There was no 'colonization' (Reply #14)

In the discussion thread: Scotland to hold independence poll in 2014 [View all]

Tue Jan 10, 2012, 06:00 PM

14. There was no 'colonization'

The Scottish king succeeded to the English throne in 1603, thus uniting the crowns; in 1707, after a Scottish financial disaster caused by failing to colonise Panama, England suggested united the Parliaments and the countries unite - which, with some bribery of the Scottish politicians, they agreed to. The ethnic difference of Scotland from England is cloudy; the lowlands, where the majority of Scots live, were speaking a branch of English long before any attempt by England to make them part of one country, and before what is now Scotland was unified. Scotland had significant Anglo-Saxon heritage a thousand years ago.

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98 replies	Author	Time	Post
Scotland to hold independence poll in 2014 [View all]	steaa	Jan 2012	OP
Scotland cannot legally hold such a poll of its own volition	dipsydoodle	Jan 2012	#1
Exactly	T_i_B	Jan 2012	#2
Yeah, what a rotten dishonesty. Politicians want to win a referendum	Fool Count	Jan 2012	#22
If the case for Independence is so strong.....	T_i_B	Jan 2012	#42
Act-shmact, the referendum will be held in 2014, because that's what the Scottish	Fool Count	Jan 2012	#70
I wonder how you would like it....	T_i_B	Jan 2012	#93
I wouldn't give a toss. I am Canadian.	Fool Count	Jan 2012	#95
Yes We Can	Charlemagne	Jan 2012	#3
About your sig line	MattBaggins	Jan 2012	#4
Not this American..	whathehell	Jan 2012	#10
they did try	Maine-ah	Jan 2012	#21
Yup, so they're trying again -- Good for them	whathehell	Jan 2012	#41
And the Irish still don't have them kicked ALL the way out! nt	riderinthestorm	Jan 2012	#26
I know, but they appear to be farther along than Scotland.	whathehell	Jan 2012	#35
Wha the hell...	Boudica the Lyoness	Jan 2012	#32
Um, no.	whathehell	Jan 2012	#36
You'd be hard pressed to prove that assertion	zipplewrath	Jan 2012	#47
Not really...The point is, the demographics of California	whathehell	Jan 2012	#49
Spend a week in NYC, Iowa, and LA	zipplewrath	Jan 2012	#50
Please...I've already done that!	whathehell	Jan 2012	#52
For various values of "always"	zipplewrath	Jan 2012	#54
Limitations on "always" are not limited to the United States or anywhere else, as a matter of fact.	whathehell	Jan 2012	#58
I agree	zipplewrath	Jan 2012	#61
........	whathehell	Jan 2012	#72
I said at the outset	zipplewrath	Jan 2012	#77
Whatever, Zip. n/t	whathehell	Jan 2012	#78
do you have a source for the generational progressions of language aquisition?	arely staircase	Jan 2012	#86
Nah	zipplewrath	Jan 2012	#96
Hence the lack of any substantial cultural difference between the Northern states and the Southern s	LanternWaste	Jan 2012	#63
It depends on your view of "substantial"	whathehell	Jan 2012	#74
Note that our former Prime Minister Brown is Scottish	LeftishBrit	Jan 2012	#80
I never said there was some huge "discrimination" being foisted on the Scots.	whathehell	Jan 2012	#83
A better analogy would be Hawai'i	KamaAina	Jan 2012	#67
No; that's a really bad analogy	muriel_volestrangler	Jan 2012	#68
The Scots are the Brits.	harmonicon	Jan 2012	#57
Apparently, they don't agree.	whathehell	Jan 2012	#59
Huh? No, I'm pretty sure all parties involved understand historical fact.	harmonicon	Jan 2012	#60
Perhaps, but they seem to interpret them differently	whathehell	Jan 2012	#73
and whether they will remain so after 2014 is precisely what the referendum will decide	arely staircase	Jan 2012	#87
I wouldn't count on it. n/t	Agent William	Jan 2012	#89
That has nothing to do with what I was posting about.	harmonicon	Jan 2012	#90
Not sure why this is a threat to London	dmallind	Jan 2012	#5
+1	Charlemagne	Jan 2012	#7
You are exactly right about the American south...	Glorfindel	Jan 2012	#9
But I'm not sure "the American South" vs. the American North" is really analagous	whathehell	Jan 2012	#12
There was no 'colonization'	muriel_volestrangler	Jan 2012	#14
Okay, but the bribery of the Scottish politicians	whathehell	Jan 2012	#15
No, not like the plantation of Ulster	muriel_volestrangler	Jan 2012	#20
Okay, great	whathehell	Jan 2012	#34
No problem if they do want independence	muriel_volestrangler	Jan 2012	#45
Well, it's an interesting situation.	whathehell	Jan 2012	#46
The Mel Gibson movie was a highly fictionalized version of an old conflict, not the present.	AnotherMcIntosh	Jan 2012	#30
Really?.....Apparently the Scots related to it...I understand when it premiered	whathehell	Jan 2012	#39
More like "conquest and co-optation", then.	whathehell	Jan 2012	#51
Union came before Plymouth Rock did - and the Scottish king took over England, not vice versa	dmallind	Jan 2012	#18
Absolutely. And the royal lineage after Elizabeth I to the present is from Mary, a Scot.	AnotherMcIntosh	Jan 2012	#29
Yeah, with more than a bit of German in there as well, I understand, but the point is	whathehell	Jan 2012	#37
Well aware of that, but what does "Plymouth Rock" have to do with the UK at this point?	whathehell	Jan 2012	#38
As a NYer I am about at my wits end	MattBaggins	Jan 2012	#24
Yeah online games can be crazy in the differing politics mashed together.	Fokker Trip	Jan 2012	#65
The Scotts may have other considerations beside the net revenue flow,	Fool Count	Jan 2012	#23
Just one thing, in reference	whathehell	Jan 2012	#48
Good. nt	bemildred	Jan 2012	#6
Welcome news	Voltaire	Jan 2012	#8
Precisely WHY do the Scots want Independence?	MicaelS	Jan 2012	#56
It would be interesting to see the results. I love Scotland's history but don't want to see much of	jwirr	Jan 2012	#11
Related Issue: Northern Ireland approaching Catholic majority	JaneQPublic	Jan 2012	#13
They need to give it back. They stole it, and they're being "fucked" out of	MADem	Jan 2012	#17
that's because every sperm is sacred..lol	Boudica the Lyoness	Jan 2012	#33
Agreed. n/t	whathehell	Jan 2012	#43
I disagree with you analysis.	Charlemagne	Jan 2012	#53
You are free to so do. nt	MADem	Jan 2012	#55
....and that would be even more beneficial financially.	dmallind	Jan 2012	#19
This could get interesting! nt	MADem	Jan 2012	#16
Presumably if they say goodbye to the UK	dipsydoodle	Jan 2012	#25
One major question...	T_i_B	Jan 2012	#44
Not just the Euro but the EU too	ikri	Jan 2012	#62
And then there's the nationalised Scottish banks	T_i_B	Jan 2012	#75
England to ask nicely for independence from Scotland	dipsydoodle	Jan 2012	#27
Thanks for the laugh.	AnotherMcIntosh	Jan 2012	#31
If the Scots leave there's never going to be another Labour government.	craigmatic	Jan 2012	#28
The Tories are actually well aware of this...	T_i_B	Jan 2012	#40
FRRREEEEEEEDOOOOM!!!!!! Sorry I had to say it. nt	Guy Whitey Corngood	Jan 2012	#64
You weren't the only one thinking that...	Hugabear	Jan 2012	#66
The irony is that 'Wallace' probably means his family were recent migrants to Scotland	muriel_volestrangler	Jan 2012	#71
a dancing ultra man?	Charlemagne	Jan 2012	#69
As a Scot, (may be the only one here) I feel the need to include my input	MichaelMcGuire	Jan 2012	#76
Thanks for your much needed input, Michael. n/t	whathehell	Jan 2012	#79
Precisely WHY do the Scots want Independence?	MicaelS	Jan 2012	#82
Put simply, because many of them don't like the English	T_i_B	Jan 2012	#91
Assuming this passes and Scotland does become independent	DavidDvorkin	Jan 2012	#81
"A more powerful central government"?	MicaelS	Jan 2012	#84
I'm not saying it's good or bad, only that I think it would be a result	DavidDvorkin	Jan 2012	#85
The EU is dominated by Germany and France	T_i_B	Jan 2012	#92
Indeed, and that's why	DavidDvorkin	Jan 2012	#94
Scotland should have independence.	ozone_man	Jan 2012	#88
Scottish independence: Wales and Northern Ireland make unity plea	muriel_volestrangler	Jan 2012	#97
You shall obey your English masters, knaves!!	tabasco	Jan 2012	#98

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