nov 2012 #91
son of a .... warrprayer Nov 2012 #90
Why in the fuck did Feinstein (CA), Kerry (MA) & Inouye (HI) not vote? - This has to pass NOW LaPera Nov 2012 #99
Because they are COWARDS NoodleyAppendage Nov 2012 #104
Oh, come on Canuckistanian Nov 2012 #103
It's not like the vote to end the filibuster on the first day of each session will end it forever.. ancianita Nov 2012 #108
Dear God...are there STILL Senate Dems who base their political appeal Ken Burch Nov 2012 #113
Maine's new Senator Angus King caucused with the Dems and hates the Filibuster jpak Nov 2012 #116
Not a Good Piece of "Reporting" DarthDem Nov 2012 #122
From that article I put us at 49 dsc Nov 2012 #124
Response from Sherrod Brown's office CincyDem Nov 2012 #130
Funny how we're always short of the votes when we most need them. Daniel537 Nov 2012 #134
Isn't it curious. woo me with science Nov 2012 #144
What's the point of this if the GOP has the House? davidn3600 Nov 2012 #140
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