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captain queeg

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25. Thanks for digging into it. That makes some sense.
Thu Feb 25, 2021, 07:52 AM
Feb 2021

Frequency is the primary controller on the grid. I’m a little surprised that they operated 0.5 off of 60 for that long. In WECC the deviation limits are something like 0.05, but that’s what they are supposed to maintain. I don’t know what actions are prescribed when you get that far out of whack and didn’t know that about steam turbine blades. Certainly have even hydro units start vibrating violently and have seen blades fall off. For a hydro unit a broken blade would tend to get washed downstream and not be bouncing around hitting other blades. That would be bad news. Nowadays there’s a big emphasis on “predictive maintenance” and vibrations are closely monitored. I could see units tripping offline on their own with human actions taking place. It all just seems like they were operating a system lacking sufficient reserve capacity.

gee could this be self serving propganda to take our minds off what really happened? nt msongs Feb 2021 #1
Toxic Individualism. nt Xipe Totec Feb 2021 #2
Scare tactics! We could have sunk at sea but no, we beached... machoneman Feb 2021 #3
"Texas Was 4 Minutes and 37 Seconds Away From a Blackout" LudwigPastorius Feb 2021 #4
Yeah, that "fact" would need to be explained quite a bit more captain queeg Feb 2021 #6
Their presentation said that figure is based on a frequency stability issue caraher Feb 2021 #22
High V/Hz can damage major pieces of equipment on the grid due to over fluxing. texasfiddler Feb 2021 #23
Thanks for digging into it. That makes some sense. captain queeg Feb 2021 #25
"seems like they were operating a system lacking sufficient reserve capacity" caraher Feb 2021 #32
Grid measurements are pretty precise, for obvious reasons. TwilightZone Feb 2021 #12
At no point do they explain Miguelito Loveless Feb 2021 #5
High V/Hz ratio is the main reason. High V/Hz ratios over-flux transformers texasfiddler Feb 2021 #24
Ah, thank you Miguelito Loveless Feb 2021 #27
Crazy, right. OverBurn Feb 2021 #33
out of phase frequencies can damage generators. harumph Feb 2021 #7
Yep. They wanted to prevent damage to the turbine/generator blades dalton99a Feb 2021 #15
Thanks, Miguelito Loveless Feb 2021 #28
Saying "We narrowly avoided a worse disaster by choosing a better disaster" is a distraction RockRaven Feb 2021 #8
Data from ERCOT: dalton99a Feb 2021 #9
Great data. Thanks for posting. Some questions. Red Oak Feb 2021 #17
Why did the first generating plants go off line? Were they pumping up the price of power? Red Oak Feb 2021 #10
Balancing supply to demand is critical in the distribution of electric power. Demand got way out of mobeau69 Feb 2021 #11
Demand was double supply at the point of shutdown. TwilightZone Feb 2021 #14
Certainly the event as a whole was not fake scarcity Red Oak Feb 2021 #18
Ercot acknowledges 4:37 blackout scenario but Pas-de-Calais Feb 2021 #13
Ercot Sgent Feb 2021 #21
We had the answer 10 years ago susanr516 Feb 2021 #16
KICK! burrowowl Feb 2021 #19
Keep electing conservatives guys, see where that gets you. Initech Feb 2021 #20
The old "It could have been a lot worse" trick bucolic_frolic Feb 2021 #26
Actully, it really Miguelito Loveless Feb 2021 #30
Not clueless, greedy sucking reich wingers is what they are. lark Feb 2021 #29
as a Texan who lived through this bullshit... Javaman Feb 2021 #31
I keep hearing this, "oh, it could have been much worse" RussBLib Feb 2021 #34
There's not much ERCOT can do Dopers_Greed Feb 2021 #35
ercot gives heavily to repukes. Javaman Feb 2021 #37
Insurance companies are going to the sue the pants off from ERCOT. roamer65 Feb 2021 #36
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