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In the discussion thread: Attorney for accused Kenosha protest gunman says teen acted in self-defense [View all]

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Sat Aug 29, 2020, 11:05 AM

Botany (58,275 posts)

2. Self defense?

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He went from Illinois to Wisconsin, brought an assault rifle, put himself into the
middle of BLM demonstration, and when "the locals" objected to him and his gun
being there he shot a person and then shot another person trying to stop him
from shooting anybody else.

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106 replies	Author	Time	Post
Attorney for accused Kenosha protest gunman says teen acted in self-defense [View all]	Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin	Aug 2020	OP
That dog won't hunt	yaesu	Aug 2020	#1
Civil Suits Should Also Be Filed	modrepub	Aug 2020	#11
I think the families of the victims should sue Facebook	hoosierspud	Aug 2020	#30
I agree	MrsCheaplaugh	Aug 2020	#70
Yup the victims deserve every penny of it.	roamer65	Aug 2020	#87
They would have a much better chance with a crazy plea	Warpy	Aug 2020	#32
that's true, I'm sure that will be taken into consideration at a trial or plea. nt	yaesu	Aug 2020	#35
In any other situation, this kid would have been seen as a dangerous threat	Warpy	Aug 2020	#41
Self defense?	Botany	Aug 2020	#2
well said. nt	iluvtennis	Aug 2020	#24
+1	appalachiablue	Aug 2020	#71
Legally, none of that matters.	Calista241	Aug 2020	#104
BULLSHIT	AZ8theist	Aug 2020	#3
He deserves life in prison without parole, but he does not deserve the needle.	totodeinhere	Aug 2020	#5
Your opinion and you're entitled to it. Not mine.	AZ8theist	Aug 2020	#8
Of course. I did not mean to imply that you are not entitled to your opinion.	totodeinhere	Aug 2020	#13
You are certainly entitled to that opinion	Miguelito Loveless	Aug 2020	#14
"How many innocent people is it okay to murder in order to punish the guilty?"	AZ8theist	Aug 2020	#95
Well, as they support the death penalty and torture	Miguelito Loveless	Aug 2020	#103
Same here	PatSeg	Aug 2020	#19
no death penalty in wisco	rdking647	Aug 2020	#7
I'm aware. Still doesn't change my feelings.	AZ8theist	Aug 2020	#9
I don't believe 17 year olds can get the death penalty	JonLP24	Aug 2020	#90
I think your "brain" assessment is wrong...	AZ8theist	Aug 2020	#93
I understand the prefrontal cortex	JonLP24	Aug 2020	#96
From your own citation:	AZ8theist	Aug 2020	#97
I didn't mean imply sociopathy or psychopathy is the same as a teen's brain development	JonLP24	Aug 2020	#100
That's debatable.	AZ8theist	Aug 2020	#101
He can't get the needle anyway	jmowreader	Aug 2020	#18
Understood.	AZ8theist	Aug 2020	#98
crossed state lines, so up against re-started Fed death penalty if properly charged; love me some	bringthePaine	Aug 2020	#4
17 years old so not eligible for the death penalty in any case	rdking647	Aug 2020	#6
He is, however, eligible for ADX Florence	jmowreader	Aug 2020	#20
Yup, good place for him to spend the rest of his life. Fuck him.	AZ8theist	Aug 2020	#94
i read this earlier and was sick to my stomach re: the self-defense defense strategy	onetexan	Aug 2020	#10
Of course he did!!!!	dware	Aug 2020	#12
I saw that coming, and I get the reasoning.	JohnnyRingo	Aug 2020	#15
I am guessing	Traildogbob	Aug 2020	#22
Well, according to the laws in this country (we DO still have laws, don't we?? 😳)	Grammy23	Aug 2020	#16
He's like the guy that breaks into your house	louis-t	Aug 2020	#23
That Hotlanta attorney is going after that GoFundMe money.	ancianita	Aug 2020	#17
...	ancianita	Aug 2020	#37
Yeah, because every unarmed person will attack a guy with an AR-15.	louis-t	Aug 2020	#21
That's what defense attorneys do nt	RussBLib	Aug 2020	#25
Precisely	Sherman A1	Aug 2020	#57
I call BS. so tired of the right wing supporting vigilantes killing people for exercising freedom	iluvtennis	Aug 2020	#26
His phone records show he called a friend and bragged about shooting someone	Greybnk48	Aug 2020	#27
His lawyer Lin Wood, who is Smirky McSmirkface's lawyer, claims he didn't cross state lines because	John Drake	Aug 2020	#28
LOL...a community life guard in a different State? No public pools in Antioch?	Bengus81	Aug 2020	#34
Antioch is literally on the border	forthemiddle	Aug 2020	#52
Attorneys are supposed to advocate for their clients,	sarisataka	Aug 2020	#29
Because rights are mutable	melm00se	Aug 2020	#40
It does seem there is a segment of people	sarisataka	Aug 2020	#61
That was a given from the start	Baclava	Aug 2020	#31
He had already shot a guy dead and they were trying to get his AR away from him.	SunSeeker	Aug 2020	#36
Photos are all over the internet, not hard to find, videos too	Baclava	Aug 2020	#38
The lower right is not posted in mainstream sources. Where did you get that? nt	SunSeeker	Aug 2020	#45
NYPOST Lawyer of alleged Kenosha shooter Kyle Rittenhouse claims self-defense	Baclava	Aug 2020	#54
I figured you got it from a lying right wing source. nt	SunSeeker	Aug 2020	#55
Here's another article that says he was holding gun, Star Tribune, MN	Baclava	Aug 2020	#56
The Tribune does not have that picture; it says the first man he killed only had a plastic bag!	SunSeeker	Aug 2020	#58
Just going by what the people on the scene said, that he had a handgun	Baclava	Aug 2020	#60
No, you're not. Rosenbaum had a plastic bag, not a handgun.	SunSeeker	Aug 2020	#62
DU isnt a courthouse, you weren't there, I'm not a lawyer presenting evidence, just reading, lol	Baclava	Aug 2020	#63
You're not "just reading." You're spreading right wing propaganda. nt	SunSeeker	Aug 2020	#65
From USAToday? Grosskreutz appeared "to be holding a handgun in his right hand when he was shot"	Baclava	Aug 2020	#66
But no one says he was pointing it at Rittenhouse. How does Rittenhouse have a right to shoot him?	SunSeeker	Aug 2020	#73
I never said he did, just that he had a gun, I guess we'll find out in a couple years at trial	Baclava	Aug 2020	#75
From the NYTimes account	FBaggins	Aug 2020	#77
So again, no evidence the man with the gun pointed it at Rittenhouse.	SunSeeker	Aug 2020	#78
NY Post is a NAZI RAG. Always has been..	AZ8theist	Aug 2020	#99
The good guy with the gun didn't use it...	Historic NY	Aug 2020	#44
Lin Wood recently represented Covington Catholic teen Nick Sandmann.	SunSeeker	Aug 2020	#33
Thanks. It's useful to know the 'fake news' bubble he comes from.	ancianita	Aug 2020	#39
Oh, and he's an anti-masker and QAnon fan. He's scum.	SunSeeker	Aug 2020	#46
Wow. That adds a whole nother level of hackery to the likelihood of his so-called success rate.	ancianita	Aug 2020	#47
Lin Wood is backed up by a whole team of high powered lawyers.	SunSeeker	Aug 2020	#49
I was just reading his site's Prosecution of the Radical Left. You're not kidding.	ancianita	Aug 2020	#51
Looks like the fix is in.	Doug.Goodall	Aug 2020	#42
What fix?	dware	Aug 2020	#43
The right wing is pouring money into his defense. He's not paying for it.	SunSeeker	Aug 2020	#48
And this has what to do with my post?	dware	Aug 2020	#82
The prosecuting attorney in Kenosha stated the quick charges were to deter further violence	Doug.Goodall	Aug 2020	#50
Like it or not he will be allowed to go free	DVRacer	Aug 2020	#53
Self defense has to be proportional.	SunSeeker	Aug 2020	#64
Here is a clip of the fire	DVRacer	Aug 2020	#67
That's just a random clip of a dumster. It does not show Rosenbaum, let alone his "aggression."	SunSeeker	Aug 2020	#72
If you can stomach it here is a recap	DVRacer	Aug 2020	#76
The "Commies Don't Surf" narrator showed no video of Rosenbaum's "aggression" on Rittenhouse.	SunSeeker	Aug 2020	#79
Anyone who thinks he's not going to walk	Codeine	Aug 2020	#69
I think those that think it is a slam dunk case of self defense are fooling themselves	JonLP24	Aug 2020	#92
I don't think it's a GOOD case of self defense,	Codeine	Aug 2020	#102
Traveling across state lines with an assault weapon is hunting, not self-defense	dlk	Aug 2020	#59
The rifle belonged to a friend of his who lived in WI.	Kaleva	Aug 2020	#68
But Rittenhouse posted pictures of himself with that gun on social media.	SunSeeker	Aug 2020	#74
I haven't seen anything that confrims the mother drove him.	Kaleva	Aug 2020	#81
I keep on reading here that the mom drove him there,	dware	Aug 2020	#84
This vigilante thug still traveled across state lines	dlk	Aug 2020	#80
BULLSHIT nt	Progressive Jones	Aug 2020	#89
Easy enough to prove or disprove.	Kaleva	Aug 2020	#91
Doesn't matter anyway. He was in illegal possession of that weapon. He's under 18. NT	Progressive Jones	Aug 2020	#105
I think that charge is going to be hotly debated.	Kaleva	Sep 2020	#106
Well, what's he gonna say? "Yeah, the kid is guilty."	malthaussen	Aug 2020	#83
Let the children play.	Steelrolled	Aug 2020	#85
Of Course He Did!	Upward	Aug 2020	#86
I've seen the charging document. Not one comment by a detective/officer	Progressive Jones	Aug 2020	#88

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