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59. No it hasn't . My hubs worked in autos for years...and Mexico did not enforce any of

Thu Jan 3, 2019, 10:06 AM

Jan 2019

those sort of rules...they got a new GM truck this year because they their pay is so shitty...Americans forced to compete with very badly paid workers...that is what these agreements do. I thank God we are not in the TPP...it was a bad agreement.

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At long last, 11-member Pacific trade deal takes effect [View all] Recursion Dec 2018 OP

It is good to know there are some sane, knowlegable people still in the world. pazzyanne Dec 2018 #1

I can recall when TPP was a hated term here... brooklynite Dec 2018 #11

Just like Obamacare was hated, pazzyanne Dec 2018 #12

Not even close to the same thing...the TPP provided benefits to rich globalists and Demsrule86 Jan 2019 #94

This message was self-deleted by its author pazzyanne Dec 2018 #13

The TPP is evil. Demsrule86 Jan 2019 #37

Only if you haven't read it and don't understand it. allgood33 Jan 2019 #56

Slavery is never good in an context. But I have read it actually...and it is as bad as I thought. Demsrule86 Jan 2019 #58

This treaty aint all that good. Farmer-Rick Jan 2019 #27

I remember Minnesota farmers and Jesse Ventura pazzyanne Jan 2019 #38

Farmers suckered by Trump; djacq Dec 2018 #2

May not be a good deal for everyone... Maxheader Dec 2018 #3

When we were in it, it was supposed to be an anti-China bloc Recursion Dec 2018 #4

Thank you (not), 0range 45, for another ham-fisted adjustment to NCjack Dec 2018 #5

The global economy is a reality that everyone has to come to terms with Yavin4 Dec 2018 #6

The solution is courts open to Unions and Environmental Groups NOT JUST Corporations Farmer-Rick Jan 2019 #28

As consumers, we benefit from this "out of control capitalist trade environment" Yavin4 Jan 2019 #41

I feel you Farmer-Rick Jan 2019 #42

Just came from Best Buy Yavin4 Jan 2019 #52

Perhaps Farmer-Rick Jan 2019 #54

It's not just the manufacturing that's the issue Yavin4 Jan 2019 #55

without jobs you can't buy stuff so jobs are more important. Demsrule86 Jan 2019 #92

But there are jobs that come from globalization Yavin4 Jan 2019 #93

Signing onto bad deals that hurt our manufacturers is not the answer...we Demsrule86 Jan 2019 #71

How do you define "bad deals"? Yavin4 Jan 2019 #73

Workers have not been displaced their jobs were shipped out to countries with low wages. We can not Demsrule86 Jan 2019 #74

Not ALL workers. That's the problem. Yavin4 Jan 2019 #75

Few have benefited compared to the loss of good paying jobs Demsrule86 Jan 2019 #77

US unemployment fell steadily from 1994 to 2000, and real wages steadily rose: ucrdem Jan 2019 #81

Really, take a look at Gary Indiana , Detroit or Youngstown Ohio...and now white collar jobs are Demsrule86 Jan 2019 #88

NAFTA didn't kill those rust belt jobs and pulling out of the TPP won't bring them back. ucrdem Jan 2019 #95

GM sent a new truck to Mexico a month ago...and trade agreement are killing our jobs...NAFTA Demsrule86 Jan 2019 #96

Another sabotage of Obama's policy FakeNoose Dec 2018 #7

This message was self-deleted by its author Firestorm49 Dec 2018 #8

Too many unknowns. Firestorm49 Dec 2018 #9

You swallowed the Russian talking points very well Recursion Dec 2018 #10

Well, how come Obama, the Dems or the media never told us that Doitnow Dec 2018 #14

Obama did, nobody listened Recursion Dec 2018 #15

Guess you weren't listening. GulfCoast66 Dec 2018 #16

I heard him supporting thr tpp but never heard him refute Doitnow Dec 2018 #20

God god man(or woman). GulfCoast66 Dec 2018 #21

Sorry if I misled you, but I meant that I never heard Obama refute Doitnow Dec 2018 #24

Part of the reason we are where we are today are because of those who subscribe to the all or still_one Jan 2019 #26

Bernie long led that argument, but the blow that likely killed things was Clinton joining the karynnj Jan 2019 #68

I can't disagree with your political theory. GulfCoast66 Jan 2019 #76

Barack signed it into law in 2015. The blow that killed it was electing Trump. ucrdem Jan 2019 #82

It never passed the Senate karynnj Jan 2019 #83

The US and 11 other nations formally signed the deal on Feb 4, 2016. ucrdem Jan 2019 #85

Nothing I said disagrees with that karynnj Jan 2019 #86

No it wouldn't have helped her. The TPP was very unpopular...for good reason. Demsrule86 Jan 2019 #91

Obama and many in his administration, including John Kerry explained TTP karynnj Jan 2019 #66

That is NOT true Farmer-Rick Jan 2019 #29

Where are they now ucrdem Dec 2018 #17

Reich was more a "meh" sayer Recursion Dec 2018 #18

Jan 19, 2014: "The TPP is NAFTA on steroids." ucrdem Dec 2018 #19

Right! The attemt to re-right history on DU is astounding. GulfCoast66 Dec 2018 #22

Without a Doubt!! SkyDaddy7 Dec 2018 #23

You are correct. Farmer-Rick Jan 2019 #30

Relieved they kept the unionization requirements for Vietnam, JHan Jan 2019 #25

Requirements??????? Farmer-Rick Jan 2019 #31

sigh JHan Jan 2019 #32

You need to read it, because you clearly haven't Recursion Jan 2019 #33

So did NAFTA and none of it will ever be enforced. Demsrule86 Jan 2019 #35

It's been enforced by NAFTA, FFS Recursion Jan 2019 #39

NO, NO Union has ever sued under any free trade agreements Farmer-Rick Jan 2019 #46

You're just factually wrong. You need to do some reading on this Recursion Jan 2019 #50

Read the documents they are everywhere. Farmer-Rick Jan 2019 #57

No it hasn't . My hubs worked in autos for years...and Mexico did not enforce any of Demsrule86 Jan 2019 #59

Successful? I don't think so...how about a link. Demsrule86 Jan 2019 #72

No NAFTA did not have those provisions karynnj Jan 2019 #84

Not really true. Demsrule86 Jan 2019 #87

And what are the penalties for failure to comply???? Farmer-Rick Jan 2019 #43

They're set by those tribunals you seem so horrified by. Recursion Jan 2019 #44

Only if a country or nation takes up their cause for them. Farmer-Rick Jan 2019 #47

Yep the tribunals are a joke and the US will win well never. Demsrule86 Jan 2019 #60

No enforcement mechanism...all these great 'rights' and no way to make it happen...and that Demsrule86 Jan 2019 #36

This is hilarious: you complain about the tribunals, and then complain there is no enforcement Recursion Jan 2019 #40

ONLY Corporations and nations have standing to use the tribunals. NOT Unions, NOT citizens, Farmer-Rick Jan 2019 #48

You should really learn more about NAFTA Recursion Jan 2019 #51

You don't either if you think Unions are taking their cases Farmer-Rick Jan 2019 #53

No it doesn't...hubs worked in more than a few auto plants over the years...and many closed because Demsrule86 Jan 2019 #64

FAKE enforcement. Tribunals are a joke. Demsrule86 Jan 2019 #61

That is a bad treaty. It allows slave labor. Demsrule86 Jan 2019 #34

It does not allow slave labor Recursion Jan 2019 #45

It has absolutely NO penalties if a corporation uses slaves. Farmer-Rick Jan 2019 #49

Really...Malaysia was allowed to be part of the TPP ....there was a big argument about it because Demsrule86 Jan 2019 #63

Assange killing the TPP single-handedly was Blue_Tires Jan 2019 #62

And how did that happen? I am not an Assange fan but Demsrule86 Jan 2019 #65

Because trade negotiations are usually done "in secret"? Blue_Tires Jan 2019 #67

The TPP was fishy which allowed slave countries like Malaysia to join...sorry it was a bad agreement Demsrule86 Jan 2019 #69

The same Malaysia that's angling for an FTA with the EU? Blue_Tires Jan 2019 #78

Trump is an idiot...which doesn't mean that the TPP was a good agreement ...it was a bad Demsrule86 Jan 2019 #90

You have provided no evidence to show your talking points are correct. Demsrule86 Jan 2019 #70

"The participating nations will scrap tariffs on most products." ucrdem Jan 2019 #79

Japan doesn't stop us with 'tariffs' they use false 'safety' bullshit and fees ...they dump on our Demsrule86 Jan 2019 #89

WaPo: "Why Obama's key trade deal with Asia would actually be good for American workers" ucrdem Jan 2019 #80