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LaydeeBug

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119. It's actually not, enlisted service members VOLUNTARILY GIVE UP SOME RIGHTS, whether YOU
Mon Sep 10, 2012, 01:03 AM
Sep 2012

think that's Constitutional or not. They give up their right to Free Speech, and agree their appearance will adhere to military code.

Can an enlisted member sport a brink pink mohawk? It's free expression, right? HOW MANY OF THEM DO YOU SEE? I am an Army brat, and I can tell you right now that you are wrong.

Good for the judge. MADem Sep 2012 #1
Why? 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2012 #2
Why? cstanleytech Sep 2012 #3
It won't ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2012 #8
Between his trial and his execution, he'll have plenty of time to re-grow the beard slackmaster Sep 2012 #12
Or ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2012 #18
If that happens he'll still be able to re-grow the beard slackmaster Sep 2012 #22
The law is the law, and military courts forbid beards. alp227 Sep 2012 #13
So military law ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2012 #19
All rights are subject to regulation through due process of law slackmaster Sep 2012 #27
That doesn't cut Constitutional muster ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2012 #36
That all sounds great in theory, but in reality all rights are subject to restriction slackmaster Sep 2012 #39
No disrespect intended; but ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2012 #51
Defending one's rights against infringement takes more resources than most can muster slackmaster Sep 2012 #104
It's actually not, enlisted service members VOLUNTARILY GIVE UP SOME RIGHTS, whether YOU LaydeeBug Sep 2012 #119
Military also allows some Special Forces types to grow beards Hugabear Sep 2012 #82
What Special Forces Op is this dude participating in? nt msanthrope Sep 2012 #89
First, strict scutiny analysis doesn't apply to the UCMJ. Read Parker v. Levy and Quarles. msanthrope Sep 2012 #88
I accept most of what you have written ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2012 #102
Your reason number three strikes me as the important one jberryhill Sep 2012 #108
Easy - because exceptions are discretionary, not mandatory jberryhill Sep 2012 #107
Actually, yeah 4th law of robotics Sep 2012 #46
"Laughingly" ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2012 #52
But they do get to restrict your right to free expression 4th law of robotics Sep 2012 #90
If you are a member of the military... awoke_in_2003 Sep 2012 #49
No ... it doesn't. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2012 #76
Yes, it does... awoke_in_2003 Sep 2012 #83
Yes, it does. pasto76 Sep 2012 #74
No, it doesn't ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2012 #79
Actually, the UCMJ Old Troop Sep 2012 #114
In voluntarily joining the US Military, S_B_Jackson Sep 2012 #121
Except he didnt ask for a waiver when he signed up and instead agreed to abide by the military rules cstanleytech Sep 2012 #50
Americans ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2012 #53
Then try looking at it as a contract. When he signed up he agreed with the contract cstanleytech Sep 2012 #65
Okay ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2012 #67
You do in the military obamanut2012 Sep 2012 #95
If I sign a contract with you.... jberryhill Sep 2012 #109
because uniform regulations make no allowances for religion. gejohnston Sep 2012 #86
Sikhs can now get advance permission to join and wear their turban obamanut2012 Sep 2012 #96
good news to know gejohnston Sep 2012 #111
If he were really serious about practicing his religion, he wouldn't have shot 42 people Freddie Stubbs Sep 2012 #100
He voluntarily joined the Army and abided by regulations jberryhill Sep 2012 #106
He is still in the military. It's a military court. Bernardo de La Paz Sep 2012 #4
So violating ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2012 #9
Discharge him, when he's suspected in a mass murder? He's gotta go thru trial! alp227 Sep 2012 #15
Discharge ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2012 #20
But Hasan still has to abide by military court requirements, alp227 Sep 2012 #32
Not under the U.S. Constitution. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2012 #37
US constitution does not govern miltary trials. try and wrap your head around that. pasto76 Sep 2012 #75
I beg to differ ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2012 #80
You need to talk to a JAG, because you are mistaken obamanut2012 Sep 2012 #97
He'll be discharged after his conviction and before his execution slackmaster Sep 2012 #33
Discharge from the military would mean no trial. Angleae Sep 2012 #87
Since logic. Has to be tried before can be found guilty of a crime worthy of punishment & discharge. Bernardo de La Paz Sep 2012 #30
Not true ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2012 #38
He is still military and subject to its rules and regulations. His protestations of faith are a sham Bernardo de La Paz Sep 2012 #40
A sham???? 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2012 #54
A sham. He shaved before he went psycho. He can shave now without religious exemption. nt. Bernardo de La Paz Sep 2012 #56
Okay ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2012 #58
The military is all about the exercise of authority. Duh. Bernardo de La Paz Sep 2012 #63
Exercise of authority? ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2012 #66
Exercise of authority (military discipline) is how it protects and defends. Now just let it rest. Bernardo de La Paz Sep 2012 #68
You mean Missycim Sep 2012 #85
It is true. He has to be tried, whether in absentia or not. Bernardo de La Paz Sep 2012 #41
Absentia obamanut2012 Sep 2012 #98
He is breaking regs -- why should he get a pass? obamanut2012 Sep 2012 #6
See Response #9 n/t 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2012 #10
He is a service member in a military prison obamanut2012 Sep 2012 #94
He is still in the army nadinbrzezinski Sep 2012 #7
See Response #10, Reference Response #9 n/t 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2012 #11
Endless repitition does not make your point clearer or stronger. It makes it less convincing. Bernardo de La Paz Sep 2012 #31
good -- about time obamanut2012 Sep 2012 #5
And if.....? Red Mountain Sep 2012 #14
Thank You ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2012 #23
Sikhs ask for prior approval before formal enlistment obamanut2012 Sep 2012 #99
Don't get me wrong ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2012 #16
Could it be argued his "conscience" led to him shooting and killing?(n/m) ProudToBeBlueInRhody Sep 2012 #17
And other than ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2012 #25
It's all manipulation. ProudToBeBlueInRhody Sep 2012 #34
If people were tried only based on what they did and not what they thought, the term "hate crime"... slackmaster Sep 2012 #35
Bingo! ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2012 #55
I'd like to see him shaved and have his hands removed. spayneuter Sep 2012 #44
Because ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2012 #57
To be fair glacierbay Sep 2012 #73
tHANK YOU. emilyg Sep 2012 #84
His defense lawyer gets paid, but otherwise, Quantess Sep 2012 #112
What conscience? MicaelS Sep 2012 #21
Conscience being another ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2012 #26
WADR to his choice of religion, he's using the beard issue to delay the administration of justice slackmaster Sep 2012 #29
Maybe ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2012 #59
I don't care much about what happens to Hassan as long as he's kept out of circulation slackmaster Sep 2012 #69
Wow ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2012 #71
Why not?...it's in their Holey Book. spayneuter Sep 2012 #43
Nothing in Islam says he has to have a beard obamanut2012 Sep 2012 #105
Not that it matters to me, but the Xian bible has prohibitions against shaving...one spayneuter Sep 2012 #115
If only his conscience were as staunchly against murdering innocents in cold blood 4th law of robotics Sep 2012 #47
This argument ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2012 #61
Yes and it says that to US it doesn't matter what sky fairies you worship 4th law of robotics Sep 2012 #93
People need to chill the fuck out Fearless Sep 2012 #24
Again ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2012 #28
If this is part of the military code he agreed to 4th law of robotics Sep 2012 #48
Research the term "accommodations" ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2012 #60
laughing here. "Accomodations" in the Army. As only the uninitiated can say... pasto76 Sep 2012 #77
I have no doubt ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2012 #81
One fuckup doesn't justify all the others. spayneuter Sep 2012 #120
People who are not legal experts and have no knowledge of the military say one thing 4th law of robotics Sep 2012 #91
This RobinA Sep 2012 #110
I wonder why he didn't use the defense that his "religion" requires him to kill infidels? spayneuter Sep 2012 #42
Having the beard will prejudice his trial. The military is going to be scrupulous in this case riderinthestorm Sep 2012 #45
I would probably agree ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2012 #62
"I would probably agree" I doubt that. cstanleytech Sep 2012 #70
Why is it so difficult ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2012 #72
Why? Because you have used pretty much the same argument with everyone in this thread who cstanleytech Sep 2012 #92
"My religion requires me to wear a beard." Pterodactyl Sep 2012 #64
Right. PLenty of regular church goers were denied access to religious services during our deployment pasto76 Sep 2012 #78
This creep gunned down 13 people and he is whining about his beard? Quantess Sep 2012 #101
Let's just refer to him as a "barbarian" slackmaster Sep 2012 #103
there is a good reason for making him shave the beard.. Green_Lantern Sep 2012 #113
why is the judge making a big deal aboit it? does it really matter? neovente Sep 2012 #116
Military law makes it a big deal. alp227 Sep 2012 #117
Hopefully they use a rusty spoon... PavePusher Sep 2012 #118
This POS is still in the military indypaul Sep 2012 #122
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