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49. ...in your opinion, others mileage may vary.

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South African White Farmers' Land to be Seized in Controversial Land Redistribution Claim [View all] Calista241 Aug 2018 OP

Wonderful ... LenaBaby61 Aug 2018 #1

So if your family bought land in S Africa hundreds of years ago.. EX500rider Aug 2018 #12

This is why we should end inheritance Recursion Aug 2018 #33

Who better to inherit your property then your children or wife? EX500rider Aug 2018 #35

Society. Recursion Aug 2018 #38

So fuck your wife, children or parents? The State deserves your property more? Not. EX500rider Aug 2018 #39

Are you seriously arguing against the inheritance tax here? This is DU. Recursion Aug 2018 #40

Thank you! Inherited wealth is one of the biggest social ills of modern civilization Coventina Aug 2018 #43

I didn't argue against any tax, you said do away with inheritance, that is not a tax.. EX500rider Aug 2018 #44

There's zero difference Recursion Aug 2018 #46

...in your opinion, others mileage may vary. EX500rider Aug 2018 #49

So when I pass on, john657 Aug 2018 #42

What benefit is that to society? Recursion Aug 2018 #45

Because we worked our ass off to make it successful, with the intent to leave it to my kids to run, john657 Aug 2018 #47

And, my business supports other businesses who supply my business with materials john657 Aug 2018 #51

Lucky? I have had plenty of privileges in my life. GulfCoast66 Aug 2018 #54

So please explain to me why my kids, john657 Aug 2018 #65

They should have taken sweat equity while they were doing it, then Recursion Aug 2018 #75

This isn't about a high inheritance tax, john657 Aug 2018 #83

They don't deserve the fruits of *your* labor Recursion Aug 2018 #89

We'll just have to agree to disagree, john657 Aug 2018 #95

Probably because you aren't getting it. wasupaloopa Aug 2018 #127

Well actually yeah society does get people's money Recursion Aug 2018 #130

You don't get a dead person's money because wasupaloopa Aug 2018 #160

By high, you said no inheritance at all MichMan Aug 2018 #128

Huh? john657 Aug 2018 #132

Sorry, I was replying to Recursion MichMan Aug 2018 #134

No problem. john657 Aug 2018 #135

What you described isn't a problem Drahthaardogs Aug 2018 #78

I have no problem with that, john657 Aug 2018 #84

Sting is a good example of what responsible rich people do. Coventina Aug 2018 #86

And that's exactly what my wife and I are doing. john657 Aug 2018 #87

I can't speak for others, but I'm totally OK with that. Coventina Aug 2018 #88

And Sting is free to decide for himself how christx30 Aug 2018 #146

Wow. That's truly sad. I thought as democrats we believed that part of the societal Coventina Aug 2018 #149

The question is "how much is enough"? christx30 Aug 2018 #150

Society hasn't failed you, the rich are hoarding their wealth. Coventina Aug 2018 #158

What is "just enough to get by"? RhodeIslandOne Aug 2018 #151

I'm in this position right now Yupster Aug 2018 #156

And part of the reason it is so difficult to get by, is the hoarding done by the rich. Coventina Aug 2018 #157

But you don't answer the question RhodeIslandOne Aug 2018 #161

No estate should be more than $5 million dollars, max, bequeathed to individuals. Coventina Aug 2018 #162

If I win the lottery I have to pay taxes. You started the business...taxes need to be paid by the Demsrule86 Aug 2018 #163

I pay my quarterly taxes religiously, john657 Aug 2018 #164

Why not? DBoon Aug 2018 #101

Not bought, I think the word you are looking for is stolen WestIndianArchie Aug 2018 #76

No, it is not. EX500rider Aug 2018 #97

I rest my case. WestIndianArchie Aug 2018 #99

Less stolen and more occupied.... EX500rider Aug 2018 #103

Now your reaching WestIndianArchie Aug 2018 #107

Actually in the 1600's you could either hold on to your land... EX500rider Aug 2018 #111

Yes. Old time white land owners killed thousands of indigenous people to protect their land. Hoyt Aug 2018 #105

And yet it is still possible to have legally obtained land in S Africa recently.. EX500rider Aug 2018 #109

Why is it gunners are so upset about racists getting $1.5 million Hoyt Aug 2018 #112

Most sensible people think Zimbabwe 2.0 is a bad idea. EX500rider Aug 2018 #113

Seems to be a correlation among those standing up for the white SA landowners Hoyt Aug 2018 #114

I am against arbitrary land confiscation anytime anywhere. EX500rider Aug 2018 #115

Is that so? PETRUS Aug 2018 #129

That is so. EX500rider Aug 2018 #131

It's not that I suspect you of misrepresenting your opinion. PETRUS Aug 2018 #159

You should go see a doctor for that torn tendon you suffered reaching for that conclusion. john657 Aug 2018 #119

No doctor necessary. Gunz and apartheid are highly correlated. Hoyt Aug 2018 #126

If you say so. N/T john657 Aug 2018 #133

I do, and I've said it plenty of times before including to your buddy GGJohn. Sorry to hear of his Hoyt Aug 2018 #136

Thank you for that, john657 Aug 2018 #137

Well, that's good. Hoyt Aug 2018 #138

Post removed Post removed Aug 2018 #116

Personal attacks....the definite sign someone has lost a argument on the internet. EX500rider Aug 2018 #118

Oops, I guess personal attacks are verboten. john657 Aug 2018 #121

That one was certainly was, called me some quite nasty things. EX500rider Aug 2018 #122

Not so much, coming from someone who saw that post before it was removed. Judi Lynn Aug 2018 #153

That's nice. EX500rider Aug 2018 #155

Apparently somebody hasn't been paying attention Jake Stern Aug 2018 #2

Why would they want to return? NickB79 Aug 2018 #23

Very much so Jake Stern Aug 2018 #24

I agree fully. christx30 Aug 2018 #66

Now they can divide it equitably among the real owners samir.g Aug 2018 #3

And who might that be then? Ron Obvious Aug 2018 #4

My guess is in an amazing coincidence, the real owners Yupster Aug 2018 #6

Seems like a coal mining company wants that land. Honeycombe8 Aug 2018 #8

Some people don't think beyond the headline. n/m RhodeIslandOne Aug 2018 #34

It's a can of worms most don't want to open but it's similar too who are the original owners... brush Aug 2018 #14

It sure isn't the Zulus... dbackjon Aug 2018 #27

If they do, hopefully they will also provide financing and education to run a succesful farm FrodosNewPet Aug 2018 #9

There are already rumbles it will be mined obamanut2012 Aug 2018 #20

What "real owners"? EX500rider Aug 2018 #13

A inaccurate premise forwarded by Holden in 1866 LanternWaste Aug 2018 #18

Unfortunately nomadic tribes making occasional stops in a area... EX500rider Aug 2018 #19

The Bantu were just as much of colonial oppressors as the Dutch dbackjon Aug 2018 #29

Careful now. GulfCoast66 Aug 2018 #55

Yup - but the truth should never be surpressed or ignored if unpleasant dbackjon Aug 2018 #90

These are game farms per the OP NickB79 Aug 2018 #22

Great. Another Zimbabwe. GulfCoast66 Aug 2018 #5

See post #2 about Zimbabwe. brush Aug 2018 #15

And the EU is NO WHERE to be found Bo Aug 2018 #7

Holy Crap! moreland01 Aug 2018 #10

This is NOT a good idea. Adrahil Aug 2018 #11

See post number 2. There is an equitable solution. brush Aug 2018 #16

I'm not saying you are wrong.... Adrahil Aug 2018 #17

The response to that plea has been rather negative Jake Stern Aug 2018 #21

So it is then. The country will have to build itself. Easier to do without white supremacy though. brush Aug 2018 #68

Just put yourself in the position of a white Zimbabwean farmer Yupster Aug 2018 #67

It's not ideal. I agree. The country will have to build itself up if there are no takers. brush Aug 2018 #69

Yeah it's not ideal Yupster Aug 2018 #71

OK, you delineated the negatives. How about one huge positive... brush Aug 2018 #72

They could have gone for race neutral laws Yupster Aug 2018 #73

South Africa had a Mandela. Zimbabwe did not. History can't be turned back. brush Aug 2018 #79

surprisingly large number of apologists for colonialism samir.g Aug 2018 #25

Yup! happy feet Aug 2018 #26

Not surprisingly, someone has no clue of the history of Southern Africa dbackjon Aug 2018 #28

You mean like the smashing success of farm seizures in Zimbabwe? Jake Stern Aug 2018 #30

Give the ZimBabweans time. It'll be a long, hard slog. The Mugabe era is over. brush Aug 2018 #70

You've made it john657 Aug 2018 #32

+10000 BannonsLiver Aug 2018 #62

Thank you. john657 Aug 2018 #63

I guess in your mind Zimbabwe has been a shining success GulfCoast66 Aug 2018 #58

So glad you posted. There are subjects when posted tell you immediately who will attend, Judi Lynn Aug 2018 #123

Game farms? Fuck those fucking fucks. Take their land, PLEASE!!!! Coventina Aug 2018 #31

Game farms help keep African species numbers healthier then small subsistence farms will. EX500rider Aug 2018 #36

Sorry, but I'm not going to buy the crap canned hunt profiteers try to sell. Coventina Aug 2018 #41

You don't have to buy the truth if you don't want. EX500rider Aug 2018 #48

Give me a break. These people make their living off of getting trophy hunters' rocks off. Coventina Aug 2018 #50

So in your opinion taking a game preserve with thriving wildlife.. EX500rider Aug 2018 #52

WE MUST KILL THE ANIMALS TO SAVE THEM!!! Coventina Aug 2018 #53

So fuck habitat? The animals will survive on farms somehow? They will not. EX500rider Aug 2018 #56

There are MANY organizations working with farmers to ensure that both humans and animals Coventina Aug 2018 #57

Turning large game preserves into small farms will be a net loss of habitat for the animals.. EX500rider Aug 2018 #59

Well managed farms are better for the wildlife than being chased, cornered, and massacred to prove a Coventina Aug 2018 #61

Not surprisingly farms are fenced in and discourage large herds of animals eating and.. EX500rider Aug 2018 #64

You are seriously comparing carnivores to trophy hunters?!?!?! Coventina Aug 2018 #80

If I was a Gazelle.. EX500rider Aug 2018 #106

You clearly have no idea how predators bring down prey. Coventina Aug 2018 #139

No, I have seen it several times on nature documentaries. EX500rider Aug 2018 #143

You love their propaganda, don't you? Coventina Aug 2018 #145

Really? EX500rider Aug 2018 #98

Yes, because game farms are the only places in SA where herds of grazing animals live. Coventina Aug 2018 #140

I can guarantee you none of them live on working farms. EX500rider Aug 2018 #141

I can guarantee that you are wrong. Coventina Aug 2018 #144

Show me a farm (not a ranch) with herds of wildebeest and gazelle and Cape Buffalo.,, EX500rider Aug 2018 #147

Oh brother, now you want to play the semantics game? Coventina Aug 2018 #148

Looks like this, from worse to best outcome: (urban being the worse) EX500rider Aug 2018 #60

Trophy hunter propaganda. Coventina Aug 2018 #81

"many wildlife organizations are working with farmers to make their farms accommodating.." EX500rider Aug 2018 #100

I am not your Google, but I'll give you one example that I support heavily: Coventina Aug 2018 #142

Just saw this "conversation." You have something to say, believe me. Judi Lynn Aug 2018 #152

was never their land in the first place... cntrfthrs Aug 2018 #37

A good point Yupster Aug 2018 #74

"no one's land was their's in the first place" jberryhill Aug 2018 #82

Neither is yours. Or mine. Codeine Aug 2018 #85

News WestIndianArchie Aug 2018 #77

People might want to learn a little bit about SA MosheFeingold Aug 2018 #91

Thank you for that post. DavidDvorkin Aug 2018 #92

Stop Stop Stop WestIndianArchie Aug 2018 #96

If you live anywhere in the Americas Jake Stern Aug 2018 #102

Stop it, stop it, stop it. WestIndianArchie Aug 2018 #104

I'm Muscogee. But I live on land that once belonged to the Comanche Nation. Jake Stern Aug 2018 #108

yeah yeah yeah WestIndianArchie Aug 2018 #110

So you're good MosheFeingold Aug 2018 #117

Lolololololol EllieBC Aug 2018 #124

Ha MosheFeingold Aug 2018 #154

For some reason, you're never supposed to point that out on DU. DavidDvorkin Aug 2018 #120

Who do you want to give it too? dbackjon Aug 2018 #93

It's one great big shit sandwich Steerpike Aug 2018 #94

In five years, or less, the people will be starving. oneshooter Aug 2018 #125