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In reply to the discussion: Pfc. Bradley Manning offers guilty plea in Wikileaks case [View all]treestar
(82,383 posts)117. No, your debating skills are poor
You keep sidestepping the issue and that's why posters are saying the same thing over and over again.
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I think your post should note that it is Manning's defense attorney that is pushing the gender
msanthrope
Nov 2012
#21
I doubt, however, that he is a condescending hypocrite who selectively ignores his own tagline
cprise
Nov 2012
#84
Manning had the choice to tell Kucinich, Sanders, or Franken, and he would have been
msanthrope
Nov 2012
#88
As has been pointed out, he could have used the Military Whistleblowers Protection Act.
randome
Nov 2012
#61
Well, the sheer volume, and his written statements to Lamo indicate that he could not
msanthrope
Nov 2012
#16
Okay..but that has nothing to do with the fact that Manning could not have possibly read
msanthrope
Nov 2012
#77
All of which he can argue at his sentencing--that he took special care while breaking the law. nt
msanthrope
Nov 2012
#107
Also should mention only Wikileaks had a safe tech infrastructure for whistleblowing
cprise
Nov 2012
#172
You know what would be fantastic. If you chose to learn what Manning actually did
sabrina 1
Nov 2012
#9
He had the option of turning stuff over under the Military Whistleblowers Protection Act of 1988--
msanthrope
Nov 2012
#20
Well, sadly, if he had just googled more, he could have used the Military Whistelblowers Protection
msanthrope
Nov 2012
#26
No, he did not. He had already reported war crimes and had been told to shut up about
sabrina 1
Nov 2012
#39
I see you know nothing about this case as I suspected. If you have to ask me what
sabrina 1
Nov 2012
#49
Then enlighten us please. What did Manning do before he decided that reporting war
sabrina 1
Nov 2012
#54
Nothing as far as I can see - that is why you need to substantiate your assertion
hack89
Nov 2012
#70
She needs to send it on to Manning's attorneys---they seem to have missed it. nt
msanthrope
Nov 2012
#78
Please post what 'shit' I made up. And try to calm down. You don't know anything about
sabrina 1
Nov 2012
#98
So his claim that his chain of command ignored him is at the center of his defense .. oh wait.
hack89
Nov 2012
#97
Have you asked your friends to produce something to show that any investigation
sabrina 1
Nov 2012
#140
Kindly show us where Manning used the Military Whistleblowers Protection Act of 1988, as you claim?
msanthrope
Nov 2012
#48
So you cannot document the legal steps Manning took? Why not just admit that? nt
msanthrope
Nov 2012
#53
Strange, did you just copy and paste Hack's comment which I just responded to?
sabrina 1
Nov 2012
#55
No, I think great minds think alike. Still waiting for you to document your claim, though. nt
msanthrope
Nov 2012
#64
Again, you aren't documenting your claim, but are expecting others to do it for you.
msanthrope
Nov 2012
#75
This is getting ridiculous. Please read the thread as you clearly have not, nor have you
sabrina 1
Nov 2012
#186
There's no way he read 491,000 War Logs. That's not even the hundreds of thousands of cables.
msanthrope
Nov 2012
#19
Of course it is. Protecting our war criminals is of primary importance in this society
sabrina 1
Nov 2012
#35
What a ridiculous suggestion. Name ONE just ONE Whistle Blower who was protected by
sabrina 1
Nov 2012
#188
Partly that but it's mostly to protect the Bush war criminals who were exposed in the
sabrina 1
Nov 2012
#15
Hopefully his willingness to admit to lesser charges will get dismissals on the others.
freshwest
Nov 2012
#6
He exposed Bush war crimes. Too bad just about everyone has covered up for Cheney,
sabrina 1
Nov 2012
#10
The only way to bring Bush and Cheney to trial would be to have certain conditions on the ground.
freshwest
Nov 2012
#38
Good post. I have only relatively recently discovered the lack of justice for many
sabrina 1
Nov 2012
#47
He did expose them legally. He was ignored. Then became a Whistle Blower which he
sabrina 1
Nov 2012
#139
Um, no, I did no such thing, I said he used what was legally available to him, he
sabrina 1
Nov 2012
#161
The oath he took convicted him. No way to get that job without promising to NOT do what he did.
freshwest
Nov 2012
#41
He could have used the Military Whistleblwoers Protection Act of 1988--but that would not have
msanthrope
Nov 2012
#45
Please post a link to information on just ONE whistle blower who 'received the
sabrina 1
Nov 2012
#56
(Facepalm) Sabrina, that you don't know that Ellsburg couldn't have used the
msanthrope
Nov 2012
#76
I'm having a hard time distinguishing you and Hack from each other frankly. Sorry
sabrina 1
Nov 2012
#80
Manning could have gone to Kucinich, Sanders, Franken...he went to Assange. That
msanthrope
Nov 2012
#91
Again, kindly cite when and where Manning reported crimes to his superior officers. nt
msanthrope
Nov 2012
#106
You made the assertion Sabrina; it's up to you to prove it. It's not up to the rest of us
msanthrope
Nov 2012
#156
What claim? What are you talking about? I stated the facts of this case as they are known
sabrina 1
Nov 2012
#174
You mean 'that's why two of the usual posters are playing the same old games'. I am having
sabrina 1
Nov 2012
#138
Irony is not dead. Lol! Maybe you can give a direct response to the question they, and you
sabrina 1
Nov 2012
#148
I met Ellsberg at Rice University where he met with students, inspired us to go to D.C.
freshwest
Nov 2012
#109
I hope he didn't crave adulation; I feel he was caught up. I remember when all of these great
freshwest
Nov 2012
#58
Indeed. In exactly the same way that Ellsberg's treachery aided the NVA and NLF. n/t
Smarmie Doofus
Nov 2012
#31
And Ellsburg would have been convicted--had the FBI refrained from wiretapping him. nt
msanthrope
Nov 2012
#36
Um--that's what a guilty plea is. Admitting you were wrong. Think there won't be allocution?
msanthrope
Nov 2012
#50
No, it's admitting that you did something...not that you were wrong TO do it.
Ken Burch
Nov 2012
#62
I have clients who think that way, and they have the rap sheets to prove it.
msanthrope
Nov 2012
#65
Of course you have the right to put conscience before law. What you don't have is right to avoid
msanthrope
Nov 2012
#170
Show one post where I said that the people shouldn't discuss what the Govt. does?
glacierbay
Nov 2012
#126
I agree with you--he's got lots of mitigating factors to be considered in his sentencing. nt
msanthrope
Nov 2012
#159
Oh you're so right about that. 'It's more depressing to want the law to apply
sabrina 1
Nov 2012
#142