we shouldn't be in-fighting right now (Reply #109)

In the discussion thread: Portland antifa/right wing protests escalate to 'civil disturbance' [View all]

Sun Jun 30, 2019, 09:00 PM

109. we shouldn't be in-fighting right now

This is no time for half-measures.

This is no time for hesitation or platitudes.

Domestic nazis are killing peaceful citizens in our streets and there should be no debate about if or how we should protect and defend ourselves and our communities againt their clearly stated intentions to do us more harm.

We simply must come prepared to protect and defend ourselves against their violence and their violent ideology by whatever means necessary.

We should not start the violence, and so we don't, but we CAN NOT back down from it either.

The choosing peace part is entirely up to them.

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167 replies	Author	Time	Post
Portland antifa/right wing protests escalate to 'civil disturbance' [View all]	Judi Lynn	Jun 2019	OP
These people are trying to start a massive violent event	Iliyah	Jun 2019	#1
I vehemently disagree with you . A violent bag of assholesis just that, no matter what	CentralMass	Jun 2019	#4
But Iliyah is probably right: the intent is almost certainly there	sandensea	Jun 2019	#5
Usually doesn't end well for the instigators.	Brainfodder	Jul 2019	#155
I was planning to take the Max to the Moda Center shortly. Im thinking twice about it.	CentralMass	Jun 2019	#2
I'm sure police understand that you can crack a tRumpster over the head as hard as you can	yaesu	Jun 2019	#3
I unequivocally support and stand with the Antifa.	The Liberal Lion	Jun 2019	#6
I'm with you (and Antifa) as well... nt	EarthFirst	Jun 2019	#8
Never liked Antifa's methods...	TomVilmer	Jun 2019	#12
They do shit like throw concrete at people and eggs and bottles at cops	Jake Stern	Jun 2019	#18
War is hell	The Liberal Lion	Jun 2019	#22
I also stand with Antifa. The US kills Nazis, that's what we do.	Coventina	Jun 2019	#16
Exactly	The Liberal Lion	Jun 2019	#23
So you support murder	wryter2000	Jun 2019	#83
If you consider WW2 vets murderers, then yes, I support murder.	Coventina	Jun 2019	#98
We're not talking about WWII	wryter2000	Jul 2019	#128
If Nazis come after me, I will defend myself by any means necessary.	Coventina	Jul 2019	#141
The US Army during World War II was the US Army	Tommy_Carcetti	Jul 2019	#145
Don't care. Nazis are still Nazis. n/t	Coventina	Jul 2019	#148
Yeah, but you do realize if you kill a neo-nazi	Tommy_Carcetti	Jul 2019	#162
Sad that we are now a fascist state. I'm not going down without a fight.	Coventina	Jul 2019	#163
The Nazi Party ended in World War 2	BurntPickle	Jul 2019	#167
This message was self-deleted by its author	Jake Stern	Jun 2019	#17
Do you unequivocally support their use of a chemical weapon that can cause significant bodily...	Marengo	Jun 2019	#20
What part of unequivocal was ambiguous?	The Liberal Lion	Jun 2019	#21
So you also support the beating of Alejandro Godinez and Luis Torres?	Marengo	Jun 2019	#25
No matter how you phrase it my answer remains the same	The Liberal Lion	Jun 2019	#26
So, it's okay to physically assault innocent persons based on their appearance?	Marengo	Jun 2019	#27
I make my choices in full recognition of their consequences	The Liberal Lion	Jun 2019	#30
With that, you've proven to me Antifa blackshirts are no better than Proud Boy brownshirts.	Marengo	Jun 2019	#32
Well it's too bad you take my words to judge them, but so be it.	The Liberal Lion	Jun 2019	#38
Yeah, I tend to judge anyone who thinks it's acceptable to physically assault someone based...	Marengo	Jun 2019	#44
You're fighting the good fight here, but also wasting your time.	Jedi Guy	Jun 2019	#92
No better than street gangs	ripcord	Jun 2019	#108
Not sure I understand your comment, ripcord.	Jedi Guy	Jun 2019	#112
Where are you from is what gang members ask strangers before they start shooting	ripcord	Jul 2019	#123
Ohhhhhh, okay. Now I'm tracking.	Jedi Guy	Jul 2019	#130
I agree	ripcord	Jul 2019	#134
There's a self identified pacifist in this thread who says this incident is acceptable collateral...	Marengo	Jul 2019	#152
We don't accept that pitiful excuse from republicans	ripcord	Jul 2019	#159
Thanks for the back up a Jedi Guy. Substituting one violent ideology for a another, as many of the..	Marengo	Jul 2019	#120
It's nice to know that there are other folks on DU who feel the same way I do.	Jedi Guy	Jul 2019	#121
+1	DashOneBravo	Jul 2019	#138
A pox on both their houses	wryter2000	Jun 2019	#81
bEcAuSe a bUnCh oF GuYs tHoWiNg mIlKsHaKeS Is jUsT As bAd...	backscatter712	Jun 2019	#88
I was referring to the assault on Alejandro Godinez and Luis Torres by Antifa members. Who did...	Marengo	Jun 2019	#91
I'm with you	duhneece	Jul 2019	#124
Hmmm. Let's see. They're wearing LARP armor, and have garbage lid shields with faesces on them...	backscatter712	Jun 2019	#95
You really don't have any credibility, do you? They were off-duty Marines in civilian attire...	Marengo	Jun 2019	#106
There are quite a few Latinx proud boys	samir.g	Jul 2019	#133
Begs the question as to why.	Marengo	Jul 2019	#157
Beats me.	samir.g	Jul 2019	#164
Like a sweet ol grand dad looking dude trying to run down a trans woman?	fleabiscuit	Jul 2019	#149
Antifa or Proud Boy? I have a difficulty determining the difference.	Marengo	Jul 2019	#151
"Why doesn't the SPLC list antifa as a hate group?"	fleabiscuit	Jul 2019	#160
I'm not a member. But I'm not afraid of them either.	fleabiscuit	Jul 2019	#161
May I ask you what is so upsetting to to you I would support the Antifa?	The Liberal Lion	Jun 2019	#28
Oh please, peddle that propaganda elsewhere. You offer nothing more than same shit different...	Marengo	Jun 2019	#37
Then so be it. You are my enemy.	The Liberal Lion	Jun 2019	#40
Cant say for anyone else	quakerboy	Jul 2019	#114
Was the assault on Alejandro Godinez and Luis Torres an act of self defense?	Marengo	Jul 2019	#118
Is perfection expected of any group?	quakerboy	Jul 2019	#125
Ok, so we have you on record saying it's acceptable to physically assault individuals, innocent of..	Marengo	Jul 2019	#126
You are desperate arent you. Gotta find that strawman so you can get your dig in.	quakerboy	Jul 2019	#142
Thugs beating uninvolved persons based on their appearance while shouting racial epithets are...	Marengo	Jul 2019	#146
American citizens standing up to organized armed invaders in our cities	quakerboy	Jul 2019	#165
You're as much a pacifist as I'm the Queen of Egypt, and this conversation is a waste of my time.	Marengo	Jul 2019	#166
Me too. Fuck the Nazis - they're getting what's coming to them.	backscatter712	Jun 2019	#33
I take it then you would be okay with me splashing a "milkshake" of quickcrete slurry into the...	Marengo	Jun 2019	#70
You know that the "concrete milkshake" story is a neo-Nazi lie, don't you?	backscatter712	Jun 2019	#73
Is that a deflection attempt I detect? It sure is, and I wonder why you won't answer my question.	Marengo	Jun 2019	#75
And why should I answer a question about a wholly fabricated hypothetical?	backscatter712	Jun 2019	#93
Oh, it's obvious you do approve. Claiming otherwise is the only disingenuousness here. Once again.	Marengo	Jun 2019	#104
Damn straight!	Downtown Hound	Jun 2019	#36
Fuck Nazis.	alphafemale	Jun 2019	#85
I'm sorry but the people who call themselves "Antifa" are sketchy as hell	Tommy_Carcetti	Jul 2019	#143
That Nazi murderer of Heather Heyer	BigmanPigman	Jun 2019	#7
The tactic of these groups is to create violence, antifa allows them this	happyaccident	Jun 2019	#29
If you think these modern Nazis aren't violent	Downtown Hound	Jun 2019	#39
I'm talking about nazi marches where they try to create havoc for the media	happyaccident	Jun 2019	#51
I've participated in black bloc led break away marches in San Francisco	Downtown Hound	Jun 2019	#53
That's awesome, thanks for your involvement	happyaccident	Jun 2019	#61
Read up a little on the troll storms and harassment campaigns they have organized against	Downtown Hound	Jun 2019	#63
That's a good point. Something to consider, thanks	happyaccident	Jun 2019	#68
And just to add a little evidence to let you know that I'm not bullshitting	Downtown Hound	Jun 2019	#57
Wow that was cool, it's been awhile seeing that kind of protest	happyaccident	Jun 2019	#67
Likewise	Downtown Hound	Jun 2019	#99
if you don't stand up to the Nazis it will spread. History has proven that.	rockfordfile	Jun 2019	#84
100% lock guarantee	quakerboy	Jun 2019	#9
How many of these cops have swastikas, SS bolts, or "1488" tattooed under their uniforms?	backscatter712	Jun 2019	#60
If you go to the article	quakerboy	Jul 2019	#113
UPDATE: Demonstrators clash in Portland, Oregon, throw 'concrete milkshakes'	brooklynite	Jun 2019	#10
I do believe it's the Nazis that are making up the "concrete" part.	backscatter712	Jun 2019	#34
I have received information that some of the Portland Police Dept are	Triloon	Jun 2019	#45
ACAB. Half the cops in this country are wearing swastika tattoos under their uniforms.	backscatter712	Jun 2019	#56
You've got a citation to back up that assertion and you're gonna link it any second now, right?	Jedi Guy	Jun 2019	#90
This information is what, and from who?	Marengo	Jun 2019	#78
well it's a kind of joke.	Triloon	Jun 2019	#100
This message was self-deleted by its author	Jake Stern	Jun 2019	#11
If now isn't the time for protests like these, when will the time be right?	Paladin	Jun 2019	#13
I agree	The Liberal Lion	Jun 2019	#14
Non violence requires more bravery and is actually effective	happyaccident	Jun 2019	#31
"Non violence requires more bravery and is actually effective"	Downtown Hound	Jun 2019	#41
Then pick up a gun and start fighting.	happyaccident	Jun 2019	#46
If it really comes down to that, you better believe I will	Downtown Hound	Jun 2019	#47
Yep, and also tell that to the LGBTQIA community.	backscatter712	Jun 2019	#48
That's the thing all the non-violence fanatics want to forget	Downtown Hound	Jun 2019	#50
I like how you put it	The Liberal Lion	Jun 2019	#52
Even the non-violent tactics are not actually non-violent.	backscatter712	Jun 2019	#54
Given our current situation I agree with you 100%	The Liberal Lion	Jun 2019	#55
Fuck yeah. When the right wing started throwing babies into concentration camps...	backscatter712	Jun 2019	#35
It depends on what you mean by "like these." Masked individuals attacking others?	eallen	Jun 2019	#42
They're already throwing babies into concentration camps. When does it become time?	backscatter712	Jun 2019	#49
Who are "they"?	eallen	Jun 2019	#58
Oh, but we do both know the connection.	backscatter712	Jun 2019	#62
So, you're going to decide who you violently attack?	eallen	Jun 2019	#65
What's the connection to Alejandro Godinez and Luis Torres?	Marengo	Jun 2019	#71
The Neo-Nazi repulbicans support the death camps. They have a history of that	rockfordfile	Jun 2019	#87
What's this about some reporter getting beat up?	Jake Stern	Jun 2019	#15
They've got their panties in a bunch because an alt-right "journalist" tried to dox Antifa members..	backscatter712	Jun 2019	#101
Figured there was more to it. Alt-righties wouldn't have shown much care for a CNN reporter	Jake Stern	Jun 2019	#103
Andy Ngo got what was coming to him.	samir.g	Jul 2019	#135
Learned quite a bit about him recently	Jake Stern	Jul 2019	#137
There's a hardcore advocate of doxxing participating in this thread. When given specific examples...	Marengo	Jul 2019	#150
A couple points	Jake Stern	Jul 2019	#154
Agree with all your points	Marengo	Jul 2019	#156
Antifa's tactics are wrong. We lose when we stand by them.	eallen	Jun 2019	#19
I would say when they blantatly alter vote totals	The Liberal Lion	Jun 2019	#24
Antifa stood up to the alt right in Charlottesville	Downtown Hound	Jun 2019	#43
The alt right is doing fine. Antifa did nothing about recent right-wing violence in Oregon.	eallen	Jun 2019	#59
Alt right is not doing just fine	Downtown Hound	Jun 2019	#64
Where were they when the 3%-ers were promising armed support to Republican legislators?	eallen	Jun 2019	#66
If you're implying that the fact that the alt-right didn't show up	Downtown Hound	Jun 2019	#96
I really wonder - does Gavin McInnes control both groups?	Initech	Jun 2019	#69
Someone should reign in these Antifa guys	dustyscamp	Jun 2019	#72
Again, the concrete milkshake rumor is literally fake news. Made up by the Nazis.	backscatter712	Jun 2019	#74
I got to look into that	dustyscamp	Jun 2019	#76
Between you and the Portland PD, who are we to believe?	Marengo	Jun 2019	#77
Of course, the Portland Police is always trustworthy.	backscatter712	Jun 2019	#80
If you had anything substantive to back your claim you wouldn't need to fall back on the...	Marengo	Jun 2019	#82
You're the one screaming about concrete. You show proof.	backscatter712	Jun 2019	#86
And your proof it's "fake news" is?	Marengo	Jun 2019	#94
Not that I'm obligated to play your gish-gallop game, but...	backscatter712	Jun 2019	#97
Ahahahaha! That's it?? Your irrefutable proof is a tweet from a moron who thinks weaponized...	Marengo	Jun 2019	#107
Post removed	Post removed	Jun 2019	#110
Weapons-grade concrete mix is nothing to mess with!	.99center	Jun 2019	#111
Not Portland PD	quakerboy	Jul 2019	#115
This message was self-deleted by its author	Chin music	Jun 2019	#79
The point is Oregon needs to get rid of these Nazi "proud boys"	rockfordfile	Jun 2019	#89
I dont disagree with you, but it should be known	Triloon	Jun 2019	#102
Anyone know who that old dude is in the bottom pic?	jcmaine72	Jun 2019	#105
Im gonna say he is almost certianly with the proud boys	quakerboy	Jul 2019	#116
Thanks for the info.	jcmaine72	Jul 2019	#117
we shouldn't be in-fighting right now	JustThinking...	Jun 2019	#109
What are the perimeters of "whatever means necessary"?	Marengo	Jul 2019	#119
I think it's reasonable...	JustThinking...	Jul 2019	#122
K.	Tommy_Carcetti	Jul 2019	#144
Thanks for the thoughtful reply, I'll reply in kind when I have the time to give it the...	Marengo	Jul 2019	#153
Yes, please do	JustThinking...	Jul 2019	#158
Today on" instigating crackdown theater".	Zoonart	Jul 2019	#127
Antifa may be called a movement but is made up of so may different political ideals	Everyman Jackal	Jul 2019	#129
Agent provocateur	JustThinking...	Jul 2019	#131
Used by Nixon's campaign.	Everyman Jackal	Jul 2019	#132
occupy had their share also.	JustThinking...	Jul 2019	#136
This Milkshake Kills Fascists	bongo boy	Jul 2019	#139
What does that even mean? n/t	GP6971	Jul 2019	#140
It's a reference to this	dustyscamp	Jul 2019	#147

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