+1. This is politically dumb because voters want results. (Reply #133)

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radius777 (3,406 posts)

133. +1. This is politically dumb because voters want results.

Voters don't care about bipartanship per se, only results. Repubs know this and want to obstruct or trick conservative Dems into being 'bipartisan' - who Repubs will then run against as 'not producing results'.

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134 replies	Author	Time	Post
Kyrsten Sinema Joins Joe Manchin in Rebuking $15 Minimum Wage Being Put in Stimulus, Dashing Progres [View all]	Polybius	Feb 2021	OP
What is wrong with these two?	bullimiami	Feb 2021	#1
How much time do you have...?	dlk	Feb 2021	#2
Not enough I'm sure.	bullimiami	Feb 2021	#3
They don't want to help their constituents.	lagomorph777	Feb 2021	#14
they're in talk radio states and they think their dittohead constituents yelling on the phone	certainot	Feb 2021	#51
A nationwide $15 minimum probably doesn't help their constituents	FBaggins	Feb 2021	#75
Why wouldn't it?	llmart	Feb 2021	#80
Yeah, that is nonsense.	ForgoTheConsequence	Feb 2021	#88
Of course it would.	Demsrule86	Feb 2021	#128
There are few "of course"s in economics	FBaggins	Feb 2021	#129
I would also add...I still believe in the end both Senators will vote for a minimum wage bill.	Demsrule86	Feb 2021	#46
But we're going to need 60 votes	DeltaLitProf	Feb 2021	#130
They got theirs.	Cobalt Violet	Feb 2021	#103
i hope they are both primaried. I've seen many notes here saying the same thing I posted	trueblue2007	Feb 2021	#120
insert mandatory "primarying Manchin will cost us that seat" post	Bucky	Feb 2021	#121
Sinema yes, Manchin no.	radius777	Feb 2021	#132
This is right-wing rag Newsweek pushing. "Dems in Disarray" meme	maxrandb	Feb 2021	#4
It's listed smack right in the middle here	Polybius	Feb 2021	#10
Um ... CNN, the New Yorker and Jacobin in the same basket?	My Pet Orangutan	Feb 2021	#26
Newsweek was recently purchased by IBT. A "business" consortium	maxrandb	Feb 2021	#37
My sister was a subscriber to Newsweek since she was in high school in 1968	kimbutgar	Feb 2021	#58
I seem to recall several left leaning articles in it in the past.	Ligyron	Feb 2021	#106
Allsides rates Politifact as "left"	Griefbird	Feb 2021	#59
No InfoWars, eh?	Montauk6	Feb 2021	#62
Since when does CBS lean left?	llmart	Feb 2021	#77
Media Bias Fact Check: Newsweek LEFT-CENTER BIAS	NurseJackie	Feb 2021	#95
What is to the right of the right most column?	Yavin4	Feb 2021	#111
So, for the next two years, every single bit of legislation boils down to	Docreed2003	Feb 2021	#5
It is too bad...it could have been different had we supported Democrats in 2010, 2014,	Demsrule86	Feb 2021	#42
That's what the Right-wing wants you to think	maxrandb	Feb 2021	#44
Defund HER !	Gilbert Moore	Feb 2021	#56
No with her...we get the majority...so she is not worthless...so stop. This is Democratic	Demsrule86	Feb 2021	#65
She's up in 24. Kelly is up in 22.	sweetloukillbot	Feb 2021	#102
This is such a betrayal	Stargleamer	Feb 2021	#6
Huh?	Ollie Garkie	Feb 2021	#7
The federal minimum wage is still set at $7.25. Obama tried to raise it to $9 to no avail.	KPN	Feb 2021	#8
Minimum wage is not a battle Congress should have to fight.	Mr.Bill	Feb 2021	#22
The problem is the southern States which were used by corporations as a means to bust	KPN	Feb 2021	#25
I agree with you,	Mr.Bill	Feb 2021	#29
Ergo, something other than one-size-fits-all that reflects the reality of a	KPN	Feb 2021	#33
Yes. California and other states have already done this.	Mr.Bill	Feb 2021	#47
It is not just Southern states. Ohio has a very low minimum wage.	Demsrule86	Feb 2021	#40
There is no area where 7.25 can be enough to put food on the table and a roof over your head...	Demsrule86	Feb 2021	#38
I agree.	llmart	Feb 2021	#82
Only experts agree with you. But nobody listens to them	Bucky	Feb 2021	#122
Amazing how she started her career as a Green party liberal activist	IronLionZion	Feb 2021	#9
Moderate Democrat?? Bull s..t	Thekaspervote	Feb 2021	#11
I don't think they can pass $15 an hour in one fell swoop	TexasBushwhacker	Feb 2021	#12
The proposal is just that.	Mr.Bill	Feb 2021	#23
Put it in, and let them torpedo	Miguelito Loveless	Feb 2021	#13
Absolutely, let their constituents see how they vote.	marble falls	Feb 2021	#16
I agree with you in principle,	Mr.Bill	Feb 2021	#24
Again, they are bluffing	Miguelito Loveless	Feb 2021	#71
No, the Covid bill has to pass.	Demsrule86	Feb 2021	#35
Then let them be the two who destroy the deal	Miguelito Loveless	Feb 2021	#67
They think it's political survival	Mr.Bill	Feb 2021	#76
In either case, they are going to lose	Miguelito Loveless	Feb 2021	#84
Look up Manchin's and Sinema's phone numbers and tell them.	Mr.Bill	Feb 2021	#86
My past experience calling senators from other states	Miguelito Loveless	Feb 2021	#93
That's not surprising. n/t	Mr.Bill	Feb 2021	#94
This is why my celebration of Democrats "taking" the Senate was not loud	Escurumbele	Feb 2021	#15
Thin Analysis	Stallion	Feb 2021	#21
I did not say it was not great to get Moscow Mitch out, that was excellent but 50/50 is not good	Escurumbele	Feb 2021	#43
You know what would be a bigger thorn? Mitch McConnell. At least we don't have to worry	Demsrule86	Feb 2021	#32
Definitely, I don't disagree with anyone on that, I am happy we don't have to deal with Moscow Mitch	Escurumbele	Feb 2021	#54
And in order to hold a majority that is going to have to happen. That is our reality until we can	Demsrule86	Feb 2021	#60
So you think it would be better if Mitch stayed in power and helped kill thousands more	Demsrule86	Feb 2021	#68
I cannot believe how what I wrote has been misinterpreted...I will explain again	Escurumbele	Feb 2021	#108
that has not been the reality.	drray23	Feb 2021	#115
The question is, what is "their" minimum wage number?	mysteryowl	Feb 2021	#17
Zero, maybe	durablend	Feb 2021	#18
You are thinking Manchin & Sinema don't want a federal minimum wage?	mysteryowl	Feb 2021	#19
Manchin's is $11.00	Massacure	Feb 2021	#57
The bill in question does start at $11 and goes up over 5 years.	vsrazdem	Feb 2021	#69
Fast way to cure this shit	montanacowboy	Feb 2021	#20
They would have to vote for that also...you think they would?	Demsrule86	Feb 2021	#30
Sure, you just have to eliminate the filibuster to do that, which would take 50 votes.	bearsfootball516	Feb 2021	#41
Remember when McCain was talking about the maximum income for people when Obama thought 180K was	Evolve Dammit	Feb 2021	#27
Take the fight to their constitiuents who want a minimum was hike...Sinema has to run again	Demsrule86	Feb 2021	#28
We Arizona progressives don't call her	dobleremolque	Feb 2021	#31
Note to Senator Sinema: We've seen this movie before	sandensea	Feb 2021	#34
+1. This is politically dumb because voters want results.	radius777	Feb 2021	#133
Well said.	sandensea	Feb 2021	#134
Personally I reject a $15 as well but not because I do not think people should be paid less but	cstanleytech	Feb 2021	#36
Kyrsten Sinema in 2014	chowder66	Feb 2021	#39
At least they don't have an "I" next to their name, eh?	Hassin Bin Sober	Feb 2021	#45
Thank goodness for that.	NurseJackie	Feb 2021	#96
Didn't blink an eye when it was 1 trillion for the ruling class n/t	hibbing	Feb 2021	#48
Message auto-removed	Name removed	Feb 2021	#49
Remember, it is Newsweek...I expect both to support minimum wage as it is popular in their	Demsrule86	Feb 2021	#50
Democrates in name only.	BradBo	Feb 2021	#52
That is untrue. They are Democrats who have a moderate viewpoint and without them, no	Demsrule86	Feb 2021	#61
That's true, but this is such a fundamental issue	Bucky	Feb 2021	#123
We will be lucky to get any of it...and I would take what I could get.	Demsrule86	Feb 2021	#127
Democrates in name only.	BradBo	Feb 2021	#53
Make.Them.Vote.Against.The.Bill.	Fiendish Thingy	Feb 2021	#55
Let's not sacrifice our Covid Bill if we can't get their votes. However, I think we will get	Demsrule86	Feb 2021	#63
That's my point- if you take the bill to a floor vote, they won't dare vote against it	Fiendish Thingy	Feb 2021	#73
"a moderate Democrat"??????	LiberalLovinLug	Feb 2021	#64
Manchin votes with us 60% of the time.	Turin_C3PO	Feb 2021	#85
He's a Democrat and I'm happy to have him.	NurseJackie	Feb 2021	#97
I beg to differ	LiberalLovinLug	Feb 2021	#98
I agree	Turin_C3PO	Feb 2021	#112
exactly and when he votes against us, his vote is not the deciding vote.	drray23	Feb 2021	#116
I just hope we can win some seats in 2022	vercetti2021	Feb 2021	#66
Tone deaf DINOs, can't see past their own noses, sabotage over reason and cooperation.	0nirevets	Feb 2021	#70
Damn DINOS	rickyhall	Feb 2021	#72
forum rules do not allow my response	TomDaisy	Feb 2021	#74
The stimulus part of the bill to give people checks now and increase	marie999	Feb 2021	#78
The stimulus part of the bill to give people checks now and increase	marie999	Feb 2021	#79
Frustrating	madeup64	Feb 2021	#81
jerks	jorgevlorgan	Feb 2021	#83
If we can get it in the bill, they will not vote against it	krawhitham	Feb 2021	#87
Politics is the art of compromise.	Dyedinthewoolliberal	Feb 2021	#89
These two moderate Democratic Senators are showing us how much power they have.	patphil	Feb 2021	#90
Rejecting $15 minimum wage is a good way to get labeled a "moderate"	Renew Deal	Feb 2021	#91
Manchin always does this...	Snackshack	Feb 2021	#92
Unfortunately kicking him out of the caucus does mean giving up our majority.	jorgevlorgan	Feb 2021	#114
I know.	Snackshack	Feb 2021	#117
Many here don't belong to Facebook	ChazII	Feb 2021	#99
Sinema seems to be unable to hold two thoughts in her head simultaneously.	BobTheSubgenius	Feb 2021	#100
DOH!	BobTheSubgenius	Feb 2021	#101
Remember when Bernie was denouncing Hillary for proposing $12 an hour?	StevieM	Feb 2021	#104
I remember.	NurseJackie	Feb 2021	#105
Yes.	betsuni	Feb 2021	#125
Joe knew this was going to happen. That's why he said he didn't think it could stay in the bill.	SunSeeker	Feb 2021	#107
They're keeping life poor, nasty, brutish and short	Marthe48	Feb 2021	#109
Really do not get this opposition	DeminPennswoods	Feb 2021	#110
Putting this in the bill was dumb. It would obviously provoke opposition and further delay.	Akoto	Feb 2021	#113
Sounds like that is the reason they oppose it as well	MichMan	Feb 2021	#119
She is getting feed back on her Facebook page	ChazII	Feb 2021	#118
What does Minimum Wage have to do with COVID relief?	Jimbo S	Feb 2021	#124
Jesus christ	Ollie Garkie	Feb 2021	#126
Fine. Leave their two states out and just do it in the other 48.	Mr.Bill	Feb 2021	#131

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