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33. It really isn't better for the atmosphere

Fri Mar 25, 2022, 11:22 PM

Mar 2022

https://thehill.com/policy/energy-environment/594377-new-study-casts-doubt-on-ethanols-climate-benefits

A new study is casting doubt on the climate benefits of using ethanol as a fuel, finding that it may actually contribute more to global warming than gasoline.

Researchers found that emissions from changes in land use to account for the growing demand for corn make corn-based ethanol no cleaner than gasoline.

In fact, they determined that these changes likely make ethanol's emissions at least 24 percent higher than those for gasoline, according to their study, which was published in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences.

High corn prices due to ethanol motivated a lot of farmers to clear forests and plow under CRP land that stored a lot of carbon.

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Biden Says to Expect 'Real' Food Shortages Due to Ukraine War [View all] TheProle Mar 2022 OP

Well, time for the corporate thieves to start jacking prices now intrepidity Mar 2022 #1

I lived through World War Ii food shortage. I remember there was no butter only horrid margarine. katmondoo Mar 2022 #2

And it was as white as lard, trof Mar 2022 #4

I remember that. As kids we used to argue over who got to squeeze the bag justhanginon Mar 2022 #14

The little orange dye packet wasn't due to the war jmowreader Mar 2022 #20

but it was yellow...? Evolve Dammit Mar 2022 #6

It was yellow because it came with a tablet that you had to mix into this lard looking yukki stuff. katmondoo Mar 2022 #9

I know. I was joking. My depression era parents told me all about it! They didn't complain though. Evolve Dammit Mar 2022 #13

My dad was brought up on a dairy farm during the war. roamer65 Mar 2022 #12

I for one plan on being a "happy warrior." This country will not be as affected, but if there's PortTack Mar 2022 #3

Same Evolve Dammit Mar 2022 #5

Let's remember the ration cards of WWII Marthe48 Mar 2022 #7

Todays population would've never lasted thru WW2. oldsoftie Mar 2022 #15

Stop growing corn for ethanol, convert those fields to wheat NOW! Nt Fiendish Thingy Mar 2022 #8

Not quite that easy. roamer65 Mar 2022 #10

Non-ethanol fuel gives more power and better mileage. oldsoftie Mar 2022 #17

Rice is the most subsidized cash crop in the United States. roamer65 Mar 2022 #22

But corn also gets Dept of Energy subsidies that the other don't oldsoftie Mar 2022 #27

Cotton is very subsidized and hard on the environment. roamer65 Mar 2022 #30

Ethanol corn takes up the space that could be used to grow food for starving people Fiendish Thingy Mar 2022 #18

Less Russia and Saudi Arabia in my tank is a good thing. roamer65 Mar 2022 #21

It really isn't better for the atmosphere NickB79 Mar 2022 #33

Better than Russian and Saudi petroleum in my tank. roamer65 Mar 2022 #34

And melt the ice caps in the process, dooming billions NickB79 Mar 2022 #37

If you heat your home, drive your car, turn on your lights...etc, etc roamer65 Mar 2022 #38

You're actively choosing and promoting a worse fuel NickB79 Mar 2022 #39

Wrong. roamer65 Mar 2022 #40

California farmers have some surpluses and could use the sales Auggie Mar 2022 #11

One more reason to learn how to cook Warpy Mar 2022 #16

My current food costs are the lowest they have ever been, PoindexterOglethorpe Mar 2022 #19

Most Ukrainian wheat is bought by the Middle East, South Asia, North Africa IronLionZion Mar 2022 #23

plant hemp instead RussBLib Mar 2022 #24

THIS RIGHT HERE!!! oldsoftie Mar 2022 #26

The best crops for ethanol production are sugarcane and switchgrass, hands down. roamer65 Mar 2022 #35

How is hemp supposed to replace wheat DenaliDemocrat Mar 2022 #28

you can make bread and cereal from hemp RussBLib Mar 2022 #29

I'm guessing this will mostly be relatively minor inconveniences for us in wealthier nations Sapient Donkey Mar 2022 #25

India, Pakistan, the ME and Africa are screwed if Ukraine doesn't ship grains. roamer65 Mar 2022 #36

Canada, Russia and Belarus are the top potash suppliers womanofthehills Mar 2022 #31

I was planning orangecrush Mar 2022 #32