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159. Both Trump and Maduro can be bad guys.

Reply to ronnie624 (Reply #151)

Thu Mar 14, 2019, 12:26 PM

Mar 2019

And in fact, both are.

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Venezuela's Guaido calls for massive protest as blackout drags on [View all] oldsoftie Mar 2019 OP

Yeah, especially when the US funds that downward slide Farmer-Rick Mar 2019 #1

They didnt have a chance in hell when they stole private property & stopped paying bills. oldsoftie Mar 2019 #2

That would be the company line, yes quakerboy Mar 2019 #3

No one will do business with you when you refuse to pay your bills. oldsoftie Mar 2019 #11

There is no comparison with the two economies hack89 Mar 2019 #12

You mistake me quakerboy Mar 2019 #58

Saudi Arabia is a well run country hack89 Mar 2019 #71

Yes, that would be the company line. Thanks for the recitation. quakerboy Mar 2019 #148

It is actually the truth hack89 Mar 2019 #153

There is no comparing Venezuela and Saudi GatoGordo Mar 2019 #158

The company line? GatoGordo Mar 2019 #15

I am certain many palms are greased quakerboy Mar 2019 #59

They probably could have gotten away with stealing private citizens property. Calista241 Mar 2019 #4

Yeah, because companies christx30 Mar 2019 #57

Hopefully Maduro allows a peaceful protest ripcord Mar 2019 #5

The "opposition" is never peaceful. n/t ronnie624 Mar 2019 #6

They launched violent protests they call "guarimbas" as soon as Chavez was elected. Judi Lynn Mar 2019 #7

+1 ronnie624 Mar 2019 #8

Maybe they can get some relief when their next payday from N.E.D. arrives for them.) Judi Lynn Mar 2019 #65

Thanks. ronnie624 Mar 2019 #67

Slingshots against automatic weapons. Go see who is in the morgues in VZ oldsoftie Mar 2019 #10

damn slingshots GatoGordo Mar 2019 #16

That's not staged at all. ronnie624 Mar 2019 #20

if you say so GatoGordo Mar 2019 #22

I went to the site where that photo was published, "El Diestro," a fascist rag in Spain. Judi Lynn Mar 2019 #63

What a 'shock' to see such propaganda posted here. ronnie624 Mar 2019 #64

So odd! It's almost like the "Onion" until you realize that's their idea of reading material! Judi Lynn Mar 2019 #66

Ugh. Nasty. Ghost Dog Mar 2019 #68

The worshipers of the fascist, dirty mass-murdering, torture-loving Franco's legacy. Judi Lynn Mar 2019 #69

Same picture found in the PanAm Post. And various blogs. GatoGordo Mar 2019 #147

It's definitely comical. The one in charge has no sense of subtlety, for sure. Judi Lynn Mar 2019 #123

Notice all of the 'communist' icons, lol? n/t ronnie624 Mar 2019 #125

Hilarious! Someone wants you to see they are the "enemy." n/t Judi Lynn Mar 2019 #127

SURE! All of these pictures (as Max Blumenthal has "proven" ) are all CIA staged events GatoGordo Mar 2019 #149

if I sign up can I get a grenade launcher PupCamo Mar 2019 #48

All you have to do is move to Venezuela GatoGordo Mar 2019 #50

do I get my choice of color PupCamo Mar 2019 #54

It is a "revolution" of the well off. irresistable Mar 2019 #27

They haven't had control since 1976. It's written into their (serial) Constitutions GatoGordo Mar 2019 #28

You are leaving out the part of the history in the 90's where Exxon was once again involved. irresistable Mar 2019 #29

Lots of companies involved in past. Only a few now. GatoGordo Mar 2019 #32

The clue that we are not being told the real truth is that Trump wants to overthrow the regime. irresistable Mar 2019 #33

About 85% of Venezuela wants to be out from under the boot-heel of Chavismo GatoGordo Mar 2019 #35

Halliburton is evil JonLP24 Mar 2019 #70

Their oil is also high sulfur and very viscous. Turbineguy Mar 2019 #31

Most of it, yes! GatoGordo Mar 2019 #34

And that's where the XL pipeline comes into play Miguel M Mar 2019 #52

The Keystone has ZERO to do with Venezuela and any "oil grab" there GatoGordo Mar 2019 #53

The rabid whites want their control back, too. n/t Judi Lynn Mar 2019 #124

Racist much? oldsoftie Mar 2019 #135

You are confused. The ones who are racist are the ones who have controlled the country Judi Lynn Mar 2019 #139

ALL of the country is suffering, except those bribed by Maduro. ALL races. 20 years of BS oldsoftie Mar 2019 #142

Many of us are totally familiar with propaganda. It's been so overused even stupid people see it. Judi Lynn Mar 2019 #143

Maduro needs all the useful idiots the world can spare GatoGordo Mar 2019 #145

Total Socialism always fails. Always. the people always suffer in the end. Always. Have fun. oldsoftie Mar 2019 #156

Maduro has murder squads roaming the country. The opposition doesnt. oldsoftie Mar 2019 #9

No he doesn't. That's complete poppycock. ronnie624 Mar 2019 #13

Yes, he does. Here's several articles about Maduros murderers. You should read more. oldsoftie Mar 2019 #14

Very little information there. ronnie624 Mar 2019 #18

"CIA propaganda". HAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHA. What a joke. oldsoftie Mar 2019 #41

I guess you forgot about when Dems and Repugs voted to invade Iraq because ... Miguel M Mar 2019 #94

Iraq was invaded because Dick Cheney is evil. Comparing VZ & Iraq is ridiculous. oldsoftie Mar 2019 #107

Was comparing the decision and weak rationale for them. Miguel M Mar 2019 #110

Make up whatever silly terms you want, name some FREE countries that support keeping Maduro? oldsoftie Mar 2019 #112

it's MSM so it doesn't count PupCamo Mar 2019 #49

And how hard right and corrupt the replacement will be. quakerboy Mar 2019 #60

Whoever takes over when Maduro is gone wont be as bad as him. oldsoftie Mar 2019 #82

Thats not usually how it works quakerboy Mar 2019 #150

The death squads are there. Plenty of evidence to show it. oldsoftie Mar 2019 #155

ronnie, have you been to Venezuela? GatoGordo Mar 2019 #17

That's not a logical arguement. n/t ronnie624 Mar 2019 #19

If you say so GatoGordo Mar 2019 #21

Logically then ronnie624 Mar 2019 #23

Is that your best syllogistic reasoning? GatoGordo Mar 2019 #24

Why the Washington Post 's New Ties to the CIA Are So Ominous ronnie624 Mar 2019 #25

None so blind as those who will not see nt COLGATE4 Mar 2019 #26

I'm sorry you have to go thru this EVERY time. EVERY time. Its amazing. oldsoftie Mar 2019 #42

Don't worry about me GatoGordo Mar 2019 #51

Keep peddling that tea! juxtaposed Mar 2019 #81

Maduro needs to get off his high horse Turbineguy Mar 2019 #30

Meh. He doesn't see a problem. GatoGordo Mar 2019 #36

I think that modern life is not conducive to revolution. Turbineguy Mar 2019 #39

I'm sorry, but who is this tool, and why should Americans care? Oneironaut Mar 2019 #37

"nobody cares what's going on in Venezuela"? GatoGordo Mar 2019 #40

"Who is this TOOL"??? He's the LEGITIMATE President of VZ, according to their constitution. oldsoftie Mar 2019 #43

Specifically, which articles of the Venezuelan constitution ronnie624 Mar 2019 #55

Here: EX500rider Mar 2019 #56

Im very curious as to their thread of reasoning quakerboy Mar 2019 #61

Here: EX500rider Mar 2019 #87

Interesting reading. Especially if you follow the rabbit hole quakerboy Mar 2019 #152

Article 233 ronnie624 Mar 2019 #62

Did you READ Article 350 that YOU quoted??? Maduro violates that clause DAILY. oldsoftie Mar 2019 #72

It's not our call. ronnie624 Mar 2019 #73

No, most, almost all, do NOT want MADURO as president. Show a legit poll showing otherwise. oldsoftie Mar 2019 #75

His base is 30% of the population; the largest by far. ronnie624 Mar 2019 #95

"economic warfare by the US" EX500rider Mar 2019 #96

No currency or oil market manipulation; no sanctions? ronnie624 Mar 2019 #99

Up until last month US sanctions only targeted a few govt officials for human rights violations. EX500rider Mar 2019 #104

You seem pretty keen on currency and oil market manipulations in Venezuela GatoGordo Mar 2019 #105

Foreign 'Visible Hand' of Market Exposed, Barred in Venezuela ronnie624 Mar 2019 #106

Telesur? Hahaha.. EX500rider Mar 2019 #117

Trump's base is 30%. We laugh at that. And Maduro's approval rating is BELOW 20%. try again. oldsoftie Mar 2019 #109

Not to mention if Trump declared the House of Rep null and void and made up his own one.. EX500rider Mar 2019 #88

Thank you. oldsoftie Mar 2019 #108

The Democratic Party is going to need to eventually solidLxxi Mar 2019 #38

"Elected twice"? The last election was a real one? Ha. oldsoftie Mar 2019 #44

"Maduro has been elected twice, he is not the dictator he has been accused of being" EX500rider Mar 2019 #45

What people don't/won't realize is that both Leopoldo Lopez and Henrique Capriles are leftists GatoGordo Mar 2019 #47

Everything you've posted is pro-Western propaganda from solidLxxi Mar 2019 #76

Sure, comrade. Ignore the FACTS posted by others about that "fair & square" election. oldsoftie Mar 2019 #78

Do you personally agree with the hostile solidLxxi Mar 2019 #85

THERE IS NO DEMOCRACY IN VENEZUELA. Its a dictatorship. Where ya been, comrade? oldsoftie Mar 2019 #111

When people vote on who their leaders solidLxxi Mar 2019 #172

Horseshit. Maduro jailed his true opponents & only let people as bad as him run. Just like Putin. oldsoftie Mar 2019 #173

The only people who were jailed were those solidLxxi Mar 2019 #176

Horseshit #2. Maduro also used "Fatherland" cards to vote. Sound familiar comrade? oldsoftie Mar 2019 #184

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" by the many who've benefited from Chavista policies over the years" EX500rider Mar 2019 #86

No, the people who have continued to vote Maduro and solidLxxi Mar 2019 #164

No one who is up on the matter thinks Maduro had majority support in the last election. EX500rider Mar 2019 #167

Their "popular leaders" have been involved in solidLxxi Mar 2019 #171

"because Venezuela's elections have been deemed free and fair by all observers" EX500rider Mar 2019 #175

The only "popular" leader you could be referring to solidLxxi Mar 2019 #178

"was trained in the US" translated as went to school in the US. EX500rider Mar 2019 #180

"pro-Western propaganda" You mean like Human Rights Watch? Amnesty Int? ReportersW/oBorders? EX500rider Mar 2019 #91

I notice the Maduro fans avoid this post like the plague.. EX500rider Mar 2019 #161

Yes, Human Rights Watch and Amnesty International solidLxxi Mar 2019 #163

Gotta ya, the only sources you can trust are Venz mouthpieces and Marxists blogs apparently..lol EX500rider Mar 2019 #166

Maduro Won ONE election, and that came on the back of Chavez' cult of personality GatoGordo Mar 2019 #46

The economic slowdown was more about the steep solidLxxi Mar 2019 #74

Their economy was going downhill with $90-100 oil. And Maduro blocked real opponents from the race. oldsoftie Mar 2019 #77

Did the price of oil ruin Venezuela's food production also? EX500rider Mar 2019 #90

The opposition boycotted last year's elections because they knew they couldn't win them, period. GatoGordo Mar 2019 #97

If Maduro was as hated as you claim, solidLxxi Mar 2019 #165

Yes they all love it there, that's why 10% of the country has fled... EX500rider Mar 2019 #168

Maduro's government hasn't been solidLxxi Mar 2019 #170

"The right-wing still runs their media" Said no one ever... EX500rider Mar 2019 #174

Who authored this Wikipedia page solidLxxi Mar 2019 #177

It has something your posts do not, footnotes to the original information. nt EX500rider Mar 2019 #179

Study: Wikipedia as accurate as Britannica EX500rider Mar 2019 #181

Britannica? More like BritannCIA Sapient Donkey Mar 2019 #182

The neat thing about wikipedia is there is some transparency in how content is worked out Sapient Donkey Mar 2019 #183

Rightwing talking points, day after day for years now. juxtaposed Mar 2019 #79

How's that possible when they're not in control of anything? Enlighten us, pleaase! oldsoftie Mar 2019 #80

So which of these are the fault of the RW expats? : EX500rider Mar 2019 #92

Message auto-removed Name removed Mar 2019 #83

This message was self-deleted by its author Huffleprecious Mar 2019 #84

I believe you meant to say he is elected President of the National Assembly of Venezuela? nt EX500rider Mar 2019 #169

Maduro is a piece of shit who ate empanada on live TV while his people starved ansible Mar 2019 #89

We had some big some big Mugabe fans here in the past, even a N Korea defender. EX500rider Mar 2019 #93

Reiterating US atrocities, including the forgotten slaughter of millions of Koreans ronnie624 Mar 2019 #100

Speak for youself...which I assume you are....nt EX500rider Mar 2019 #102

"slaughter of millions of Koreans"? Um, yeah, the North Koreans are the ones still killing oldsoftie Mar 2019 #113

Lol. n/t ronnie624 Mar 2019 #115

Exactly. Just as i figured. oldsoftie Mar 2019 #116

Curtis LeMay: ronnie624 Mar 2019 #119

None of which happens if the communists didnt invade the South. North got what they asked for. oldsoftie Mar 2019 #122

FOX 'news' version of 'history', if I ever heard it, lol. n/t ronnie624 Mar 2019 #126

Amazing! I did wonder if those in West Berlin knew the commies took Berlin. Judi Lynn Mar 2019 #128

The Russians took ALL of Berlin to end the war. There was no "West Berlin" yet. Jeeze. oldsoftie Mar 2019 #132

Facts are facts, you dont have to like them. Luckily, only a few here cant see the forest... oldsoftie Mar 2019 #134

N Korea started the war and then got their butts kicked by UN forces. nt EX500rider Mar 2019 #118

There was no 'North' Korea until the US divided the country. n/t ronnie624 Mar 2019 #121

You mean the Allied forces after WWII. EX500rider Mar 2019 #129

The US was THE world power following WWII. You're informed enough to know this. ronnie624 Mar 2019 #130

The USSR would beg to differ. nt EX500rider Mar 2019 #131

They might, but they would be wrong. ronnie624 Mar 2019 #133

The US didn't call any shots for Stalin. The Cold War was already in progress. nt EX500rider Mar 2019 #136

You're struggling. That doesn't even make sense. ronnie624 Mar 2019 #137

lol, yes the military that beat the Germans on the Eastern front was no threat? EX500rider Mar 2019 #140

Correct. n/t ronnie624 Mar 2019 #144

Ignorance is the single greatest tool of oppression. oldsoftie Mar 2019 #157

lol, so wrong. EX500rider Mar 2019 #160

It gets even better. GatoGordo Mar 2019 #98

So, Guaido called for massive demonstrations yesterday, Tuesday at 15:00, Ghost Dog Mar 2019 #101

Its only a matter of time before Guaido "throws himself out of a 10th floor window" of SEBIN HQ GatoGordo Mar 2019 #103

I hope for the best for your friends and family there. Its awful how Maduro is killing the country. oldsoftie Mar 2019 #141

The Chavistas are every bit as delusional... Adrahil Mar 2019 #114

I don't understand them ripcord Mar 2019 #120

But look up thread at the few apologists who go to ANY LENGTH to defend him. Sad, but predictable. oldsoftie Mar 2019 #138

To them, its about the Revolution. GatoGordo Mar 2019 #146

Your 'arguement' ronnie624 Mar 2019 #151

Maybe you ought to sit in on a neighborhood communal council meeting and listen to them? GatoGordo Mar 2019 #154

Both Trump and Maduro can be bad guys. Adrahil Mar 2019 #159

I guess it is easy to turn away food when it isn't Maduro' s fat ass starving ripcord Mar 2019 #162