Yes, and there was zero proof of (Reply #29)

In the discussion thread: Lance Armstrong Is Stripped of His 7 Tour de France Titles [View all]

Mon Oct 22, 2012, 07:42 AM

lalalu (1,663 posts)

29. Yes, and there was zero proof of

doping. It was all innuendo and stories.

The same accusations use to be made about people convicted in similar ways. Gee, you mean the whole village is in cahoots to convict you of being a witch? Gee, you mean the whole congress and American government is in cahoots to convict you of being a communist? Gee, you mean the whole French government is in cahoots to tarnish and imprison you Alfred Dreyfus?

In all cases the answer was yes. It is not as farfetched as you think. People with personal vendettas can have powerful allies.

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130 replies	Author	Time	Post
Lance Armstrong Is Stripped of His 7 Tour de France Titles [View all]	DanTex	Oct 2012	OP
They can say that all they want,	naaman fletcher	Oct 2012	#1
I disagree...	kayakjohnny	Oct 2012	#6
Hank Aaron heard the same	lalalu	Oct 2012	#12
It's not my opinion alone... This list puts Lance at #5. But still has Merckx as the best.	kayakjohnny	Oct 2012	#16
Everyone is entitled to their opinion.	lalalu	Oct 2012	#32
What does Lance Armstrong have to do with "change"?	DanTex	Oct 2012	#79
Did you read the previous posts?	lalalu	Oct 2012	#88
"There are some people who can't accept records being broken by new people."	DanTex	Oct 2012	#98
Maybe you missed it but some people wanted to strip Phelps for	lalalu	Oct 2012	#102
I don't remember anyone wanting to strip his medals for smoking a joint.	DanTex	Oct 2012	#105
They wanted to penalize Phelps.	lalalu	Oct 2012	#106
Whoever "they" is, "they" obviously didn't actually get very far in their anti-Phelps vendetta.	DanTex	Oct 2012	#109
eleven people plus docs. he is guilty or he would fight it	roguevalley	Oct 2012	#72
He survived a 2 year DOJ investigation and passed over 500 drug tests.	Bo	Oct 2012	#111
OH? What if its a new drug the tests arent designed to detect or if its one the body	cstanleytech	Oct 2012	#130
Mercx was busted for doping once as well.	Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin	Oct 2012	#37
Ok fair enough	naaman fletcher	Oct 2012	#41
It's not quite that simple.	DanTex	Oct 2012	#82
He's the best of his time.	wilt the stilt	Oct 2012	#114
Another vote here for Merckx	Retrograde	Oct 2012	#86
I agree 100%	lalalu	Oct 2012	#9
yep.	PatrynXX	Oct 2012	#63
What a crock. One of the biggest cheats ever and a disgrace to the sport according to the	byeya	Oct 2012	#80
Absolutely!	Major Hogwash	Oct 2012	#83
he is a doper and a cheat, glad to see him stripped	Trivium	Oct 2012	#99
Nope. The cannibal reigns supreme....	cliffordu	Oct 2012	#100
If he's the best cyclist ever. . .	BigDemVoter	Oct 2012	#110
No, Peewee is.	Arugula Latte	Oct 2012	#113
Good. He was a fake.	darkangel218	Oct 2012	#2
nasty much?	Duppers	Oct 2012	#19
I have no respect for cheats and thieves.	darkangel218	Oct 2012	#21
+1	sarcasmo	Oct 2012	#54
I THOUGHT HE PASSED OVER 300 DRUG TESTS....	Bo	Oct 2012	#68
watch cycling much?	wilt the stilt	Oct 2012	#115
I'm sure lancy will be okay in the morning...	snooper2	Oct 2012	#36
why is it nasty to speak the truth?	adigal	Oct 2012	#43
way to ruin 7 yrs of other peoples hard work by cheating. truly disgusting. i have no respect	seabeyond	Oct 2012	#3
you're right about that	RedstDem	Oct 2012	#23
I don't think anyone will be named as the winner for those 7 years	muriel_volestrangler	Oct 2012	#31
The issue at hand is...	Javaman	Oct 2012	#74
Ha Ha ha	wilt the stilt	Oct 2012	#116
I don't know what's worse - a quitter or a cheater.	closeupready	Oct 2012	#4
WADA was run by Dick Pound	cleduc	Oct 2012	#5
I wish he were publicly tarred, feathered and	cosmicone	Oct 2012	#7
When does he give back all the money he stole?	CBGLuthier	Oct 2012	#8
A lot of sports bettors are probably pissed off about this.	closeupready	Oct 2012	#65
This is nothing but a personal vendetta.	lalalu	Oct 2012	#10
I think is more than " personal stories " to prove he dopped. n/t	darkangel218	Oct 2012	#13
Where is there more?	lalalu	Oct 2012	#15
Then how come he is not " defending " himself?	darkangel218	Oct 2012	#18
That sounds just like the Salem Witch trial.	lalalu	Oct 2012	#24
Oh please...	darkangel218	Oct 2012	#28
Where is there proof he doped?	lalalu	Oct 2012	#30
Only extremely deluded people would overlook	cosmicone	Oct 2012	#35
Only vicious people attack and convict on innuendo.	lalalu	Oct 2012	#39
Since when is sworn testimony of 25 witnesses "nothing but stories"?	DanTex	Oct 2012	#45
Yes, because "eyewitness" testimony	lalalu	Oct 2012	#46
So are you saying that all 25 eyewitnesses are lying under oath?	DanTex	Oct 2012	#49
Historically people	lalalu	Oct 2012	#57
How do you feel about, say, Jerry Sandusky? Another witch-hunt victim?	DanTex	Oct 2012	#66
Actually Sandusky admitted to his actions.	lalalu	Oct 2012	#67
Umm... Sandusky pleaded not guilty and continues to maintain his innocence.	DanTex	Oct 2012	#69
He admitted to actions that resulted in his conviction.	lalalu	Oct 2012	#89
No he didn't. You are unable to defend your position without making false claims.	DanTex	Oct 2012	#95
Is there something wrong with you?	lalalu	Oct 2012	#103
Sorry, painting me as a pedophile sympathizer doesn't help your case.	DanTex	Oct 2012	#108
no.you are being silly. not every event is a conspiracy	roguevalley	Oct 2012	#73
That was said about every conspiracy before it was exposed.	lalalu	Oct 2012	#90
We know you're into hero worship	cosmicone	Oct 2012	#50
lol!! n/t	darkangel218	Oct 2012	#55
So now you think you "know" me?	lalalu	Oct 2012	#59
It is some sort of vendetta	RedstDem	Oct 2012	#20
That is what bothers me the most.	lalalu	Oct 2012	#26
Full of S%^T!	djg21	Oct 2012	#40
The first sign that someone is losing	lalalu	Oct 2012	#42
Personal attacks?	darkangel218	Oct 2012	#52
Once again you ignore proof.	lalalu	Oct 2012	#60
So all the cyclists who've come forward, the French officials who'd suspected him for a long time...	marmar	Oct 2012	#17
Yes, and there was zero proof of	lalalu	Oct 2012	#29
You obviously don't know what you're talking about. You should never comment on cycling again. n/t	Dawgs	Oct 2012	#33
Wow, so your response is to shut me down because	lalalu	Oct 2012	#34
If you have no idea what you're talking about, you probably shouldn't comment.	djg21	Oct 2012	#38
So to call a doper a doper is a personal vendetta?	adigal	Oct 2012	#44
Yeah, they did the same thing to Jerry Sandusky.	Nye Bevan	Oct 2012	#47
bullshit. there was simply massive and clear evidence.	cali	Oct 2012	#51
Really? His team blew the whistle on him and it's a witch hunt?	sarcasmo	Oct 2012	#56
I bet you think Mark McGwire was clean too.	_ed_	Oct 2012	#112
Fuckin' shame.	Frank Cannon	Oct 2012	#11
Can't argue with you about the worship of sports figures. I think it's ridiculous also.	calimary	Oct 2012	#97
It's hard out here for an Armstrong nt	MrScorpio	Oct 2012	#14
They should have had a doping amnesty for all these old guys	Lars77	Oct 2012	#22
So if everybody does it, it's OK?	Nye Bevan	Oct 2012	#48
You cannot apply todays standards on yesterdays cyclists.	Lars77	Oct 2012	#64
Armstrong's legacy needs a thorough re-examination.	Boabab	Oct 2012	#25
A pity, but correct decision	Franker65	Oct 2012	#27
Good! Now if baseball would strip Sosa, Bonds, McGwire and the rest of the roid bunch it would	sarcasmo	Oct 2012	#53
Agree. Baseball needs to get serious about PEDs and rid the sport of cheats.	byeya	Oct 2012	#81
61 in 61 still the record.	sarcasmo	Oct 2012	#92
All our heroes are bastards	slackmaster	Oct 2012	#58
spigotty ones?	darkangel218	Oct 2012	#61
They leak and drip and drive us insane with their noises	slackmaster	Oct 2012	#62
All 'heroes' are human beings.	randome	Oct 2012	#87
AND... he's probably no longer running to be governor of Texas.	proverbialwisdom	Oct 2012	#70
So what is the take away from all this?	Javaman	Oct 2012	#71
no one likes him. hes mean to others.	roguevalley	Oct 2012	#76
he certainly didn't help himself.	Javaman	Oct 2012	#77
Having spent some time in racing in my teen years,	Art_from_Ark	Oct 2012	#118
There is that too. nt	Javaman	Oct 2012	#119
The organized scam by the spandex clowns is over	jsr	Oct 2012	#75
Cancer survivors still love him because "It's Not About The Bike."	proverbialwisdom	Oct 2012	#78
They're the only ones.	closeupready	Oct 2012	#93
TDF Can't Find Anyone to Award His Titles To, Because they ALL Did It	AndyTiedye	Oct 2012	#84
Apparently the entire sport has become corrupted and needs to be labeled as such.	humblebum	Oct 2012	#85
If all cyclists dope, TV coverage/sponsorship should end	closeupready	Oct 2012	#94
Well of course this is a huge smear campaign against a conpletely innocent person.	Safetykitten	Oct 2012	#91
I thought that at first, too, but there is just too much to deny. However,	humblebum	Oct 2012	#96
Update: SCA Promotions wants its $7.5M back.	DanTex	Oct 2012	#101
Seriously depressing... I was a huge fan... watched almost all those tours	budkin	Oct 2012	#104
Does this mean that Miguel Indurain (the modest champion) is the greatest ever?	Supersedeas	Oct 2012	#107
LOL	taught_me_patience	Oct 2012	#125
What a Con Job	elbloggoZY27	Oct 2012	#117
Ah the puritan hand-wringing over obvious chemical assistance	dmallind	Oct 2012	#120
I suppose it is rather convenient in this day and age to label	LanternWaste	Oct 2012	#121
Desire? Perhaps valid. Expectation? Naive in the extreme, and repeatedly shown to be so.	dmallind	Oct 2012	#123
Here's what professional cycling needs to do. Draw a line in the sand and invalidate EVERYONE'S...	Locut0s	Oct 2012	#122
Cheating and lying are fine as long as you're not caught	andym	Oct 2012	#124
Spam deleted by gkhouston (MIR Team)	Dubster	Oct 2012	#126
What an asshole.	Prometheus Bound	Oct 2012	#127
The apology Lance Armstrong will never give	Prometheus Bound	Oct 2012	#128
Lance Armstrong is the Bernie Madoff of charities	jsr	Oct 2012	#129

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