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Cowpunk

(719 posts)
16. This lousy fact check is all about the phony "balance"
Thu Oct 4, 2012, 01:12 AM
Oct 2012

Let's look at some of the president's supposed missteps:

OBAMA: It's important "that we take some of the money that we're saving as we wind down two wars to rebuild America."

THE FACTS: This oft-repeated claim is based on a fiscal fiction. The wars in Iraq and Afghanistan were paid for mostly with borrowed money, so stopping them doesn't create a new pool of available cash that can be used for something else, like rebuilding America. It just slows down the government's borrowing.


Really? It's a "fiscal fiction" that ending the wars will cost less than continuing them?

OBAMA: "Gov. Romney's central economic plan calls for a $5 trillion tax cut - on top of the extension of the Bush tax cuts, that's another trillion dollars - and $2 trillion in additional military spending that the military hasn't asked for. That's $8 trillion. How we pay for that, reduce the deficit, and make the investments that we need to make, without dumping those costs onto middle-class Americans, I think is one of the central questions of this campaign."

THE FACTS: Obama's claim that Romney wants to cut taxes by $5 trillion doesn't add up. Presumably, Obama was talking about the effect of Romney's tax plan over 10 years, which is common in Washington. But Obama's math doesn't take into account Romney's entire plan.

Romney proposes to reduce income tax rates by 20 percent and eliminate the estate tax and the alternative minimum tax. The Tax Policy Center, a Washington research group, says that would reduce federal tax revenues by $465 billion in 2015, which would add up to about $5 trillion over 10 years.

However, Romney says he wants to pay for the tax cuts by reducing or eliminating tax credits, deductions and exemptions. The goal is a simpler tax code that raises the same amount of money as the current system but does it in a more efficient manner.

The knock on Romney's plan, which Obama accurately cited, is that Romney has refused to say which tax breaks he would eliminate to pay for the lower rates.


I don't see how these FACTS in any way dispute what Obama said about Romney's tax plan. Do you?
This is the eye of the tiger moment for the president magic59 Oct 2012 #1
One can't be the eye of the tiger Submariner Oct 2012 #3
It Was Opposite Mitt Night otohara Oct 2012 #6
He was MittNIO with his flip flops/ lies goclark Oct 2012 #26
It may not be the eye of the tiger, But Romney is the tiger of the lies nt Xipe Totec Oct 2012 #24
Pres Obama needs to POUND him on leftynyc Oct 2012 #27
You contradicted yourself here flamingdem Oct 2012 #33
No - most undecided people are just starting to leftynyc Oct 2012 #35
Didn't I hear this in your post in the other thread? defacto7 Oct 2012 #4
I very much disagree as well Scairp Oct 2012 #9
agree, he proved douchiness and wasn't presidential nt flamingdem Oct 2012 #34
Yeah, Romney scores big PossumSqueezins Oct 2012 #13
Fact Checker is full of **it. Tigress DEM Oct 2012 #2
Forty Cents of EVERY Dollar That the Federal Govt. Spends is BORROWED MONEY triplepoint Oct 2012 #5
Right, so anything we can do to lower that amount DOES lessen our spending. Tigress DEM Oct 2012 #7
Forty Cents of EVERY Dollar That the Federal Govt. Spends is BORROWED MONEY...from CHINA LaydeeBug Oct 2012 #8
wrongo triplepoint Oct 2012 #10
I'm sorry WHO has the largest portion? WHO is splitting hairs? please. nt LaydeeBug Oct 2012 #37
Say What? triplepoint Oct 2012 #38
No. The government borrows from all kinds of people including other governments JDPriestly Oct 2012 #12
And there's a hidden threat to it also, especially to the Chinese - fuck with the dollar, fuck .... marble falls Oct 2012 #25
and they ALSO borrow FROM CHINA. nt LaydeeBug Oct 2012 #36
Krugman: lots of people keep getting this wrong; it's the last thing we need to worry about. pampango Oct 2012 #19
debates used to be fun to watch but until bush stole the election PatrynXX Oct 2012 #11
Romney To Jim Leher (sp) "I Like You Too" DallasNE Oct 2012 #14
More like "I like to fire people". glinda Oct 2012 #15
This lousy fact check is all about the phony "balance" Cowpunk Oct 2012 #16
The Fact Checker Also Left Out DallasNE Oct 2012 #17
I think Obama is biding his time Scairp Oct 2012 #18
Nope... sendero Oct 2012 #20
I totally agree with you. I don't think president obama okieinpain Oct 2012 #21
Obama "lost" the debate.. sendero Oct 2012 #23
President Obama Did The Right Thing bucolic_frolic Oct 2012 #22
When is the Biden Debate? goclark Oct 2012 #29
yes hockeynut57 Oct 2012 #30
Not Obama's best performance, hardly as bad as some say. julian09 Oct 2012 #32
Played to perfection rtracey Oct 2012 #28
Did fact checker get a peek at Mitt's crib sheet? /nt MatthewStLouis Oct 2012 #31
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