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garybeck

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55. Every system is different but ----
Fri Mar 5, 2021, 03:54 PM
Mar 2021

what you're showing there appears to be a voter-verified paper audit trail. (VVPAT) It appears it came from a touch-screen voting machine.

it gives the appearance that the votes were cast properly, but that is 100% false.

that is because you have no idea what the machine actually did with your vote. if there was a bug in the vote counting software, or malicious code that changed people's votes, this VVPAT means NOTHING. In fact it gives a false sense of security where there is none.

the VVPAT has one specific use and value: IT CAN BE USED TO VEFIRY THAT THE ORIGINAL COUNT WAS CORRECT. In other words, after the election and original count is done, a human being can view the VVPATs, count manually, and compare that to the computer count. This can be done in a full recount, or in an audit, where a statistically significant number of ballots randomly are selected (either within a precinct, or certain precincts can be audited) and counted by hand (or possibly a 3-rd party scanner machine... questionable...) and compared to the computer count.

That is the only time the VVPAT provides any value. as a "receipt" to show the voter that their vote was cast correctly, it provides zero value because again we do not know what the computer actually did with your vote unless there is a recount or audit where these VVPATS are inspected.

Presumably, the VVPATs are stored somewhere and could be viewed, even today. there is supposedly a federal law that all presidental voting ballots must be stored for 22 years. However in a place that is as untrustworthy as we have, it is possible that by now even the VVPATs have been compromised.

A big question in my opinion now is whether Amy McGrath has looked at this stuff and whether she cares enough to investigate.

That WOULD be great if MyOwnPeace Mar 2021 #1
This could be a big deal rkleinberger Mar 2021 #29
This is the hidden info that Trump has over the Reps randr Mar 2021 #2
Perhaps this is why he's skee-daddling on out of Dodge ... Hugh_Lebowski Mar 2021 #3
I think there are also some health issues involved PatSeg Mar 2021 #41
I wonder what machines Maine uses. I could have sworn Maine had enough of Collins. catrose Mar 2021 #4
I think it's the same machines. Also used in Iowa to elect Joni Ernst tikka Mar 2021 #7
Gosh! Almost like there's a pattern. catrose Mar 2021 #9
I wish Dems would automatically ask for a recount, no matter what. catrose Mar 2021 #11
Iowa does have a paper trail rurallib Mar 2021 #40
Please. I grew up in Iowa and belong to Mensa. But then, I left and never went back. SharonAnn Mar 2021 #61
Iowa today and Iowa many years ago are two very different places, sad to say. rurallib Mar 2021 #63
I was really surprised that Collins got reelected PatSeg Mar 2021 #44
Let's hope somebody looks at what voting machines all those surprise states used. catrose Mar 2021 #73
Didn't you post on DU in 2017? bronxiteforever Mar 2021 #5
This must be one reason McTurtle is hinting at retirement. brush Mar 2021 #6
Note that wifey is in trouble and drumpf hates him soothsayer Mar 2021 #8
I wondered that too. CaptainTruth Mar 2021 #13
his was the rigged election KT2000 Mar 2021 #10
+1000 n/t MarcA Mar 2021 #14
They accuse Democrats of voter fraud PatSeg Mar 2021 #48
so why can't we bust them on it? RussBLib Mar 2021 #71
I really don't know PatSeg Mar 2021 #76
ES&S used in Graham's state too?? Pas-de-Calais Mar 2021 #12
Yes - and so did other RepuQ's states according to DCRport.og's report csziggy Mar 2021 #38
McGrath, Harrison, Gideon, et al. need to speak up if there is anything to this Ponietz Mar 2021 #15
ES&S has a history of that kind of thing. FoxNewsSucks Mar 2021 #16
K&R; great post Evolve Dammit Mar 2021 #17
Has McGrath's campaign said anything about it? CaptainTruth Mar 2021 #18
Army of one wow ampm Mar 2021 #19
Maybe this is why they puched the big lie....look over here ... ace3csusm Mar 2021 #24
Are these Paper ballots? If so they will be held for some time then destroyed. mackdaddy Mar 2021 #20
I think ES&S machines do not have paper backups. Lonestarblue Mar 2021 #56
Diebold makes ATMs and I used to fantasize about OMGWTF Mar 2021 #66
It was appalling news Bayard Mar 2021 #21
As much as i hate All of those mentioned above...I hope its not True ace3csusm Mar 2021 #22
They also know how to poison a well. BadgerMom Mar 2021 #35
Can't we do both, investigate and adjust the filibuster, etc.. everything you just said. halobeam Mar 2021 #45
A good compromise - paper ballots with scanning machines csziggy Mar 2021 #54
I hope the Democrats add to HR1 and investigation of ES&S kimbutgar Mar 2021 #23
I Distinctly Remember from the Time Before that... McKim Mar 2021 #25
Congratulations on your 51st post, linnknee! littlemissmartypants Mar 2021 #26
Exactly as one would expect. If Pubs accuse Dems of something, it means Pubs are doing it. lagomorph777 Mar 2021 #27
Yet another "report". So, where is the... reACTIONary Mar 2021 #28
If I am not mistaken, very R state uses ES&S. It seems to be designed so well. The voter even gets LiberalArkie Mar 2021 #30
Every system is different but ---- garybeck Mar 2021 #55
Exactly GB_RN Mar 2021 #60
" ... the problem is -- vote tabulation machines made by Election Systems & Software." Botany Mar 2021 #31
I also believe that is the most obvious place. If the local vote tabulation machine send it to LiberalArkie Mar 2021 #37
When Jennifer Brunner was OH's Sec. of State (She is now on the State Supreme Court) she had ... Botany Mar 2021 #43
You know the thugs cheated. That's all they know how to do. judesedit Mar 2021 #32
This needs exposure. movingviolation Mar 2021 #33
Needs more than exposure! Trust_Reality Mar 2021 #52
This brings back the John Kerry moment of Ohio turbinetree Mar 2021 #34
and what a moment that was :( ugh n/t halobeam Mar 2021 #51
If this is the case and EE&S systems were to blame padah513 Mar 2021 #36
WOW. ShazzieB Mar 2021 #42
My point entirely. dianaredwing Mar 2021 #65
So GOP rigged the election - and lost it all anyway... Sorry, but this is conspiracy BS! TomWilm Mar 2021 #39
with apologies to the OP post -- yes stopdiggin Mar 2021 #64
kr garybeck Mar 2021 #46
Extremely suspicious. Always has been. I have not idea why Dems do not demand an investigation. Trust_Reality Mar 2021 #47
Did Amy ask for an audit or recount? n/t pnwmom Mar 2021 #49
time to break out the shovels and get to digging! we're gonna needa bigger dumptruck... bringthePaine Mar 2021 #50
Like so many others, birdographer Mar 2021 #53
The telltale to know that they cheated - especially the Orange POS Lokee11 Mar 2021 #57
Very unlikely that Mcgrath really won karynnj Mar 2021 #58
There you go, bringing verifiable evidence, spoiling a perfectly good Conspiracy Theory. Nt Fiendish Thingy Mar 2021 #72
KY is a solidly RED state stopdiggin Mar 2021 #59
I've been saying this for months. OMGWTF Mar 2021 #62
Message auto-removed Name removed Mar 2021 #67
I've long believed that a large part of the former guy's strategy intrepidity Mar 2021 #68
Great post! canetoad Mar 2021 #69
Every time I read or hear that the 2020 election was totally fair live love laugh Mar 2021 #70
What is missing is that these "Democratic Strongholds"... nycbos Mar 2021 #74
Oh my, wouldn't it be hilarious if he was found illegitimately elected. C Moon Mar 2021 #75
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