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happyslug

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85. Actually, some Democrat should author a bill PERMITTING Texas to succeed
Fri Nov 9, 2012, 05:25 PM
Nov 2012

The reason is, such a bill can address many of the problems such a "Divorce" will incur.

1. Texas gets more money from the Federal Government then it pays in Taxes. Thus Texas leaving would be a big asset to the remaining USA.

2. Deciding where NASA and the various Military bases will go, the GOP in the rest of the South would jump at the chance to get those units into they home states.

3. Texas is no longer a net oil exporter to the rest of the US (in effect a net importer) thus we can restrict what oil from the Gulf goes to Texas (The biggest off shore oil fields are between Louisiana and Cuba NOT Texas).

4. Social Security can NOT be sent outside the borders of the US, thus anyone in Texas who wants to retain their Social Security will have to move back to the US. Now, if a country signs a "Social Security" Treaty with the US, (and most countries have) it can be sent out, but Congress can add a clause that Texas can NOT sign such a treaty with the US,

5. South Texas is complaining that Mexico is withholding excessive amount of water that would normally flow into the Rio Grande (Mexico makes the same Claim as to Water flowing into the Rio Grande from its headwaters in Colorado, through New Mexico, but the time the Rio Grande reaches El Paso it is bone dry). The US can claim that is a problem between Texas and Mexico and keep the water the flows from Colorado and New Mexico (New Mexico will be happy).

6. The US can establish border stations (and inspection) stations on the Louisiana New Mexico and Oklahoma borders, to make sure only US Citizens cross over.

7. The State of Texas will have to PAY the Federal Government for any Federal Land in Texas. You have to remember, except for the 13 original States, Vermont and Texas, all states were originally 100% Federal owned lands (Under the provisions of the Treaty with Mexico, the US accepted some Mexican land Grants as valid, but even most of the people who owned those lands went through the procedures under the Northwest Ordinance of 1787 as to how that land was to be sold). Texas had pre-annexation land ownership, thus no Federal Land from Day one unlike the rest of the Frontier. Since that time, the US has purchased lands from Texas and Texas land owners. These includes some large training bases. Texas will have to pay for them at the price the US sets (And remember above, these same bases are going to be stripped of equipment and personnel, thus worthless).

8. The above also covers Federal Park Lands, that Texas will have to accept as permanent park land. No money needs change hands, just a clause that Texas can NOT change or sell any of the Former National Park Lands.

9. Officially give the USS Texas to Texas, presently it is a museum but technically still owned by the US Navy (Who does some work on it, including inspections to make sure it is still safe).

10. Give Texas the Inner Coastal waterway alone its coast, It is used by barges to transport goods along the coasts by barge, rather then go by deep ocean ships across the Gulf of Mexico. Presently the inner-coastal is paid for by the Federal Government and is a key to the oil refineries on the coast.

That is just ten things a Bill can mention. Remember the Bill is to SCARE Texas not to actually pass, for every Texas member of Congress will vote against it, the last thing anyone with any brains in Texas (Left wing or Right Wing) is for Texas to be independent. Texas as an independent nation is not viable, it will be gobbled up by the US or Mexico as it quickly finds it can NOT survive alone. Denver will boom, as people coming from Southern California decided to go via Denver to avoid Texas, even if they are going to New Orleans. A lot of the things the Federal Government does is below the surface (for example, welfare, the Feds pay 1/2 of any welfare for Children).

Thus the purpose of such a bill is to Scare Texans to shut these people up, they are COSTS involved with being independent and those costs are incurred at the Federal Level. Texas may NOT want those costs, but will have to incur those costs if it is independent. Costs Texas will do NOT want to incur, but without which the benefits tied in with those costs disappear.

Keep it up, asshole louis-t Nov 2012 #1
I favor allowing all Texas Dems to emigrate to California or New York and then coalition_unwilling Nov 2012 #6
Cost of living in both... awoke_in_2003 Nov 2012 #19
We can use a few more Dems in Ohio, come to think of it. But we coalition_unwilling Nov 2012 #21
Also need Dems in the red state of Georgia.n/t RebelOne Nov 2012 #68
Don't need to give TX back to Mexico, just cut them loose FiveGoodMen Nov 2012 #69
The cost isn't the move.... awoke_in_2003 Nov 2012 #89
Mexico has enough criminals to deal with. louis-t Nov 2012 #111
No No!! Come to North Carolina!! We have good weather and we need Dems!! loudsue Nov 2012 #65
you get what you pay for. olddad56 Nov 2012 #81
I'd just lop off a barren part of texas and let the tea baggers have it all LynneSin Nov 2012 #51
We don't want any more goppers in California, let them Texan goppers migrate to Mississippi. olddad56 Nov 2012 #84
What is he? Just a couple more times, please. :) lexw Nov 2012 #15
To paraphrase Frank Zappa.... Doc Holliday Nov 2012 #38
:D lexw Nov 2012 #77
more of us.... kardonb Nov 2012 #92
I hope he gets his way and Texas really does try an secede from the Union. xtraxritical Nov 2012 #94
As a native Texan, I say F.O. to that a-hole codjh9 Nov 2012 #2
dude, you are welcome to leave if you don't like it SemperEadem Nov 2012 #3
...and take your last two governors with you... lastlib Nov 2012 #52
yes; LOVE IT OR LEAVE it takes on a whole new meaning Skittles Nov 2012 #93
Good grief -- the stupid is strong! Dem2TheCore Nov 2012 #4
Texas can have a divorce; won't be amicable. elleng Nov 2012 #5
Better yet: have Morrison evaluated for the looney bin, I am one of many Republicans who voted ... marble falls Nov 2012 #7
It's too bad there aren't more like you Plucketeer Nov 2012 #42
There's more of us than you think. Boehner. Bachmann, McConnell, Kanter have to go. marble falls Nov 2012 #105
eat it morrison, you racist vermin. My suggestion, start a third party still_one Nov 2012 #8
I'll help you pack! Rider3 Nov 2012 #9
This kind of narrow thinking hurts everyone, including the right. nt ladjf Nov 2012 #10
Yep. lexw Nov 2012 #17
yeah secession worked SO well the first time (not) Phillip McCleod Nov 2012 #11
If they're going to secede... ChaoticTrilby Nov 2012 #12
If they're going to secede... The CCC Nov 2012 #29
My grandaddy and Daddy didn't belong to that party and I'm happy to say that Ecumenist Nov 2012 #35
Indeed. ChaoticTrilby Nov 2012 #73
Sounds great Roy Rolling Nov 2012 #13
I think a new standard in journalism should be set. Any pol/official who talks trash like that valerief Nov 2012 #14
I believe that is called 'sedition' on point Nov 2012 #16
Not all of Texas KatyMan Nov 2012 #18
don't forget about us down here we've been indigo blue for ages! southmost Nov 2012 #56
Why did he mention Vermont? Catherine Vincent Nov 2012 #20
Two possible reasons bigmonkey Nov 2012 #43
Oh I see Catherine Vincent Nov 2012 #106
Sounds like a great idea to me. Amimnoch Nov 2012 #22
not to mention george pee ThomThom Nov 2012 #103
I have an idea for that guy. northoftheborder Nov 2012 #23
THE SOUTH SHALL RISE AGAIN!!! ROBROX Nov 2012 #24
First, give time for all yesphan Nov 2012 #25
Seven Flags Over Texas? displacedtexan Nov 2012 #26
It is people like Morrison martin061360 Nov 2012 #27
Bon Voyage colsohlibgal Nov 2012 #28
They have just totally lost their minds now. The Democratic leadership NEVER does this. progressivebydesign Nov 2012 #30
Actually this could work out great. Add Puerto Rico, delete Texas, no new flag needed. Dollface Nov 2012 #31
trailmonkee Diclotican Nov 2012 #32
My solution: Blue_Tires Nov 2012 #33
and i have a few suggestions, where a extreme teabagger would feel comfortable newspeak Nov 2012 #108
Republicans are Finally Blowing a Gasket Everywhere. Megahurtz Nov 2012 #34
:rolleyes: adieu Nov 2012 #36
The teabaggers days are numbered. gademocrat7 Nov 2012 #37
No, it's going to get worse. The Doctor. Nov 2012 #55
Remember how well that went for you guys in 1865, Pete. Ken Burch Nov 2012 #39
The Crazy Republican Party may have control over the state for now martin061360 Nov 2012 #40
Why it can't be "Amicable" ThoughtCriminal Nov 2012 #41
Maybe it's just me...but calling people "maggots" ain't all that amiable. Ken Burch Nov 2012 #44
Fine with me... IthinkThereforeIAM Nov 2012 #45
As a Texan in temporary residence in South Dakota, SDjack Nov 2012 #46
Because that whole secession thing worked so well last time Patiod Nov 2012 #47
from the Star-Telegram article: mahatmakanejeeves Nov 2012 #48
Poor nutjobs. Don't you get the feeling they're just a tad unhappy? Sarah Ibarruri Nov 2012 #49
Proud Maggot Checking In! Ikonoklast Nov 2012 #50
Actually Kelvin Mace Nov 2012 #53
I'm a native Texan Red State Prisoner Nov 2012 #54
definitely on borrow time! southmost Nov 2012 #60
Okay 3, 2, 1 Carolina Nov 2012 #57
Sedition? Or Treason? truthisfreedom Nov 2012 #58
If minority voters are the problem... PossumSqueezins Nov 2012 #59
Please go. That will immediately put 6.8% of total federal spending back in the budget! sinkingfeeling Nov 2012 #61
I really don't have a problem with this bigworld Nov 2012 #62
Let them secede. NickB79 Nov 2012 #63
Fine by me..be sure to take Alabama and Mississippi with you too SpartanDem Nov 2012 #64
Do it already and stop talking shit, mofo. n/t Daniel537 Nov 2012 #66
I am sure Texan Democrats might have something to say about secession lumpy Nov 2012 #67
But I thought Republicans LOVED this country! demwing Nov 2012 #70
You have to follow the link to the Star-Telegram to see the full racist idiocy muriel_volestrangler Nov 2012 #71
And people wonder how the hell demwing Nov 2012 #72
Didn't this happen in 2009? LeftInTX Nov 2012 #74
My words to him would be, "Don't let the door hit you in the bum on the way out." nt Still Blue in PDX Nov 2012 #75
More misguided factionalism and dysfunctional divisiveness from dolts and nincompoops LanternWaste Nov 2012 #76
Picture this: truthisfreedom Nov 2012 #78
He can divorce USA & go live in Costa Rica or Nigeria or Turkmenistan any time he wants to. nt Bernardo de La Paz Nov 2012 #79
Please, not Costa Rica. Somalia or Saudi Arabia would be better for him. DinahMoeHum Nov 2012 #87
Exactly! "The Ticos with their pura vida culture are way too progressive for his kind." Bernardo de La Paz Nov 2012 #97
This moran forgets there are liberals in Texas, too treestar Nov 2012 #80
It's terrible how much I'm enjoying this. yardwork Nov 2012 #82
You too, Yardwork? I am also enjoying this..... Pachamama Nov 2012 #104
I know! lol! yardwork Nov 2012 #107
Typical undignified comment coming from GOP party official. Sour Grapes perhaps? olddad56 Nov 2012 #83
Actually, some Democrat should author a bill PERMITTING Texas to succeed happyslug Nov 2012 #85
I say we create a new section of the Rio Grande, forming a large island... Tyrs WolfDaemon Nov 2012 #86
Fuck this guy They_Live Nov 2012 #88
Thanks, we'll just be closing all the military bases Kingofalldems Nov 2012 #90
Now THAT would be a good idea! lexx21 Nov 2012 #95
Seditious Texas GOP douchebags can move to Iran jpak Nov 2012 #91
Pete Morrison you are the maggot Shilo Nov 2012 #96
Sounds like the last gasp of these hate mongers. graywarrior Nov 2012 #98
Texas is part of the US. Pete don't like it here? Then he can move somewheres else struggle4progress Nov 2012 #99
And here's a statement from the mainstream Texas GOP condemning Morrison: Adenoid_Hynkel Nov 2012 #100
Let them go. Obama can balance the budget (almost), not by raising taxes Dont_Bogart_the_Pretzel Nov 2012 #101
By 2018 Texas will be turning blue... IrishAle Nov 2012 #102
let's think of the rational people of texas newspeak Nov 2012 #109
Maggots, it's a step up from "liberal cesspool".... Darth_Kitten Nov 2012 #110
What's funny is that in 20 years, these people won't be running Texas at all. David__77 Nov 2012 #112
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