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freshwest

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114. My post was not apology, you owe me one, but I won't hold my breath. Read the sign in the OP.
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 02:19 PM
Oct 2012

Last edited Sat Oct 20, 2012, 11:53 PM - Edit history (2)

It says NDAA = GITMO for Everyone. Did it happen? No, it didn't, so it wasn't true.

Was he punished for exercising free speech or for encouraging the loons who want to kill Obama on his website? Is that hate speech, incitement to kill, or fine with everyone as the rigbtwingers say?

The story and picture are out of line to the event, feeding on CT fears. The military has different rules and he knew that. The story reeks of Tea hysteria. It doesn't give much in the way of facts, just goes whole hog on CT.

Where were the baggers when Bush and the GOP passed the Patriot Act, started up the TSA, and passed the continuing NDAAs of the past?

Nowhere until an upstart (in their special world view) got into the White House. Since then we've been treated to birtherism, Islamophobia, Police State charges on everything, as if something is going on that hasn't gone on before. This guy is an associate of Alex Jones and the patriot extremists. A short list of his films:

Police State I, II, etc, Terror Storm, End Game, The Obama Deception.
And this guy was armed. A group of armed guys killed some people in their attempt to kill Obama, overthrow the government, take over an army base to start a resurrection, etc. :

Juan Cole on the white terrorist plot to assassinate the Commander in Chief

If one of them were named Mohammed, we'd be hearing a lot more about this.

http://readersupportednews.org/opinion2/277-75/13166-white-terrorist-plot-to-assassinate-the-commander-in-chief

A white terrorist cell on a military base in Georgia plotted to assassinate President Barack Obama and stage a military coup. It murdered two former members of the cell. It bought $87,000 of military grade weaponry and land in Washington state. It planned to bomb a dam in Washington and poison its apple crop. It planned to take over Fort Stewart in Georgia.

The National Security Agency is massively and illegally spying on ordinary Americans. Peace activists are bothered by police and put on watch lists. Journalists like Amy Goodman have been beaten up for covering peaceful protests. The NYPD conducted extensive espionage on American citizens of Muslim heritage not only in NYC but far beyond their jurisdiction. Rep. Peter King of New York keeps holding hearings on the alleged radicalization of American Muslims (who are mostly pillars of the American establishment; King himself supports IRA terrorism).

But extremist white Christian soldiers want to kill the president and privately stockhold thousands of dollars worth of military grade weapons? Apparently if they hadn't started murdering people they could have flown under the radar on all that.

All those right wing politicians and commentators who kept hammering Obama as a foreigner, a Muslim, illegitimate, a budding dictator– they created the hothouse atmosphere that fostered this kind of evil.


http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021223239

See what hothouse this guy was heating up here:

http://patriotsforamerica.ning.com/

People here can excuse the Obama hatred, but the fact is others have fallen victim to Tea terrorism that are much lower on the totem pole. Need I cite the examples to show why perhaps the military had other reasons other than this restricting this innocent lamb from flying with them?

The Jonesers and baggers have a goal that is against the purposes of DU. Not progressive, not liberal, not Democratic. In fact, against all of that. The end result of their agitation and fearmongering is libertarian paradise, no police, fire department, taxes, military, no government, just the big bigots with money and no respect running the show in a Christofascist nightmare for millions, but the dream of the Koch family.

I don't see this crowd he's a part of, located down in Texas, getting worked up about equal rights for all, a woman's right to choose, redefining rape, forcing women to consent to visitations of their chidren by rapists as is now legal in 27 states, telling them to stay at home with abusive spouses, transvaginal ultrasounds, etc.

They approve of banning all abortion, even at the cost of the mother's life. They want government, regulations, laws against discrimination. all of it swept away. So their much ballyhooed view of civil rights and authoritarianism don't move me.

When they start to care about the people I do, who are in the gunsights of these promoters of Teaparty values and shutting down others' right to speak, as they have done since the ACA was proposed, and at gunpoint and with acts of terror against citizens, I'll worry about their concerns, because they don't give a damn about mine.

That picture is false advertising. He was left in Paradise, not flown to Purgatory. freshwest Oct 2012 #1
If you don't want to be in ''paradise''..... DeSwiss Oct 2012 #7
Being inconvenienced is neither purgatory nor hell. Just sayin' freshwest Oct 2012 #26
Wow. Just... wow. Being stranded thousands of miles from home and family is "inconvenienced"? PavePusher Oct 2012 #194
'Fuck. That. Vile. Noise.' that I said that you didn't like. Did you read further down the thread? freshwest Oct 2012 #198
Shame on you. Apologizing for a police state. JackRiddler Oct 2012 #74
It was a military flight. What rights did he have to fly a military flight after he lost his msanthrope Oct 2012 #89
How about armed Birther Prepper nutbags? Just like everyone else, right? freshwest Oct 2012 #115
The same right any military spouse has. And why did he lose his clearances? sabrina 1 Oct 2012 #121
See post 125. nt msanthrope Oct 2012 #128
My post was not apology, you owe me one, but I won't hold my breath. Read the sign in the OP. freshwest Oct 2012 #114
He was on a military flight, no less. The military does not have to fly an asshole who msanthrope Oct 2012 #85
His wife is in the military. So you want him punished by depriving him of privileges all military sabrina 1 Oct 2012 #124
I am the "asshole's" wife... ekb Oct 2012 #156
If you are that asshole's wife, then I can only congratulate you, Lieutenant, on your msanthrope Oct 2012 #158
1 Post? brooklynite Oct 2012 #163
This dude is a 9/11 truther and Tea Party activist in Mississippi. Far-rightwing sources struggle4progress Oct 2012 #2
And what do his political views have to do with this? Is it a crime now to have political views sabrina 1 Oct 2012 #9
I absolutely support putting people on the No-Fly based on their beliefs. I'd have started with the msanthrope Oct 2012 #65
Wow ... Nihil Oct 2012 #69
I have no doubt Luis Carriles claims to be a Christian. But I'd gladly add msanthrope Oct 2012 #81
I'd say I'm glad you're not in a position of power ... Nihil Oct 2012 #93
Tell me, please, why a military flight must carry a person who has lost his msanthrope Oct 2012 #94
Read my first post on this thread and your post to which it applied. Nihil Oct 2012 #155
Well, yes, you are defending this man. It's not my fault you didn't avail yourself msanthrope Oct 2012 #157
If you knew how to read, you wouldn't have written that reply. Nihil Oct 2012 #202
Are you comparing terrorist suspects to Americans who belong to the Republican Party or the sabrina 1 Oct 2012 #70
No, I'm comparing terrorists to a kook no military flight should have to countenance. msanthrope Oct 2012 #82
He's a kook ... sabrina 1 Oct 2012 #96
Speech is protected. Military flights subsidized by the taxpayers are not. nt msanthrope Oct 2012 #104
And when critics of Bush landed on the No Fly List you no doubt fully supported sabrina 1 Oct 2012 #108
Explain to me how this dude is owed a tax-payer subsidized military flight? Because he msanthrope Oct 2012 #113
That did not address my question. Never mind 'this dude'. You stated that sabrina 1 Oct 2012 #118
see post 125. nt msanthrope Oct 2012 #126
I saw it, it doesn't answer the question. sabrina 1 Oct 2012 #132
Military flights for dependents are not regulated by political beliefs, nor should they be... PavePusher Oct 2012 #195
Mere thoughts should indeed, prevent and deny people from many things, including flight LanternWaste Oct 2012 #83
This was a military flight. If you depict the CIC burning the Constiution, host a website calling msanthrope Oct 2012 #91
You appear to be adding additional qualifiers to your original premise of mere thought. LanternWaste Oct 2012 #100
LA--how do we know thoughts? Through speech and action. I'm not a mind reader. But if msanthrope Oct 2012 #105
Then you are no different from Joe McCarthy n/t markpkessinger Oct 2012 #197
You don't read carefully or well. Let me repeat what I said: "I'll want a much better source struggle4progress Oct 2012 #67
RT is more far more reputable than CNN, Fox and most of our Corporate run 'news' organizations sabrina 1 Oct 2012 #71
Allow me to explain to you just how far you've wandered into the land of fruitcakes and mixed nuts struggle4progress Oct 2012 #73
Your nasty persoal attacks mean nothing to me, so I will not alert on them but rather let them sabrina 1 Oct 2012 #80
Get this--Wade Hicks was on a military flight--imagine that!!! The parasite is wondering msanthrope Oct 2012 #86
And?? Apparently his wife is in the military. I will ask again. Since when did political speech sabrina 1 Oct 2012 #99
You can say what you wish. But speech is not without consequences. nt msanthrope Oct 2012 #102
Was this your position for Progressives sabrina 1 Oct 2012 #109
Explain to me how a taxpayer subsidized military flight is protected under the Constitution? nt msanthrope Oct 2012 #112
I asked you a question first. I will answer yours when you answer mine. sabrina 1 Oct 2012 #117
Your question is flawed because you conflate rights with privileges. Further, msanthrope Oct 2012 #125
My question is pretty straightforward. If the Government punishes someone for sabrina 1 Oct 2012 #131
No--your question is flawed. You are conflating a right with a privilege. Mr. Hicks retains his msanthrope Oct 2012 #134
Amazing. Here let me try to make it as simple as possible. sabrina 1 Oct 2012 #137
Are you asserting that a taxpayer subsidized military flight is a right? Or a privilege? nt msanthrope Oct 2012 #139
Should a person be punished by the military by removing their PRIVILEGES because of their sabrina 1 Oct 2012 #141
Okay--so this is a privilege, right? Do you have an actual case of someone from the Bush era, or is msanthrope Oct 2012 #143
Is flying on commercial airlines a right or a privilege? sabrina 1 Oct 2012 #162
Travel is a right; flying on commercial airlines is a privilege subject to rules. msanthrope Oct 2012 #168
You haven't answered a single one of my very simple questions so far. sabrina 1 Oct 2012 #170
Um--just answered the question you posted in 162. Apparently you do not like that answer and are on msanthrope Oct 2012 #173
And once again, you do not answer the question. sabrina 1 Oct 2012 #183
Sabrina, I think you got Parlocked. msanthrope Oct 2012 #184
What I didn't get was an answer to a simple question even though I very patiently tried for more sabrina 1 Oct 2012 #188
taken to its logical conclusion Dokkie Oct 2012 #193
You say tax payers provided flight Dokkie Oct 2012 #191
The military prohibits expressions of disrespect for the CiC jberryhill Oct 2012 #201
Incredible, isn't it? JackRiddler Oct 2012 #76
Yes, incredible the reaction to any kind of free press in this country. I remember the hatred sabrina 1 Oct 2012 #97
No, but it's intuitive to know he's a fucking loon and believes in crazy shit.. snooper2 Oct 2012 #120
I agree with you. alarimer Oct 2012 #133
Hang the heretic! JackRiddler Oct 2012 #75
That's not what I've said: I've said I don't trust him and don't believe his story struggle4progress Oct 2012 #129
Douglas Hagmann BTW is another rightwinger, whose views are promoted by Alex Jones struggle4progress Oct 2012 #3
indeed... loop204 Oct 2012 #5
No, it's not. RT is one of the best Progressive news organizations sabrina 1 Oct 2012 #10
That's not true. dipsydoodle Oct 2012 #63
Thank you for posting actual facts. sabrina 1 Oct 2012 #111
And again, what does any of that have to do with an American Citizen being put on Bush's sabrina 1 Oct 2012 #15
Listen carefully: I think his tale might be untrue. Let me say that a few more ways: struggle4progress Oct 2012 #66
RT in NOT a credible news source loop204 Oct 2012 #4
RT is one of the MOST credible news sources on TV. Unless you don't like sabrina 1 Oct 2012 #11
Thanks for the welcome... loop204 Oct 2012 #16
RT often posts news, they ARE based in DC btw, before other news sources get them I've noticed. sabrina 1 Oct 2012 #24
It has an anti-American bias, being a tool of Vladimir Putin. geek tragedy Oct 2012 #146
So, Teabag wingnut doesn't get welfare flight overseas, Putin's mouthpiece whines, geek tragedy Oct 2012 #147
No it does not have an anti-American bias. But nice try. It reports news and provides opportunity sabrina 1 Oct 2012 #171
It has some blatantly propaganda programs, but it also has some others like Thom Hartmann. JDPriestly Oct 2012 #17
But... loop204 Oct 2012 #27
''.... but also to coverage that makes the United States look bad.'' DeSwiss Oct 2012 #41
Agreed... loop204 Oct 2012 #45
So in your opinion reporting news is making heroes out of people? sabrina 1 Oct 2012 #52
I tend to agree that RT's news coverage is for dupes in many cases, but then JDPriestly Oct 2012 #122
Alex Jones likes Putin. For my own reasons, I do, too. Thom Hartmann is a serious person, IMO. freshwest Oct 2012 #35
Thank you. I will... :) n/t loop204 Oct 2012 #46
We used to have posters that linked to WSWS, but with enough mockery, they switched to RT. msanthrope Oct 2012 #64
FOX, CNN, NBC are more your cup of tea. JackRiddler Oct 2012 #77
Actually, Canada Free Press had the professionalism to report that Hicks was on a military flight. msanthrope Oct 2012 #88
I too am on the FAA No Fly list and have been since December 2001. Early on they over-reacted Dustlawyer Oct 2012 #6
This is the kind of shit that makes me believe the terrorists won Major Nikon Oct 2012 #8
Not just the terrorists, take a look at this (unrelated, but you'll see what I mean): Poll_Blind Oct 2012 #13
I thought this Bush era, McCarthyite list had been dealt with. This was one of the abominations sabrina 1 Oct 2012 #18
I suspect that person wound up on the list for the same reason Major Nikon Oct 2012 #37
Not surprising at all that he wound up on the list. Considering all the others who ended up on it. sabrina 1 Oct 2012 #47
Sad to see DU'ers get duped by Russia Today. Total nonsense and bunkum. Ikonoklast Oct 2012 #12
Are you talking about Thom Hartmann? Or Max Keiser? JDPriestly Oct 2012 #19
Thom Hartmann is an entertainer. Not journalism. boppers Oct 2012 #21
I think you're wrong about Hartmann. But the rest of RT is BS. JMHO. freshwest Oct 2012 #39
RT, like much modern media, is struggling to survive. boppers Oct 2012 #150
Name your media sources, then. And your respected journalists. Help us out here. freshwest Oct 2012 #151
Okay... boppers Oct 2012 #152
That's not true, on the contrary it has been hugely successful. Here are the facts about RT: sabrina 1 Oct 2012 #164
They're incredibly succesful. According to the wikipedia article. boppers Oct 2012 #190
Wow! So can you point us in the direction of a real journalist then? sabrina 1 Oct 2012 #53
Yes, Amy Goodman has been snared in one too many clever phrasings and omissions of details for me. boppers Oct 2012 #148
Thom Hartmann is an entertainer???? navarth Oct 2012 #72
I don't see him that way at all. Jones, Beck and Fox are. They add nuts and whipped cream to truth. freshwest Oct 2012 #119
well of course. navarth Oct 2012 #130
Don't worry. Posters have strong opinions. I wish they'd stay to explain them. freshwest Oct 2012 #135
I believe you have made my point. boppers Oct 2012 #145
I've listened to him for years. boppers Oct 2012 #144
Lol, so you don't like Thom Hartmann, you don't like Amy Goodman and you don't like RT. sabrina 1 Oct 2012 #165
Olberman's shallow, Maddow's got a great wit, Moore is clever as hell. boppers Oct 2012 #192
Copying the right's shoddy opinions-as-news would mean all those people you mentioned sabrina 1 Oct 2012 #196
Sorry, it's shite. WND out of the Oligarchy of Russia. Ikonoklast Oct 2012 #22
If only more people would recognize that n/t loop204 Oct 2012 #28
You've never watched it have you? sabrina 1 Oct 2012 #48
More than once. Al-Jazeera is more to my liking. Ikonoklast Oct 2012 #50
Al Jazeera and RT are very similar. I watch both and have watched Al Jazeera since they first sabrina 1 Oct 2012 #62
From your comments it appears you are not familiar with the network. sabrina 1 Oct 2012 #58
Agreed, freshwest Oct 2012 #36
RT is one of the best news sources on TV. Based in DC it gives air time to Progressives who sabrina 1 Oct 2012 #20
"finally gives that truth with a Liberal Bias" boppers Oct 2012 #149
I guess you're not familiar with the saying. sabrina 1 Oct 2012 #161
Having it vs. giving it. eom boppers Oct 2012 #189
Yeah that's me: duped. DeSwiss Oct 2012 #23
Total Straw Man response. Ikonoklast Oct 2012 #25
Okay then, try these: DeSwiss Oct 2012 #29
Please do a little research on some of those 'authors' and 'journalists' while you're at it. Ikonoklast Oct 2012 #33
All the Wade Hicks Jr. articles you posted lead to one man loop204 Oct 2012 #34
Folow the links loop204 Oct 2012 #38
These guys make money from peddling fear loop204 Oct 2012 #43
Very good and I hate what the Paulbots did there. Thanks. freshwest Oct 2012 #56
Good posts in this thread... SidDithers Oct 2012 #159
And it looks like they were all wrong! sabrina 1 Oct 2012 #169
tl:dr...nt SidDithers Oct 2012 #178
... sabrina 1 Oct 2012 #181
132 words, 12 lines ... if that's "tl:dr" then I pity you. Nihil Oct 2012 #203
Jones also says that Obama was behind the Aurora, Sikh temple, etc. Now he's gonna bomb us? Please.. freshwest Oct 2012 #40
Can I ask you to remove the Canada Free Pres link? They are far right muriel_volestrangler Oct 2012 #78
Um, no, they are a very legitimate news channel, excellent coverage of foreign news and sabrina 1 Oct 2012 #49
This is RT's poster boy -- Alex Jones loop204 Oct 2012 #30
Well, Alex was around spreading terror long before RT. His 'documentary films' on Obama freshwest Oct 2012 #32
Ahhh... thanks... David Icke is the name that escaped me in my lasy post. n/t loop204 Oct 2012 #44
I enjoyed him for a while. What a unique view, I thought. Then realized the result of it. freshwest Oct 2012 #54
No, that is not RT's poster boy, but nice try. Since RT is one of my main news sources, and clearly sabrina 1 Oct 2012 #51
As a researcher, I'm very familiar with RT loop204 Oct 2012 #55
If you were a researcher, you would never have come here where many DUers are very familiar sabrina 1 Oct 2012 #57
----> loop204 Oct 2012 #59
From the Guardian loop204 Oct 2012 #60
And there is a perfect example of what I said about the demise of the Guardian as a credible sabrina 1 Oct 2012 #101
The NYT? Judith Miller? sabrina 1 Oct 2012 #61
I am reminded of an old con. boppers Oct 2012 #153
as per comment #2 is this Wade Hicks? azurnoir Oct 2012 #14
Nice pic at the link of Obama tearing up the Constitution and the flag in flames. freshwest Oct 2012 #31
More blazing info, recycled from when Obama tried to set up CCC, WPA groups in 2009, now 2012: freshwest Oct 2012 #42
After a brief tour of wingnut sites, I'm pretty sure that is him struggle4progress Oct 2012 #68
Hagmann forgot to mention it was a military flight, didn't he? msanthrope Oct 2012 #92
Wade Hicks who decided to use a military flight, and wonders why he got kicked off-- msanthrope Oct 2012 #90
should be easy for him to get off, but he says he holds an extra screening card already Sunlei Oct 2012 #79
He was on a military flight--and he wonders why he got kicked off???? nt msanthrope Oct 2012 #87
UNREC for omission--the man was on a military flight. Our military does not have to carry people msanthrope Oct 2012 #84
Thank you. AtomicKitten Oct 2012 #95
You are welcome. I'm enjoying reading how military flights subsidized by the taxpayers are now the msanthrope Oct 2012 #107
I'm enjoying watching you refusing to answer a simple question. sabrina 1 Oct 2012 #136
Sabrina, your questions can't be answered until you make better ones. So clarify, please, msanthrope Oct 2012 #138
That's not the question. Did you make the same argument against the hundreds of people who sabrina 1 Oct 2012 #140
Okay, so you are asserting this is a privilege, then? Do you have an actual case of a person in msanthrope Oct 2012 #142
Since when did political speech become a threat to this Democracy? sabrina 1 Oct 2012 #98
How is his speech infringed? It't not. He can say what he wishes, but the government doesn't have msanthrope Oct 2012 #103
His wife is the military. The government should not punish people for political speech I was sabrina 1 Oct 2012 #106
If his wife is in the military then she is well aware that flights are a privilege, and not a right. msanthrope Oct 2012 #110
Then you do believe that the Government should punish people for political speech. sabrina 1 Oct 2012 #116
See post 125. nt msanthrope Oct 2012 #127
On the bright side, ManiacJoe Oct 2012 #123
... A spokesman for the FBI's Terrorist Screening Center said he could neither confirm nor deny struggle4progress Oct 2012 #154
Well, if that statement is true, it looks like those of you arguing he was rightfully removed based sabrina 1 Oct 2012 #166
there's no evidence he ever was on the no fly list struggle4progress Oct 2012 #167
Whether he was or not people in this thread argued that it would be just fine to keep him off sabrina 1 Oct 2012 #172
Hicks is now claiming he's off the list--- msanthrope Oct 2012 #174
yeah, something like that would be my guess struggle4progress Oct 2012 #175
Always enjoyable, seeing who took RT/Alex Jones as gospel. nt msanthrope Oct 2012 #177
Even more enlightening is seeing who supports the rights of ALL Americans sabrina 1 Oct 2012 #182
Sabrina, I think you got Parlocked.... msanthrope Oct 2012 #185
What I got was a look at who cannot separate their own personal opinions from sabrina 1 Oct 2012 #187
Gulfport man says he's cleared of 'no-fly' order struggle4progress Oct 2012 #160
Phil Parlock gets to fly, then??? Amazing!!!! Always great to watch who falls for him. nt msanthrope Oct 2012 #179
But he was supposed to be sent to GITMO! What about the NDAA and the Police State? freshwest Oct 2012 #199
It would be nice to have at least two choices on foreign policy yurbud Oct 2012 #176
It would be nice if DUer's could remember Phil Parlock every election. msanthrope Oct 2012 #180
+ struggle4progress Oct 2012 #186
Kick (nt) muriel_volestrangler Oct 2012 #200
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