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Judi Lynn

(160,524 posts)
65. Maybe they can get some relief when their next payday from N.E.D. arrives for them.)
Tue Mar 12, 2019, 02:14 AM
Mar 2019

Here's something I just saw after I started to respond to your post, from the Washington Post:

The U.S. has quietly supported the Venezuelan opposition for years

By Timothy M. Gill
February 19
While Venezuela’s political crisis has sunk below most Americans’ news horizons, the Trump administration has taken several unprecedented steps during the past few weeks.

First, the administration indicated it would support a military overthrow of the socialist government headed by President Nicolás Maduro. Second, the administration, alongside two dozen other countries, recognized opposition leader Juan Guaidó as the legitimate, interim president of Venezuela.

However unprecedented these two actions may be, the United States and Venezuela have had an acrimonious relationship for the past 20 years — in part because the United States has long supported the Venezuelan political opposition. Here’s how this past month’s actions grow from the approaches of the past four presidential administrations.

1. The United States has long been strategizing with opposition political parties
Shortly after Hugo Chávez’s initial election in 1998, the U.S.-funded National Endowment for Democracy (NED) took the lead in training and guiding political parties on how they might best compete against him. One of the NED’s sub-agencies, the International Republican Institute (IRI), led these efforts.

The IRI sponsored such Republican politicians as Darryl Howard, the executive director of the Oregon Republican Party, and Mike Collins, the former Republican Party press secretary, to travel to Venezuela and meet individually with Venezuelan party leaders from the opposition, offering guidance on how they might electorally defeat Chávez. IRI members also ran political workshops for party members on issues such as constructing political platforms and reaching out to youth. One IRI contractor who helped facilitate some of these workshops bluntly described their objective to me: to help the opposition “get [their] s— together so they could defeat Chávez.” In 2006, the IRI brought five technical specialists to assist the campaign of Manuel Rosales, the opposition’s presidential candidate, to monitor elections on the day of the event.

U.S. diplomats, including several ambassadors, also told me how they advised the opposition. One ambassador revealed she “met with the opposition — I can’t tell you how many times. I told them they need to come up with a plan and needed to unite. There were 50 opposition parties registered!” In doing so, she urged the opposition not to splinter its vote and hand Chávez an easy victory.

More:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2019/02/19/the-u-s-has-covertly-supposed-the-venezuelan-opposition-for-years/

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01 March 2014, 1:00am
Does It Matter That the Venezuelan Opposition Is Funded by the US?
Opposition parties in Venezuela have been propped up by millions in US aid.

In the summer of 2007, the vehemently pro–Hugo Chávez journalist and lawyer Eva Golinger got on Venezuelan state TV and, with the help of a flow chart hand-drawn on flimsy poster board, called out several fellow journalists who had allegedly accepted US funding to help bring down the country's famously left-wing, anti-American president.

“These journalists are destabalising agents,” Golinger said, and explained that that they had participated in programs paid for by the US that were designed to promote a pro-American agenda, the goal of which was to create anti-socialist sentiment in Venezuela.

The accusation didn't cause the kind of uproar Golinger was hoping for. The journalists were briefly investigated by a government committee, but that prompted an immediate public outcry – in fact, many Chavistas rejected such McCarthy-like tactics, claiming they made them look bad.

The incident did cause the US Embassy in Caracas some concern, however. In a cable released by Wikileaks titled “IV Participants and USAID Partners Outed, Again” that describes Golinger's TV appearance and the aftermath, an embassy official wrote that people were becoming wary of getting involved with any enterprise funded by the US. “It is particularly hard to persuade Chávez supporters to participate in a program they perceived as potentially career-ending,” the official wrote. In other words, though Golinger embarrassed herself with her shit-stirring, the US was really trying to bring down Chávez by funneling money to his opponents.

Since then, the US has continued its longstanding practice of funding programs that it often claims are aimed at promoting fair elections and human rights, but also strengthen Venezuelan opposition groups – and this money may be influencing the ongoing protests that have helped put the country in a political crisis.

More:
https://www.vice.com/en_uk/article/av44kg/does-the-uss-funding-of-the-venezuelan-opposition-matter

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Buying Venezuela’s Press With U.S. Tax Dollars
The U.S. State Department is secretly funneling millions of dollars to Latin American journalists. Newly released documents show that between 2007 and 2009, the State Department channeled at least $4 million to journalists in Bolivia, Nicaragua, and Venezuela through the Washington-based Pan American Development Foundation (PADF). Thus far, only documents pertaining to Venezuela have been released. They reveal that the PADF, collaborating with Venezuelan NGOs associated with the country’s political opposition, has been supplied with at least $700,000 to give out journalism grants and sponsor journalism education programs. In funding the Venezuelan news media, the United States is funding one of the opposition’s most powerful weapons against President Hugo Chávez.

July 15, 2010

Jeremy Bigwood

https://nacla.org/news/buying-venezuela%E2%80%99s-press-us-tax-dollars

ETC., ETC., ETC., ETC., ETC. . . . .

Yeah, especially when the US funds that downward slide Farmer-Rick Mar 2019 #1
They didnt have a chance in hell when they stole private property & stopped paying bills. oldsoftie Mar 2019 #2
That would be the company line, yes quakerboy Mar 2019 #3
No one will do business with you when you refuse to pay your bills. oldsoftie Mar 2019 #11
There is no comparison with the two economies hack89 Mar 2019 #12
You mistake me quakerboy Mar 2019 #58
Saudi Arabia is a well run country hack89 Mar 2019 #71
Yes, that would be the company line. Thanks for the recitation. quakerboy Mar 2019 #148
It is actually the truth hack89 Mar 2019 #153
There is no comparing Venezuela and Saudi GatoGordo Mar 2019 #158
The company line? GatoGordo Mar 2019 #15
I am certain many palms are greased quakerboy Mar 2019 #59
They probably could have gotten away with stealing private citizens property. Calista241 Mar 2019 #4
Yeah, because companies christx30 Mar 2019 #57
Hopefully Maduro allows a peaceful protest ripcord Mar 2019 #5
The "opposition" is never peaceful. n/t ronnie624 Mar 2019 #6
They launched violent protests they call "guarimbas" as soon as Chavez was elected. Judi Lynn Mar 2019 #7
+1 ronnie624 Mar 2019 #8
Maybe they can get some relief when their next payday from N.E.D. arrives for them.) Judi Lynn Mar 2019 #65
Thanks. ronnie624 Mar 2019 #67
Slingshots against automatic weapons. Go see who is in the morgues in VZ oldsoftie Mar 2019 #10
damn slingshots GatoGordo Mar 2019 #16
That's not staged at all. ronnie624 Mar 2019 #20
if you say so GatoGordo Mar 2019 #22
I went to the site where that photo was published, "El Diestro," a fascist rag in Spain. Judi Lynn Mar 2019 #63
What a 'shock' to see such propaganda posted here. ronnie624 Mar 2019 #64
So odd! It's almost like the "Onion" until you realize that's their idea of reading material! Judi Lynn Mar 2019 #66
Ugh. Nasty. Ghost Dog Mar 2019 #68
The worshipers of the fascist, dirty mass-murdering, torture-loving Franco's legacy. Judi Lynn Mar 2019 #69
Same picture found in the PanAm Post. And various blogs. GatoGordo Mar 2019 #147
It's definitely comical. The one in charge has no sense of subtlety, for sure. Judi Lynn Mar 2019 #123
Notice all of the 'communist' icons, lol? n/t ronnie624 Mar 2019 #125
Hilarious! Someone wants you to see they are the "enemy." n/t Judi Lynn Mar 2019 #127
SURE! All of these pictures (as Max Blumenthal has "proven" ) are all CIA staged events GatoGordo Mar 2019 #149
if I sign up can I get a grenade launcher PupCamo Mar 2019 #48
All you have to do is move to Venezuela GatoGordo Mar 2019 #50
do I get my choice of color PupCamo Mar 2019 #54
It is a "revolution" of the well off. irresistable Mar 2019 #27
They haven't had control since 1976. It's written into their (serial) Constitutions GatoGordo Mar 2019 #28
You are leaving out the part of the history in the 90's where Exxon was once again involved. irresistable Mar 2019 #29
Lots of companies involved in past. Only a few now. GatoGordo Mar 2019 #32
The clue that we are not being told the real truth is that Trump wants to overthrow the regime. irresistable Mar 2019 #33
About 85% of Venezuela wants to be out from under the boot-heel of Chavismo GatoGordo Mar 2019 #35
Halliburton is evil JonLP24 Mar 2019 #70
Their oil is also high sulfur and very viscous. Turbineguy Mar 2019 #31
Most of it, yes! GatoGordo Mar 2019 #34
And that's where the XL pipeline comes into play Miguel M Mar 2019 #52
The Keystone has ZERO to do with Venezuela and any "oil grab" there GatoGordo Mar 2019 #53
The rabid whites want their control back, too. n/t Judi Lynn Mar 2019 #124
Racist much? oldsoftie Mar 2019 #135
You are confused. The ones who are racist are the ones who have controlled the country Judi Lynn Mar 2019 #139
ALL of the country is suffering, except those bribed by Maduro. ALL races. 20 years of BS oldsoftie Mar 2019 #142
Many of us are totally familiar with propaganda. It's been so overused even stupid people see it. Judi Lynn Mar 2019 #143
Maduro needs all the useful idiots the world can spare GatoGordo Mar 2019 #145
Total Socialism always fails. Always. the people always suffer in the end. Always. Have fun. oldsoftie Mar 2019 #156
Maduro has murder squads roaming the country. The opposition doesnt. oldsoftie Mar 2019 #9
No he doesn't. That's complete poppycock. ronnie624 Mar 2019 #13
Yes, he does. Here's several articles about Maduros murderers. You should read more. oldsoftie Mar 2019 #14
Very little information there. ronnie624 Mar 2019 #18
"CIA propaganda". HAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHA. What a joke. oldsoftie Mar 2019 #41
I guess you forgot about when Dems and Repugs voted to invade Iraq because ... Miguel M Mar 2019 #94
Iraq was invaded because Dick Cheney is evil. Comparing VZ & Iraq is ridiculous. oldsoftie Mar 2019 #107
Was comparing the decision and weak rationale for them. Miguel M Mar 2019 #110
Make up whatever silly terms you want, name some FREE countries that support keeping Maduro? oldsoftie Mar 2019 #112
it's MSM so it doesn't count PupCamo Mar 2019 #49
And how hard right and corrupt the replacement will be. quakerboy Mar 2019 #60
Whoever takes over when Maduro is gone wont be as bad as him. oldsoftie Mar 2019 #82
Thats not usually how it works quakerboy Mar 2019 #150
The death squads are there. Plenty of evidence to show it. oldsoftie Mar 2019 #155
ronnie, have you been to Venezuela? GatoGordo Mar 2019 #17
That's not a logical arguement. n/t ronnie624 Mar 2019 #19
If you say so GatoGordo Mar 2019 #21
Logically then ronnie624 Mar 2019 #23
Is that your best syllogistic reasoning? GatoGordo Mar 2019 #24
Why the Washington Post 's New Ties to the CIA Are So Ominous ronnie624 Mar 2019 #25
None so blind as those who will not see nt COLGATE4 Mar 2019 #26
I'm sorry you have to go thru this EVERY time. EVERY time. Its amazing. oldsoftie Mar 2019 #42
Don't worry about me GatoGordo Mar 2019 #51
Keep peddling that tea! juxtaposed Mar 2019 #81
Maduro needs to get off his high horse Turbineguy Mar 2019 #30
Meh. He doesn't see a problem. GatoGordo Mar 2019 #36
I think that modern life is not conducive to revolution. Turbineguy Mar 2019 #39
I'm sorry, but who is this tool, and why should Americans care? Oneironaut Mar 2019 #37
"nobody cares what's going on in Venezuela"? GatoGordo Mar 2019 #40
"Who is this TOOL"??? He's the LEGITIMATE President of VZ, according to their constitution. oldsoftie Mar 2019 #43
Specifically, which articles of the Venezuelan constitution ronnie624 Mar 2019 #55
Here: EX500rider Mar 2019 #56
Im very curious as to their thread of reasoning quakerboy Mar 2019 #61
Here: EX500rider Mar 2019 #87
Interesting reading. Especially if you follow the rabbit hole quakerboy Mar 2019 #152
Article 233 ronnie624 Mar 2019 #62
Did you READ Article 350 that YOU quoted??? Maduro violates that clause DAILY. oldsoftie Mar 2019 #72
It's not our call. ronnie624 Mar 2019 #73
No, most, almost all, do NOT want MADURO as president. Show a legit poll showing otherwise. oldsoftie Mar 2019 #75
His base is 30% of the population; the largest by far. ronnie624 Mar 2019 #95
"economic warfare by the US" EX500rider Mar 2019 #96
No currency or oil market manipulation; no sanctions? ronnie624 Mar 2019 #99
Up until last month US sanctions only targeted a few govt officials for human rights violations. EX500rider Mar 2019 #104
You seem pretty keen on currency and oil market manipulations in Venezuela GatoGordo Mar 2019 #105
Foreign 'Visible Hand' of Market Exposed, Barred in Venezuela ronnie624 Mar 2019 #106
Telesur? Hahaha.. EX500rider Mar 2019 #117
Trump's base is 30%. We laugh at that. And Maduro's approval rating is BELOW 20%. try again. oldsoftie Mar 2019 #109
Not to mention if Trump declared the House of Rep null and void and made up his own one.. EX500rider Mar 2019 #88
Thank you. oldsoftie Mar 2019 #108
The Democratic Party is going to need to eventually solidLxxi Mar 2019 #38
"Elected twice"? The last election was a real one? Ha. oldsoftie Mar 2019 #44
"Maduro has been elected twice, he is not the dictator he has been accused of being" EX500rider Mar 2019 #45
What people don't/won't realize is that both Leopoldo Lopez and Henrique Capriles are leftists GatoGordo Mar 2019 #47
Everything you've posted is pro-Western propaganda from solidLxxi Mar 2019 #76
Sure, comrade. Ignore the FACTS posted by others about that "fair & square" election. oldsoftie Mar 2019 #78
Do you personally agree with the hostile solidLxxi Mar 2019 #85
THERE IS NO DEMOCRACY IN VENEZUELA. Its a dictatorship. Where ya been, comrade? oldsoftie Mar 2019 #111
When people vote on who their leaders solidLxxi Mar 2019 #172
Horseshit. Maduro jailed his true opponents & only let people as bad as him run. Just like Putin. oldsoftie Mar 2019 #173
The only people who were jailed were those solidLxxi Mar 2019 #176
Horseshit #2. Maduro also used "Fatherland" cards to vote. Sound familiar comrade? oldsoftie Mar 2019 #184
Post removed Post removed Mar 2019 #185
" by the many who've benefited from Chavista policies over the years" EX500rider Mar 2019 #86
No, the people who have continued to vote Maduro and solidLxxi Mar 2019 #164
No one who is up on the matter thinks Maduro had majority support in the last election. EX500rider Mar 2019 #167
Their "popular leaders" have been involved in solidLxxi Mar 2019 #171
"because Venezuela's elections have been deemed free and fair by all observers" EX500rider Mar 2019 #175
The only "popular" leader you could be referring to solidLxxi Mar 2019 #178
"was trained in the US" translated as went to school in the US. EX500rider Mar 2019 #180
"pro-Western propaganda" You mean like Human Rights Watch? Amnesty Int? ReportersW/oBorders? EX500rider Mar 2019 #91
I notice the Maduro fans avoid this post like the plague.. EX500rider Mar 2019 #161
Yes, Human Rights Watch and Amnesty International solidLxxi Mar 2019 #163
Gotta ya, the only sources you can trust are Venz mouthpieces and Marxists blogs apparently..lol EX500rider Mar 2019 #166
Maduro Won ONE election, and that came on the back of Chavez' cult of personality GatoGordo Mar 2019 #46
The economic slowdown was more about the steep solidLxxi Mar 2019 #74
Their economy was going downhill with $90-100 oil. And Maduro blocked real opponents from the race. oldsoftie Mar 2019 #77
Did the price of oil ruin Venezuela's food production also? EX500rider Mar 2019 #90
The opposition boycotted last year's elections because they knew they couldn't win them, period. GatoGordo Mar 2019 #97
If Maduro was as hated as you claim, solidLxxi Mar 2019 #165
Yes they all love it there, that's why 10% of the country has fled... EX500rider Mar 2019 #168
Maduro's government hasn't been solidLxxi Mar 2019 #170
"The right-wing still runs their media" Said no one ever... EX500rider Mar 2019 #174
Who authored this Wikipedia page solidLxxi Mar 2019 #177
It has something your posts do not, footnotes to the original information. nt EX500rider Mar 2019 #179
Study: Wikipedia as accurate as Britannica EX500rider Mar 2019 #181
Britannica? More like BritannCIA Sapient Donkey Mar 2019 #182
The neat thing about wikipedia is there is some transparency in how content is worked out Sapient Donkey Mar 2019 #183
Rightwing talking points, day after day for years now. juxtaposed Mar 2019 #79
How's that possible when they're not in control of anything? Enlighten us, pleaase! oldsoftie Mar 2019 #80
So which of these are the fault of the RW expats? : EX500rider Mar 2019 #92
Message auto-removed Name removed Mar 2019 #83
This message was self-deleted by its author Huffleprecious Mar 2019 #84
I believe you meant to say he is elected President of the National Assembly of Venezuela? nt EX500rider Mar 2019 #169
Maduro is a piece of shit who ate empanada on live TV while his people starved ansible Mar 2019 #89
We had some big some big Mugabe fans here in the past, even a N Korea defender. EX500rider Mar 2019 #93
Reiterating US atrocities, including the forgotten slaughter of millions of Koreans ronnie624 Mar 2019 #100
Speak for youself...which I assume you are....nt EX500rider Mar 2019 #102
"slaughter of millions of Koreans"? Um, yeah, the North Koreans are the ones still killing oldsoftie Mar 2019 #113
Lol. n/t ronnie624 Mar 2019 #115
Exactly. Just as i figured. oldsoftie Mar 2019 #116
Curtis LeMay: ronnie624 Mar 2019 #119
None of which happens if the communists didnt invade the South. North got what they asked for. oldsoftie Mar 2019 #122
FOX 'news' version of 'history', if I ever heard it, lol. n/t ronnie624 Mar 2019 #126
Amazing! I did wonder if those in West Berlin knew the commies took Berlin. Judi Lynn Mar 2019 #128
The Russians took ALL of Berlin to end the war. There was no "West Berlin" yet. Jeeze. oldsoftie Mar 2019 #132
Facts are facts, you dont have to like them. Luckily, only a few here cant see the forest... oldsoftie Mar 2019 #134
N Korea started the war and then got their butts kicked by UN forces. nt EX500rider Mar 2019 #118
There was no 'North' Korea until the US divided the country. n/t ronnie624 Mar 2019 #121
You mean the Allied forces after WWII. EX500rider Mar 2019 #129
The US was THE world power following WWII. You're informed enough to know this. ronnie624 Mar 2019 #130
The USSR would beg to differ. nt EX500rider Mar 2019 #131
They might, but they would be wrong. ronnie624 Mar 2019 #133
The US didn't call any shots for Stalin. The Cold War was already in progress. nt EX500rider Mar 2019 #136
You're struggling. That doesn't even make sense. ronnie624 Mar 2019 #137
lol, yes the military that beat the Germans on the Eastern front was no threat? EX500rider Mar 2019 #140
Correct. n/t ronnie624 Mar 2019 #144
Ignorance is the single greatest tool of oppression. oldsoftie Mar 2019 #157
lol, so wrong. EX500rider Mar 2019 #160
It gets even better. GatoGordo Mar 2019 #98
So, Guaido called for massive demonstrations yesterday, Tuesday at 15:00, Ghost Dog Mar 2019 #101
Its only a matter of time before Guaido "throws himself out of a 10th floor window" of SEBIN HQ GatoGordo Mar 2019 #103
I hope for the best for your friends and family there. Its awful how Maduro is killing the country. oldsoftie Mar 2019 #141
The Chavistas are every bit as delusional... Adrahil Mar 2019 #114
I don't understand them ripcord Mar 2019 #120
But look up thread at the few apologists who go to ANY LENGTH to defend him. Sad, but predictable. oldsoftie Mar 2019 #138
To them, its about the Revolution. GatoGordo Mar 2019 #146
Your 'arguement' ronnie624 Mar 2019 #151
Maybe you ought to sit in on a neighborhood communal council meeting and listen to them? GatoGordo Mar 2019 #154
Both Trump and Maduro can be bad guys. Adrahil Mar 2019 #159
I guess it is easy to turn away food when it isn't Maduro' s fat ass starving ripcord Mar 2019 #162
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