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84. Assange will never be a big deal to the American public

Fri Sep 21, 2012, 04:00 PM

Sep 2012

it is seen as a British / Swedish / Ecuadorian issue. As long as Obama ignores Assange (which he will) the America public will too. For one thing, I doubt many of them associate him with the Manning case - I don't see Assange playing a huge role in the trial.

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Vivienne Westwood uses London Fashion Week to declare support for Assange [View all] reorg Sep 2012 OP

No - Designer uses Assange to get press during Fashion Week jberryhill Sep 2012 #1

She doesn't need side issue press coverage. dipsydoodle Sep 2012 #4

Actually her show was to feature Climate Change.... KoKo Sep 2012 #8

A picture of herself labelled "I'm Julian Assange" sure calls awareness to climate, doesn't it? struggle4progress Sep 2012 #11

Yes...It was an incredible show of PRINCIPLES! That she did this KoKo Sep 2012 #15

That's Vivienne Westwood, fool! bitchkitty Sep 2012 #24

Somewhat off topic, about Vivienne's line. Firebrand Gary Sep 2012 #2

WoW!!! She's awesome! DesertDiamond Sep 2012 #3

Okay, but is there a reason to actually care? davidthegnome Sep 2012 #5

If I was Assange, I'd care. randome Sep 2012 #6

According to the article, that's Vivienne Westwood's photo on T-Shirt KoKo Sep 2012 #7

The office is not "caught in a diplomatic standoff" treestar Sep 2012 #9

The U.K. threatened IN WRITING to storm the Ecuadoran embassy! Peace Patriot Sep 2012 #10

No they did not. hack89 Sep 2012 #14

You're saying it wasn't a threat? Aw, come on. You gotta be kidding. Peace Patriot Sep 2012 #17

It was not a threat to storm the embassy - stop moving the goal posts hack89 Sep 2012 #18

About this "lack of international support"... AntiFascist Sep 2012 #19

Latin America is outraged - the rest of the world not so much. hack89 Sep 2012 #20

The US itself does practice much of the same type of asylum... AntiFascist Sep 2012 #21

You just posted the difference between political and diplomatic asylum hack89 Sep 2012 #22

Sorry I misspoke... AntiFascist Sep 2012 #23

Those are all people escaping political persecution by despotic regimes. hack89 Sep 2012 #25

Again, the point is... AntiFascist Sep 2012 #27

No - Assange is accused of rape in Sweden hack89 Sep 2012 #29

Then you are essentially calling the diplomats liars... AntiFascist Sep 2012 #30

Because we know governments never lie? That every action they take is with the purest intentions? hack89 Sep 2012 #31

Suspect all you want... AntiFascist Sep 2012 #33

So perhaps Correa is using Assange to advance his stature in South America hack89 Sep 2012 #34

Maybe you should read the entire article... AntiFascist Sep 2012 #37

No - it is about Correa using Assange to further his personal ambitions. hack89 Sep 2012 #38

OK so he seized an opportunity to further his personal ambitions... AntiFascist Sep 2012 #39

So when Assange becomes a liability hack89 Sep 2012 #40

don't worry reorg Sep 2012 #43

Correa was the one who threw Barankov back in jail hack89 Sep 2012 #50

Presidents through people in jail? reorg Sep 2012 #56

Barankov was previously arrested in Ecuador... AntiFascist Sep 2012 #44

Barankov was granted political asylum in 2010 and the visa charge was dropped hack89 Sep 2012 #47

Then there you go... AntiFascist Sep 2012 #57

So you want this guy extradited? reorg Sep 2012 #48

It doesn't matter what I want... AntiFascist Sep 2012 #52

Sorry, I didn't see you username reorg Sep 2012 #55

How did you become an expert in Swedish judicial procedures? reorg Sep 2012 #26

From the British High Court ruling hack89 Sep 2012 #28

read my post again reorg Sep 2012 #42

Now read the prosecutors statement again. hack89 Sep 2012 #46

Yes, let's go back to where you started reorg Sep 2012 #53

She says that Assange will be indicted immediately after the interview hack89 Sep 2012 #58

You obviously crave to see it but the prosecutor doesn't say any such thing reorg Sep 2012 #60

What the hell do you think this means? hack89 Sep 2012 #61

It means reorg Sep 2012 #62

In any respect it is all irrelevent. hack89 Sep 2012 #63

Like a head of state or a governor reorg Sep 2012 #65

He is perfectly safe. And perfectly impotent hack89 Sep 2012 #67

hack89 I wanted to ask you something. When you say: freshwest Sep 2012 #97

Question of Diplomatic Asylum : Report of the [UN] Secretary-General [22 September 1975] struggle4progress Sep 2012 #98

The OAS is the only world organization with a treaty that recognizes diplomatic ayslum hack89 Sep 2012 #102

There is some threat of persecution in Australia... AntiFascist Sep 2012 #105

Still does not make it political asylum. nt hack89 Sep 2012 #107

The OAS has jurisdiction over Ecuador... AntiFascist Sep 2012 #109

Too bad the Ecuadorian embassy is in Britain hack89 Sep 2012 #110

Ecuador takes a different position... AntiFascist Sep 2012 #111

You do realize that the US did not sign that OAS treaty? hack89 Sep 2012 #112

and Ecuador has threatened to take this to the ICJ... AntiFascist Sep 2012 #113

The ICJ rejected diplomatic asylum 60 years ago hack89 Sep 2012 #114

According to one Latin American writer... AntiFascist Sep 2012 #115

I doubt we will ever find out. hack89 Sep 2012 #116

Consent may already be present in the form of a treaty or unilateral declaration... AntiFascist Sep 2012 #118

I would bet not. hack89 Sep 2012 #119

The point is moot... AntiFascist Sep 2012 #120

I can't see the UK letting Assange go to Ecuador hack89 Sep 2012 #121

Have you not been keeping up with the news? AntiFascist Sep 2012 #122

Why would Sweden allow Assange to jerk them around like this? hack89 Sep 2012 #123

Sweden should only be interested in concluding their case... AntiFascist Sep 2012 #124

But setting precedents like this is not done lightly hack89 Sep 2012 #125

Actually there is... AntiFascist Sep 2012 #126

Not happening? Seriously? AntiFascist Sep 2012 #13

How was the UK "humiliated"? hack89 Sep 2012 #32

According to the BBC... AntiFascist Sep 2012 #35

Until the issue is resolved and the winners and losers are determined hack89 Sep 2012 #36

The latest news of the direct US investigation of Assange's role in the cable leaks... AntiFascist Sep 2012 #41

Or Assange supporters are making mountains out of molehills hack89 Sep 2012 #45

I'm not an "Assange supporter" per se... AntiFascist Sep 2012 #49

The Swedish judicial system is one of the most fair and open systems in the world hack89 Sep 2012 #51

Please see my post here... AntiFascist Sep 2012 #54

Assange does not have too many options hack89 Sep 2012 #59

Again, he seems to have no problem going to Sweden under the right circumstances... AntiFascist Sep 2012 #66

You really believe that? hack89 Sep 2012 #68

He should only be scared of a Swedish prison cell... AntiFascist Sep 2012 #69

There is no US case to drop hack89 Sep 2012 #70

Sorry but you're wrong.... AntiFascist Sep 2012 #71

But the US is happy where Assange is hack89 Sep 2012 #72

How could Assange get a life sentence in a Swedish prison cell? AntiFascist Sep 2012 #73

Lifetime only applied to the embassy. hack89 Sep 2012 #74

He could be detained for up to about one year in Swedish prison... AntiFascist Sep 2012 #75

The US has nothing to decide. hack89 Sep 2012 #76

You keep ignoring the FACT... AntiFascist Sep 2012 #77

And I am saying the US does not have to say a word hack89 Sep 2012 #78

FOIA documentation disclosed... AntiFascist Sep 2012 #79

So Assange will have to sit tight for a year or so hack89 Sep 2012 #80

He says he is prepared to do just that... AntiFascist Sep 2012 #81

The Manning case will be open and shut hack89 Sep 2012 #82

"Most Americans" only know what the media chooses to tell them... AntiFascist Sep 2012 #83

Assange will never be a big deal to the American public hack89 Sep 2012 #84

My other point is... AntiFascist Sep 2012 #85

Perhaps - but it doesn't help Assange hack89 Sep 2012 #86

You may be wrong again... AntiFascist Sep 2012 #87

What's the point if he doesn't first agree to surrender to Swedish police hack89 Sep 2012 #88

The point is he would be conveniently available for repeated questioning reorg Sep 2012 #89

But what happens when the prosecutor says "you are under arrest"? hack89 Sep 2012 #90

the prosecutor already said that in November 2010 reorg Sep 2012 #91

So why should the Swedes waste their time? hack89 Sep 2012 #93

To finally resolve the matter? reorg Sep 2012 #96

Interesting that UK Foreign Minister Carr is telling blatant lies... AntiFascist Sep 2012 #99

He doesn't get to dictate to Sweden what they can and cannot do hack89 Sep 2012 #101

Wrong yet again... AntiFascist Sep 2012 #104

You have an interesting perspective hack89 Sep 2012 #106

I'm merely pointing out... AntiFascist Sep 2012 #108

I agree with you on the probable outcome of a Swedish trial hack89 Sep 2012 #117

This message was self-deleted by its author hack89 Sep 2012 #95

I'm not aware that he would have to make such an agreement... AntiFascist Sep 2012 #92

And when the prosecutors disagrees? What then? hack89 Sep 2012 #94

The prosecutor should only want to prosecute a valid case... AntiFascist Sep 2012 #100

That's funny - thanks for the laugh. hack89 Sep 2012 #103

Has she forgotten how the Climategate emails, released by Wikileaks, scuttled the Copenhagen summit? struggle4progress Sep 2012 #12

She is Showing her Stuff and protesting in the best way she knows how...FASHION! n/t KoKo Sep 2012 #16

Turn to the left... turn to the right... -..__... Sep 2012 #64