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In reply to the discussion: Judge orders accused Fort Hood shooter to have his beard shaved [View all]S_B_Jackson
(906 posts)121. In voluntarily joining the US Military,
Maj. Hassan freely chose to limit some of his freedoms and to be governed according the the US Constitution and the Uniform Code of Military Justice.
After he gets out of the military, he can let that beard sport as wild as he wants until then, he may not.
On Edit: US Army regs with regards to permissible haircuts and facial hair.
http://www.apd.army.mil/pdffiles/r670_1.pdf see page 27
(2) Male haircuts will conform to the following standards.
(a) The hair on top of the head must be neatly groomed. The length and bulk of the hair may not be excessive or
present a ragged, unkempt, or extreme appearance. The hair must present a tapered appearance. A tapered appearance
is one where the outline of the soldiers hair conforms to the shape of the head, curving inward to the natural
termination point at the base of the neck. When the hair is combed, it will not fall over the ears or eyebrows, or touch
the collar, except for the closely cut hair at the back of the neck. The block-cut fullness in the back is permitted to a
moderate degree, as long as the tapered look is maintained. In all cases, the bulk or length of hair may not interfere
with the normal wear of headgear (see para 18a(1)(a), above) or protective masks or equipment. Males are not
authorized to wear braids, cornrows, or dreadlocks (unkempt, twisted, matted, individual parts of hair) while in uniform
or in civilian clothes on duty. Hair that is clipped closely or shaved to the scalp is authorized.
(b) Males will keep sideburns neatly trimmed. Sideburns may not be flared; the base of the sideburn will be a cleanshaven,
horizontal line. Sideburns will not extend below the lowest part of the exterior ear opening.
(c) Males will keep their face clean-shaven when in uniform or in civilian clothes on duty. Mustaches are permitted;
if worn, males will keep mustaches neatly trimmed, tapered, and tidy. Mustaches will not present a chopped off or
bushy appearance, and no portion of the mustache will cover the upper lip line or extend sideways beyond a vertical
line drawn upward from the corners of the mouth (see figure 11). Handlebar mustaches, goatees, and beards are not
authorized. If appropriate medical authority prescribes beard growth, the length required for medical treatment must be
specified. For example, The length of the beard will not exceed 1?4 inch (see TB MED 287). Soldiers will keep the
growth trimmed to the level specified by appropriate medical authority, but they are not authorized to shape the growth
into goatees, or Fu Manchu or handlebar mustaches.
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Between his trial and his execution, he'll have plenty of time to re-grow the beard
slackmaster
Sep 2012
#12
That all sounds great in theory, but in reality all rights are subject to restriction
slackmaster
Sep 2012
#39
Defending one's rights against infringement takes more resources than most can muster
slackmaster
Sep 2012
#104
It's actually not, enlisted service members VOLUNTARILY GIVE UP SOME RIGHTS, whether YOU
LaydeeBug
Sep 2012
#119
First, strict scutiny analysis doesn't apply to the UCMJ. Read Parker v. Levy and Quarles.
msanthrope
Sep 2012
#88
Except he didnt ask for a waiver when he signed up and instead agreed to abide by the military rules
cstanleytech
Sep 2012
#50
Then try looking at it as a contract. When he signed up he agreed with the contract
cstanleytech
Sep 2012
#65
If he were really serious about practicing his religion, he wouldn't have shot 42 people
Freddie Stubbs
Sep 2012
#100
US constitution does not govern miltary trials. try and wrap your head around that.
pasto76
Sep 2012
#75
Since logic. Has to be tried before can be found guilty of a crime worthy of punishment & discharge.
Bernardo de La Paz
Sep 2012
#30
He is still military and subject to its rules and regulations. His protestations of faith are a sham
Bernardo de La Paz
Sep 2012
#40
A sham. He shaved before he went psycho. He can shave now without religious exemption. nt.
Bernardo de La Paz
Sep 2012
#56
Exercise of authority (military discipline) is how it protects and defends. Now just let it rest.
Bernardo de La Paz
Sep 2012
#68
Endless repitition does not make your point clearer or stronger. It makes it less convincing.
Bernardo de La Paz
Sep 2012
#31
Could it be argued his "conscience" led to him shooting and killing?(n/m)
ProudToBeBlueInRhody
Sep 2012
#17
If people were tried only based on what they did and not what they thought, the term "hate crime"...
slackmaster
Sep 2012
#35
WADR to his choice of religion, he's using the beard issue to delay the administration of justice
slackmaster
Sep 2012
#29
I don't care much about what happens to Hassan as long as he's kept out of circulation
slackmaster
Sep 2012
#69
Not that it matters to me, but the Xian bible has prohibitions against shaving...one
spayneuter
Sep 2012
#115
If only his conscience were as staunchly against murdering innocents in cold blood
4th law of robotics
Sep 2012
#47
Yes and it says that to US it doesn't matter what sky fairies you worship
4th law of robotics
Sep 2012
#93
People who are not legal experts and have no knowledge of the military say one thing
4th law of robotics
Sep 2012
#91
I wonder why he didn't use the defense that his "religion" requires him to kill infidels?
spayneuter
Sep 2012
#42
Having the beard will prejudice his trial. The military is going to be scrupulous in this case
riderinthestorm
Sep 2012
#45
Why? Because you have used pretty much the same argument with everyone in this thread who
cstanleytech
Sep 2012
#92