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Response to olddad56 (Reply #13)

Fri Sep 28, 2012, 11:01 AM

14. Or, you are for the child losing his home, while his father has a state provided home???


You responded to Shrike's response to my my first post on this thread, where I pointed out the biggest problem was in-family not out of family perpetrators. I did respond to him about what the Church should have been doing (and has since adopted regulations to that affect), but your comment was directed at Shrike's comments NOT my later comments and I feel I have to respond to that attack on Shrike's agreement with my first comment on this thread.

Remember, the sub-topic I started was about the 90-95% of pedophilia cases, those where an older male has sex with a younger relative. In most cases a Father with his pre-teen or younger son. Are you advocating that the son should lose his HOME, change schools, lose his current friends due to the move, change from a situation where food and clothing are things he does not have to worry about, to one where it is his top concern?

The sub-topic is that the vast majority of cases are in-family, not someone outside the family. Thus you statement can mean only one thing, in the situation I pointed out, you want the father to go to Jail, so he can NOT support his son the victim AND thus the father has no worries as to housings, education, food or clothing (all provided by the State) while the VICTIM position is change from where he did not have to worry about housings, education, food or clothing to one where they become his main concern?

I did mention equal protection of the laws, it is the clause in most State and the Federal Constitution that says you have to treat everyone equally. i.e. if a father rapes his son, he has to face the same punishment as if an outsider rape his son. The reverse is also true, if an outsider rape's a man's son, that person should face the same punishment as if the Father had done the raping. It is the concept known as "Equal Protection of the Law".

Given the concept of Equal Protection of the laws, what should the punishment be in such rape cases? At the same time the law has a policy that a punishment should be more severe on the perpetrator then the victim. In the case of in-family rape, that is almost impossible to do UNLESS you leave the perpetrator out of jail so he can obtain employment and pay support. If you can send a Father to Jail AND the victim (his son) gets the same amount of support as if the Father was working, not a problem, but that is practically impossible in most cases. In my home county of Cambria County PA, welfare pays only $174 for one person, $279 for two, $365 for three, $454 for four, $543 for five, $614 for six and $83 for each additional person. Even if the Father was earning only minimum wage ($7.15 an hour) he would be contributing $286 per week or $1172.60 per month to that household. If we assume the victim had been living with his mother and father (Very common in abuse cases) $1172.60 less $279 is a difference of $893.60 per month. Food stamps would be available but the max amount for Food Stamps for two is only $367 per month for a family of two (i.e. the Welfare grant of $279 and a Food Stamp allotment of $367 once the Father goes to jail)

Pa Welfare payment Schedule:

Food Stamps payments:

When the son goes on Welfare, a welfare family of two only gets $367 per month in Food Stamps.

Please note if the Father was earning minimum wage, his family would have been eligible for Food stamps. Since his income was way above welfare the calculation would have been something like this:
Income times 30% or $1172.6 x .3 = $351.78
Then subtract that number from the Food Stamps for three (Father, Mother and son) which is only $526 (i.e. less then zero), thus the food stamps while father is living with son was still $172.22.

Thus total income, Father working Minimum wage would be: $1172.60 PLUS $172.22 Food Stamps. Total of 1346.62

Once the Father goes to jail, the Child and Mother would be getting $279 welfare AND $367 in Food Stamps. Total $646 per month.

A difference of $700.62 per month.

Food Stamps for 2012:

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