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S_B_Jackson

(906 posts)
121. In voluntarily joining the US Military,
Tue Sep 11, 2012, 12:55 AM
Sep 2012

Maj. Hassan freely chose to limit some of his freedoms and to be governed according the the US Constitution and the Uniform Code of Military Justice.

After he gets out of the military, he can let that beard sport as wild as he wants until then, he may not.

On Edit: US Army regs with regards to permissible haircuts and facial hair.
http://www.apd.army.mil/pdffiles/r670_1.pdf see page 27

(2) Male haircuts will conform to the following standards.
(a) The hair on top of the head must be neatly groomed. The length and bulk of the hair may not be excessive or
present a ragged, unkempt, or extreme appearance. The hair must present a tapered appearance. A tapered appearance
is one where the outline of the soldier’s hair conforms to the shape of the head, curving inward to the natural
termination point at the base of the neck. When the hair is combed, it will not fall over the ears or eyebrows, or touch
the collar, except for the closely cut hair at the back of the neck. The block-cut fullness in the back is permitted to a
moderate degree, as long as the tapered look is maintained. In all cases, the bulk or length of hair may not interfere
with the normal wear of headgear (see para 1–8a(1)(a), above) or protective masks or equipment. Males are not
authorized to wear braids, cornrows, or dreadlocks (unkempt, twisted, matted, individual parts of hair) while in uniform
or in civilian clothes on duty. Hair that is clipped closely or shaved to the scalp is authorized.

(b) Males will keep sideburns neatly trimmed. Sideburns may not be flared; the base of the sideburn will be a cleanshaven,
horizontal line. Sideburns will not extend below the lowest part of the exterior ear opening.

(c) Males will keep their face clean-shaven when in uniform or in civilian clothes on duty. Mustaches are permitted;
if worn, males will keep mustaches neatly trimmed, tapered, and tidy. Mustaches will not present a chopped off or
bushy appearance, and no portion of the mustache will cover the upper lip line or extend sideways beyond a vertical
line drawn upward from the corners of the mouth (see figure 1–1). Handlebar mustaches, goatees, and beards are not
authorized. If appropriate medical authority prescribes beard growth, the length required for medical treatment must be
specified. For example, “The length of the beard will not exceed 1?4 inch” (see TB MED 287). Soldiers will keep the
growth trimmed to the level specified by appropriate medical authority, but they are not authorized to shape the growth
into goatees, or “Fu Manchu” or handlebar mustaches.

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Good for the judge. MADem Sep 2012 #1
Why? 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2012 #2
Why? cstanleytech Sep 2012 #3
It won't ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2012 #8
Between his trial and his execution, he'll have plenty of time to re-grow the beard slackmaster Sep 2012 #12
Or ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2012 #18
If that happens he'll still be able to re-grow the beard slackmaster Sep 2012 #22
The law is the law, and military courts forbid beards. alp227 Sep 2012 #13
So military law ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2012 #19
All rights are subject to regulation through due process of law slackmaster Sep 2012 #27
That doesn't cut Constitutional muster ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2012 #36
That all sounds great in theory, but in reality all rights are subject to restriction slackmaster Sep 2012 #39
No disrespect intended; but ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2012 #51
Defending one's rights against infringement takes more resources than most can muster slackmaster Sep 2012 #104
It's actually not, enlisted service members VOLUNTARILY GIVE UP SOME RIGHTS, whether YOU LaydeeBug Sep 2012 #119
Military also allows some Special Forces types to grow beards Hugabear Sep 2012 #82
What Special Forces Op is this dude participating in? nt msanthrope Sep 2012 #89
First, strict scutiny analysis doesn't apply to the UCMJ. Read Parker v. Levy and Quarles. msanthrope Sep 2012 #88
I accept most of what you have written ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2012 #102
Your reason number three strikes me as the important one jberryhill Sep 2012 #108
Easy - because exceptions are discretionary, not mandatory jberryhill Sep 2012 #107
Actually, yeah 4th law of robotics Sep 2012 #46
"Laughingly" ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2012 #52
But they do get to restrict your right to free expression 4th law of robotics Sep 2012 #90
If you are a member of the military... awoke_in_2003 Sep 2012 #49
No ... it doesn't. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2012 #76
Yes, it does... awoke_in_2003 Sep 2012 #83
Yes, it does. pasto76 Sep 2012 #74
No, it doesn't ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2012 #79
Actually, the UCMJ Old Troop Sep 2012 #114
In voluntarily joining the US Military, S_B_Jackson Sep 2012 #121
Except he didnt ask for a waiver when he signed up and instead agreed to abide by the military rules cstanleytech Sep 2012 #50
Americans ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2012 #53
Then try looking at it as a contract. When he signed up he agreed with the contract cstanleytech Sep 2012 #65
Okay ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2012 #67
You do in the military obamanut2012 Sep 2012 #95
If I sign a contract with you.... jberryhill Sep 2012 #109
because uniform regulations make no allowances for religion. gejohnston Sep 2012 #86
Sikhs can now get advance permission to join and wear their turban obamanut2012 Sep 2012 #96
good news to know gejohnston Sep 2012 #111
If he were really serious about practicing his religion, he wouldn't have shot 42 people Freddie Stubbs Sep 2012 #100
He voluntarily joined the Army and abided by regulations jberryhill Sep 2012 #106
He is still in the military. It's a military court. Bernardo de La Paz Sep 2012 #4
So violating ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2012 #9
Discharge him, when he's suspected in a mass murder? He's gotta go thru trial! alp227 Sep 2012 #15
Discharge ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2012 #20
But Hasan still has to abide by military court requirements, alp227 Sep 2012 #32
Not under the U.S. Constitution. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2012 #37
US constitution does not govern miltary trials. try and wrap your head around that. pasto76 Sep 2012 #75
I beg to differ ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2012 #80
You need to talk to a JAG, because you are mistaken obamanut2012 Sep 2012 #97
He'll be discharged after his conviction and before his execution slackmaster Sep 2012 #33
Discharge from the military would mean no trial. Angleae Sep 2012 #87
Since logic. Has to be tried before can be found guilty of a crime worthy of punishment & discharge. Bernardo de La Paz Sep 2012 #30
Not true ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2012 #38
He is still military and subject to its rules and regulations. His protestations of faith are a sham Bernardo de La Paz Sep 2012 #40
A sham???? 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2012 #54
A sham. He shaved before he went psycho. He can shave now without religious exemption. nt. Bernardo de La Paz Sep 2012 #56
Okay ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2012 #58
The military is all about the exercise of authority. Duh. Bernardo de La Paz Sep 2012 #63
Exercise of authority? ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2012 #66
Exercise of authority (military discipline) is how it protects and defends. Now just let it rest. Bernardo de La Paz Sep 2012 #68
You mean Missycim Sep 2012 #85
It is true. He has to be tried, whether in absentia or not. Bernardo de La Paz Sep 2012 #41
Absentia obamanut2012 Sep 2012 #98
He is breaking regs -- why should he get a pass? obamanut2012 Sep 2012 #6
See Response #9 n/t 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2012 #10
He is a service member in a military prison obamanut2012 Sep 2012 #94
He is still in the army nadinbrzezinski Sep 2012 #7
See Response #10, Reference Response #9 n/t 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2012 #11
Endless repitition does not make your point clearer or stronger. It makes it less convincing. Bernardo de La Paz Sep 2012 #31
good -- about time obamanut2012 Sep 2012 #5
And if.....? Red Mountain Sep 2012 #14
Thank You ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2012 #23
Sikhs ask for prior approval before formal enlistment obamanut2012 Sep 2012 #99
Don't get me wrong ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2012 #16
Could it be argued his "conscience" led to him shooting and killing?(n/m) ProudToBeBlueInRhody Sep 2012 #17
And other than ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2012 #25
It's all manipulation. ProudToBeBlueInRhody Sep 2012 #34
If people were tried only based on what they did and not what they thought, the term "hate crime"... slackmaster Sep 2012 #35
Bingo! ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2012 #55
I'd like to see him shaved and have his hands removed. spayneuter Sep 2012 #44
Because ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2012 #57
To be fair glacierbay Sep 2012 #73
tHANK YOU. emilyg Sep 2012 #84
His defense lawyer gets paid, but otherwise, Quantess Sep 2012 #112
What conscience? MicaelS Sep 2012 #21
Conscience being another ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2012 #26
WADR to his choice of religion, he's using the beard issue to delay the administration of justice slackmaster Sep 2012 #29
Maybe ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2012 #59
I don't care much about what happens to Hassan as long as he's kept out of circulation slackmaster Sep 2012 #69
Wow ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2012 #71
Why not?...it's in their Holey Book. spayneuter Sep 2012 #43
Nothing in Islam says he has to have a beard obamanut2012 Sep 2012 #105
Not that it matters to me, but the Xian bible has prohibitions against shaving...one spayneuter Sep 2012 #115
If only his conscience were as staunchly against murdering innocents in cold blood 4th law of robotics Sep 2012 #47
This argument ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2012 #61
Yes and it says that to US it doesn't matter what sky fairies you worship 4th law of robotics Sep 2012 #93
People need to chill the fuck out Fearless Sep 2012 #24
Again ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2012 #28
If this is part of the military code he agreed to 4th law of robotics Sep 2012 #48
Research the term "accommodations" ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2012 #60
laughing here. "Accomodations" in the Army. As only the uninitiated can say... pasto76 Sep 2012 #77
I have no doubt ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2012 #81
One fuckup doesn't justify all the others. spayneuter Sep 2012 #120
People who are not legal experts and have no knowledge of the military say one thing 4th law of robotics Sep 2012 #91
This RobinA Sep 2012 #110
I wonder why he didn't use the defense that his "religion" requires him to kill infidels? spayneuter Sep 2012 #42
Having the beard will prejudice his trial. The military is going to be scrupulous in this case riderinthestorm Sep 2012 #45
I would probably agree ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2012 #62
"I would probably agree" I doubt that. cstanleytech Sep 2012 #70
Why is it so difficult ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2012 #72
Why? Because you have used pretty much the same argument with everyone in this thread who cstanleytech Sep 2012 #92
"My religion requires me to wear a beard." Pterodactyl Sep 2012 #64
Right. PLenty of regular church goers were denied access to religious services during our deployment pasto76 Sep 2012 #78
This creep gunned down 13 people and he is whining about his beard? Quantess Sep 2012 #101
Let's just refer to him as a "barbarian" slackmaster Sep 2012 #103
there is a good reason for making him shave the beard.. Green_Lantern Sep 2012 #113
why is the judge making a big deal aboit it? does it really matter? neovente Sep 2012 #116
Military law makes it a big deal. alp227 Sep 2012 #117
Hopefully they use a rusty spoon... PavePusher Sep 2012 #118
This POS is still in the military indypaul Sep 2012 #122
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