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csziggy

(34,131 posts)
54. A good compromise - paper ballots with scanning machines
Fri Mar 5, 2021, 03:51 PM
Mar 2021

But only if there is a requirement to hand count the paper ballots as a check on the scanners.

My county has used paper ballots for over thirty years. The scanners are set that if a ballot is not read as valid, or has an under or over vote, the machines kick the ballot back immediately so that the voter has a check to repair their ballot. If needed they can get a new ballot and re-vote.

In 2000 during the recount, Leon County (where I live) completed their recount in only a few hours. The Supervisor of Elections assisted other counties in doing their recounts. Our neighboring county, Gadsden, did not have scanners at each polling place, therefore they did not have the option of allowing voters to repair their defective ballots. They were among the counties with the highest number of defective ballots that were not counted. The Leon Supervisor showed them how to do that and since the number of ballots that could not be counted has dropped drastically.

Even with all of that, I do not necessarily trust the count on the scanning machines. They can easily be hacked if the security around the machines is not good or if the people running the machines are not trustworthy. That's why I support had counting the ballots to verify the numbers on the machines. It's good insurance.

ETA - The scanned results can be almost immediately released as preliminary numbers, but the final count should be based on the hand counts. That way, we get the immediate fix - but in the long run we know who really won without a doubt.

That WOULD be great if MyOwnPeace Mar 2021 #1
This could be a big deal rkleinberger Mar 2021 #29
This is the hidden info that Trump has over the Reps randr Mar 2021 #2
Perhaps this is why he's skee-daddling on out of Dodge ... Hugh_Lebowski Mar 2021 #3
I think there are also some health issues involved PatSeg Mar 2021 #41
I wonder what machines Maine uses. I could have sworn Maine had enough of Collins. catrose Mar 2021 #4
I think it's the same machines. Also used in Iowa to elect Joni Ernst tikka Mar 2021 #7
Gosh! Almost like there's a pattern. catrose Mar 2021 #9
I wish Dems would automatically ask for a recount, no matter what. catrose Mar 2021 #11
Iowa does have a paper trail rurallib Mar 2021 #40
Please. I grew up in Iowa and belong to Mensa. But then, I left and never went back. SharonAnn Mar 2021 #61
Iowa today and Iowa many years ago are two very different places, sad to say. rurallib Mar 2021 #63
I was really surprised that Collins got reelected PatSeg Mar 2021 #44
Let's hope somebody looks at what voting machines all those surprise states used. catrose Mar 2021 #73
Didn't you post on DU in 2017? bronxiteforever Mar 2021 #5
This must be one reason McTurtle is hinting at retirement. brush Mar 2021 #6
Note that wifey is in trouble and drumpf hates him soothsayer Mar 2021 #8
I wondered that too. CaptainTruth Mar 2021 #13
his was the rigged election KT2000 Mar 2021 #10
+1000 n/t MarcA Mar 2021 #14
They accuse Democrats of voter fraud PatSeg Mar 2021 #48
so why can't we bust them on it? RussBLib Mar 2021 #71
I really don't know PatSeg Mar 2021 #76
ES&S used in Graham's state too?? Pas-de-Calais Mar 2021 #12
Yes - and so did other RepuQ's states according to DCRport.og's report csziggy Mar 2021 #38
McGrath, Harrison, Gideon, et al. need to speak up if there is anything to this Ponietz Mar 2021 #15
ES&S has a history of that kind of thing. FoxNewsSucks Mar 2021 #16
K&R; great post Evolve Dammit Mar 2021 #17
Has McGrath's campaign said anything about it? CaptainTruth Mar 2021 #18
Army of one wow ampm Mar 2021 #19
Maybe this is why they puched the big lie....look over here ... ace3csusm Mar 2021 #24
Are these Paper ballots? If so they will be held for some time then destroyed. mackdaddy Mar 2021 #20
I think ES&S machines do not have paper backups. Lonestarblue Mar 2021 #56
Diebold makes ATMs and I used to fantasize about OMGWTF Mar 2021 #66
It was appalling news Bayard Mar 2021 #21
As much as i hate All of those mentioned above...I hope its not True ace3csusm Mar 2021 #22
They also know how to poison a well. BadgerMom Mar 2021 #35
Can't we do both, investigate and adjust the filibuster, etc.. everything you just said. halobeam Mar 2021 #45
A good compromise - paper ballots with scanning machines csziggy Mar 2021 #54
I hope the Democrats add to HR1 and investigation of ES&S kimbutgar Mar 2021 #23
I Distinctly Remember from the Time Before that... McKim Mar 2021 #25
Congratulations on your 51st post, linnknee! littlemissmartypants Mar 2021 #26
Exactly as one would expect. If Pubs accuse Dems of something, it means Pubs are doing it. lagomorph777 Mar 2021 #27
Yet another "report". So, where is the... reACTIONary Mar 2021 #28
If I am not mistaken, very R state uses ES&S. It seems to be designed so well. The voter even gets LiberalArkie Mar 2021 #30
Every system is different but ---- garybeck Mar 2021 #55
Exactly GB_RN Mar 2021 #60
" ... the problem is -- vote tabulation machines made by Election Systems & Software." Botany Mar 2021 #31
I also believe that is the most obvious place. If the local vote tabulation machine send it to LiberalArkie Mar 2021 #37
When Jennifer Brunner was OH's Sec. of State (She is now on the State Supreme Court) she had ... Botany Mar 2021 #43
You know the thugs cheated. That's all they know how to do. judesedit Mar 2021 #32
This needs exposure. movingviolation Mar 2021 #33
Needs more than exposure! Trust_Reality Mar 2021 #52
This brings back the John Kerry moment of Ohio turbinetree Mar 2021 #34
and what a moment that was :( ugh n/t halobeam Mar 2021 #51
If this is the case and EE&S systems were to blame padah513 Mar 2021 #36
WOW. ShazzieB Mar 2021 #42
My point entirely. dianaredwing Mar 2021 #65
So GOP rigged the election - and lost it all anyway... Sorry, but this is conspiracy BS! TomWilm Mar 2021 #39
with apologies to the OP post -- yes stopdiggin Mar 2021 #64
kr garybeck Mar 2021 #46
Extremely suspicious. Always has been. I have not idea why Dems do not demand an investigation. Trust_Reality Mar 2021 #47
Did Amy ask for an audit or recount? n/t pnwmom Mar 2021 #49
time to break out the shovels and get to digging! we're gonna needa bigger dumptruck... bringthePaine Mar 2021 #50
Like so many others, birdographer Mar 2021 #53
The telltale to know that they cheated - especially the Orange POS Lokee11 Mar 2021 #57
Very unlikely that Mcgrath really won karynnj Mar 2021 #58
There you go, bringing verifiable evidence, spoiling a perfectly good Conspiracy Theory. Nt Fiendish Thingy Mar 2021 #72
KY is a solidly RED state stopdiggin Mar 2021 #59
I've been saying this for months. OMGWTF Mar 2021 #62
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I've long believed that a large part of the former guy's strategy intrepidity Mar 2021 #68
Great post! canetoad Mar 2021 #69
Every time I read or hear that the 2020 election was totally fair live love laugh Mar 2021 #70
What is missing is that these "Democratic Strongholds"... nycbos Mar 2021 #74
Oh my, wouldn't it be hilarious if he was found illegitimately elected. C Moon Mar 2021 #75
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