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MosheFeingold

(3,051 posts)
91. People might want to learn a little bit about SA
Wed Aug 22, 2018, 12:29 PM
Aug 2018

It's far more complex than black vs. white.

It's essentially multiple tribal/ethnic groups, battling for position. One (and a half) of which is largely white.

The people who will be getting this land are not the descendants from whom it was taken. Instead, it will go to yet another hostile tribal group, who happens to be black.

I also am shocked at how quick people are to blame current white citizens of SA for the crimes of other white people (some of whom are ancestors, mot not).

Should I hate present-day German children for what their grandparents did to me and my family? Of course not.

Or maybe we all deserved it because there were rich Jewish families in Germany that were rather horrid people? Hitler's hatred did not come out of a vacuum, you know. There were legitimate beefs with how certain families and individuals acted.

Collective blame of a race for acts of certain members of that race IS RACISM, REGARDLESS OF COLOR.

As it is, this will end badly. Corrupt cronies in the government will take the land.

Nothing will change, except yet another unsympathetic ethnic group will fall victim to mass extermination.

Wonderful ... LenaBaby61 Aug 2018 #1
So if your family bought land in S Africa hundreds of years ago.. EX500rider Aug 2018 #12
This is why we should end inheritance Recursion Aug 2018 #33
Who better to inherit your property then your children or wife? EX500rider Aug 2018 #35
Society. Recursion Aug 2018 #38
So fuck your wife, children or parents? The State deserves your property more? Not. EX500rider Aug 2018 #39
Are you seriously arguing against the inheritance tax here? This is DU. Recursion Aug 2018 #40
Thank you! Inherited wealth is one of the biggest social ills of modern civilization Coventina Aug 2018 #43
I didn't argue against any tax, you said do away with inheritance, that is not a tax.. EX500rider Aug 2018 #44
There's zero difference Recursion Aug 2018 #46
...in your opinion, others mileage may vary. EX500rider Aug 2018 #49
So when I pass on, john657 Aug 2018 #42
What benefit is that to society? Recursion Aug 2018 #45
Because we worked our ass off to make it successful, with the intent to leave it to my kids to run, john657 Aug 2018 #47
And, my business supports other businesses who supply my business with materials john657 Aug 2018 #51
Lucky? I have had plenty of privileges in my life. GulfCoast66 Aug 2018 #54
So please explain to me why my kids, john657 Aug 2018 #65
They should have taken sweat equity while they were doing it, then Recursion Aug 2018 #75
This isn't about a high inheritance tax, john657 Aug 2018 #83
They don't deserve the fruits of *your* labor Recursion Aug 2018 #89
We'll just have to agree to disagree, john657 Aug 2018 #95
Probably because you aren't getting it. wasupaloopa Aug 2018 #127
Well actually yeah society does get people's money Recursion Aug 2018 #130
You don't get a dead person's money because wasupaloopa Aug 2018 #160
By high, you said no inheritance at all MichMan Aug 2018 #128
Huh? john657 Aug 2018 #132
Sorry, I was replying to Recursion MichMan Aug 2018 #134
No problem. john657 Aug 2018 #135
What you described isn't a problem Drahthaardogs Aug 2018 #78
I have no problem with that, john657 Aug 2018 #84
Sting is a good example of what responsible rich people do. Coventina Aug 2018 #86
And that's exactly what my wife and I are doing. john657 Aug 2018 #87
I can't speak for others, but I'm totally OK with that. Coventina Aug 2018 #88
And Sting is free to decide for himself how christx30 Aug 2018 #146
Wow. That's truly sad. I thought as democrats we believed that part of the societal Coventina Aug 2018 #149
The question is "how much is enough"? christx30 Aug 2018 #150
Society hasn't failed you, the rich are hoarding their wealth. Coventina Aug 2018 #158
What is "just enough to get by"? RhodeIslandOne Aug 2018 #151
I'm in this position right now Yupster Aug 2018 #156
And part of the reason it is so difficult to get by, is the hoarding done by the rich. Coventina Aug 2018 #157
But you don't answer the question RhodeIslandOne Aug 2018 #161
No estate should be more than $5 million dollars, max, bequeathed to individuals. Coventina Aug 2018 #162
If I win the lottery I have to pay taxes. You started the business...taxes need to be paid by the Demsrule86 Aug 2018 #163
I pay my quarterly taxes religiously, john657 Aug 2018 #164
Why not? DBoon Aug 2018 #101
Not bought, I think the word you are looking for is stolen WestIndianArchie Aug 2018 #76
No, it is not. EX500rider Aug 2018 #97
I rest my case. WestIndianArchie Aug 2018 #99
Less stolen and more occupied.... EX500rider Aug 2018 #103
Now your reaching WestIndianArchie Aug 2018 #107
Actually in the 1600's you could either hold on to your land... EX500rider Aug 2018 #111
Yes. Old time white land owners killed thousands of indigenous people to protect their land. Hoyt Aug 2018 #105
And yet it is still possible to have legally obtained land in S Africa recently.. EX500rider Aug 2018 #109
Why is it gunners are so upset about racists getting $1.5 million Hoyt Aug 2018 #112
Most sensible people think Zimbabwe 2.0 is a bad idea. EX500rider Aug 2018 #113
Seems to be a correlation among those standing up for the white SA landowners Hoyt Aug 2018 #114
I am against arbitrary land confiscation anytime anywhere. EX500rider Aug 2018 #115
Is that so? PETRUS Aug 2018 #129
That is so. EX500rider Aug 2018 #131
It's not that I suspect you of misrepresenting your opinion. PETRUS Aug 2018 #159
You should go see a doctor for that torn tendon you suffered reaching for that conclusion. john657 Aug 2018 #119
No doctor necessary. Gunz and apartheid are highly correlated. Hoyt Aug 2018 #126
If you say so. N/T john657 Aug 2018 #133
I do, and I've said it plenty of times before including to your buddy GGJohn. Sorry to hear of his Hoyt Aug 2018 #136
Thank you for that, john657 Aug 2018 #137
Well, that's good. Hoyt Aug 2018 #138
Post removed Post removed Aug 2018 #116
Personal attacks....the definite sign someone has lost a argument on the internet. EX500rider Aug 2018 #118
Oops, I guess personal attacks are verboten. john657 Aug 2018 #121
That one was certainly was, called me some quite nasty things. EX500rider Aug 2018 #122
Not so much, coming from someone who saw that post before it was removed. Judi Lynn Aug 2018 #153
That's nice. EX500rider Aug 2018 #155
Apparently somebody hasn't been paying attention Jake Stern Aug 2018 #2
Why would they want to return? NickB79 Aug 2018 #23
Very much so Jake Stern Aug 2018 #24
I agree fully. christx30 Aug 2018 #66
Now they can divide it equitably among the real owners samir.g Aug 2018 #3
And who might that be then? Ron Obvious Aug 2018 #4
My guess is in an amazing coincidence, the real owners Yupster Aug 2018 #6
Seems like a coal mining company wants that land. Honeycombe8 Aug 2018 #8
Some people don't think beyond the headline. n/m RhodeIslandOne Aug 2018 #34
It's a can of worms most don't want to open but it's similar too who are the original owners... brush Aug 2018 #14
It sure isn't the Zulus... dbackjon Aug 2018 #27
If they do, hopefully they will also provide financing and education to run a succesful farm FrodosNewPet Aug 2018 #9
There are already rumbles it will be mined obamanut2012 Aug 2018 #20
What "real owners"? EX500rider Aug 2018 #13
A inaccurate premise forwarded by Holden in 1866 LanternWaste Aug 2018 #18
Unfortunately nomadic tribes making occasional stops in a area... EX500rider Aug 2018 #19
The Bantu were just as much of colonial oppressors as the Dutch dbackjon Aug 2018 #29
Careful now. GulfCoast66 Aug 2018 #55
Yup - but the truth should never be surpressed or ignored if unpleasant dbackjon Aug 2018 #90
These are game farms per the OP NickB79 Aug 2018 #22
Great. Another Zimbabwe. GulfCoast66 Aug 2018 #5
See post #2 about Zimbabwe. brush Aug 2018 #15
And the EU is NO WHERE to be found Bo Aug 2018 #7
Holy Crap! moreland01 Aug 2018 #10
This is NOT a good idea. Adrahil Aug 2018 #11
See post number 2. There is an equitable solution. brush Aug 2018 #16
I'm not saying you are wrong.... Adrahil Aug 2018 #17
The response to that plea has been rather negative Jake Stern Aug 2018 #21
So it is then. The country will have to build itself. Easier to do without white supremacy though. brush Aug 2018 #68
Just put yourself in the position of a white Zimbabwean farmer Yupster Aug 2018 #67
It's not ideal. I agree. The country will have to build itself up if there are no takers. brush Aug 2018 #69
Yeah it's not ideal Yupster Aug 2018 #71
OK, you delineated the negatives. How about one huge positive... brush Aug 2018 #72
They could have gone for race neutral laws Yupster Aug 2018 #73
South Africa had a Mandela. Zimbabwe did not. History can't be turned back. brush Aug 2018 #79
surprisingly large number of apologists for colonialism samir.g Aug 2018 #25
Yup! happy feet Aug 2018 #26
Not surprisingly, someone has no clue of the history of Southern Africa dbackjon Aug 2018 #28
You mean like the smashing success of farm seizures in Zimbabwe? Jake Stern Aug 2018 #30
Give the ZimBabweans time. It'll be a long, hard slog. The Mugabe era is over. brush Aug 2018 #70
You've made it john657 Aug 2018 #32
+10000 BannonsLiver Aug 2018 #62
Thank you. john657 Aug 2018 #63
I guess in your mind Zimbabwe has been a shining success GulfCoast66 Aug 2018 #58
So glad you posted. There are subjects when posted tell you immediately who will attend, Judi Lynn Aug 2018 #123
Game farms? Fuck those fucking fucks. Take their land, PLEASE!!!! Coventina Aug 2018 #31
Game farms help keep African species numbers healthier then small subsistence farms will. EX500rider Aug 2018 #36
Sorry, but I'm not going to buy the crap canned hunt profiteers try to sell. Coventina Aug 2018 #41
You don't have to buy the truth if you don't want. EX500rider Aug 2018 #48
Give me a break. These people make their living off of getting trophy hunters' rocks off. Coventina Aug 2018 #50
So in your opinion taking a game preserve with thriving wildlife.. EX500rider Aug 2018 #52
WE MUST KILL THE ANIMALS TO SAVE THEM!!! Coventina Aug 2018 #53
So fuck habitat? The animals will survive on farms somehow? They will not. EX500rider Aug 2018 #56
There are MANY organizations working with farmers to ensure that both humans and animals Coventina Aug 2018 #57
Turning large game preserves into small farms will be a net loss of habitat for the animals.. EX500rider Aug 2018 #59
Well managed farms are better for the wildlife than being chased, cornered, and massacred to prove a Coventina Aug 2018 #61
Not surprisingly farms are fenced in and discourage large herds of animals eating and.. EX500rider Aug 2018 #64
You are seriously comparing carnivores to trophy hunters?!?!?! Coventina Aug 2018 #80
If I was a Gazelle.. EX500rider Aug 2018 #106
You clearly have no idea how predators bring down prey. Coventina Aug 2018 #139
No, I have seen it several times on nature documentaries. EX500rider Aug 2018 #143
You love their propaganda, don't you? Coventina Aug 2018 #145
Really? EX500rider Aug 2018 #98
Yes, because game farms are the only places in SA where herds of grazing animals live. Coventina Aug 2018 #140
I can guarantee you none of them live on working farms. EX500rider Aug 2018 #141
I can guarantee that you are wrong. Coventina Aug 2018 #144
Show me a farm (not a ranch) with herds of wildebeest and gazelle and Cape Buffalo.,, EX500rider Aug 2018 #147
Oh brother, now you want to play the semantics game? Coventina Aug 2018 #148
Looks like this, from worse to best outcome: (urban being the worse) EX500rider Aug 2018 #60
Trophy hunter propaganda. Coventina Aug 2018 #81
"many wildlife organizations are working with farmers to make their farms accommodating.." EX500rider Aug 2018 #100
I am not your Google, but I'll give you one example that I support heavily: Coventina Aug 2018 #142
Just saw this "conversation." You have something to say, believe me. Judi Lynn Aug 2018 #152
was never their land in the first place... cntrfthrs Aug 2018 #37
A good point Yupster Aug 2018 #74
"no one's land was their's in the first place" jberryhill Aug 2018 #82
Neither is yours. Or mine. Codeine Aug 2018 #85
News WestIndianArchie Aug 2018 #77
People might want to learn a little bit about SA MosheFeingold Aug 2018 #91
Thank you for that post. DavidDvorkin Aug 2018 #92
Stop Stop Stop WestIndianArchie Aug 2018 #96
If you live anywhere in the Americas Jake Stern Aug 2018 #102
Stop it, stop it, stop it. WestIndianArchie Aug 2018 #104
I'm Muscogee. But I live on land that once belonged to the Comanche Nation. Jake Stern Aug 2018 #108
yeah yeah yeah WestIndianArchie Aug 2018 #110
So you're good MosheFeingold Aug 2018 #117
Lolololololol EllieBC Aug 2018 #124
Ha MosheFeingold Aug 2018 #154
For some reason, you're never supposed to point that out on DU. DavidDvorkin Aug 2018 #120
Who do you want to give it too? dbackjon Aug 2018 #93
It's one great big shit sandwich Steerpike Aug 2018 #94
In five years, or less, the people will be starving. oneshooter Aug 2018 #125
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