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NurseJackie

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51. I love you, Hoyt... but I think you missed the mark on this one.

Tue Jun 12, 2018, 04:50 PM

Jun 2018

It sure beats trump thumping his chest threatening to nuke Rocket Man

Using this kind of rationalizing and relativism, one could also argue how "positive" it is that a convicted child rapist is now only being accused of kidnapping.

but I'm not going to hope Kim fires a nuke so we can say trump is a failure.

I don't believe that ANYONE here is hoping for that.

Senator Schumer's response and analysis is the only correct one. "Trump has legitimized a brutal dictator who's starved his own people" (and murdered his own family members). This wasn't a "step in the right direction" it was a misstep... it was a mistake.

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Bernie Sanders Praises Trump-Kim Summit: Overall 'A Positive Step' [View all] DonViejo Jun 2018 OP

Of course... George II Jun 2018 #1

that was praising? seriously? "more than a series of photo ops". The bar for praise is low. JCanete Jun 2018 #5

I think "a positive step" is praise More_Cowbell Jun 2018 #14

and not at all tempered by the suggetsion that it remains to be seen if this is just a photo op. JCanete Jun 2018 #26

If Pelosi or Schumer had tweeted this, there would be a feeding frenzy from ehrnst Jun 2018 #187

maybe, and it wouldn't be any more right. I defended what Feinstein said about Trump, and I'm no big JCanete Jun 2018 #211

He put Trump in a positive light while children are being put in concentration camps in Demsrule86 Jun 2018 #144

Yeah a "positive step".. is praising and ridiculous.. Cha Jun 2018 #215

This is the "positive step".. Cha Jun 2018 #169

HA! betsuni Jun 2018 #170

Where can I get a pair of bucolic_frolic Jun 2018 #2

"Light on substance"? thucythucy Jun 2018 #3

Good way to put it. Kittycow Jun 2018 #24

Bingo! ollie10 Jun 2018 #55

That's what B Sanders meant by "light on substance." DemocracyMouse Jun 2018 #138

Throwing our ally South Korea under the bus is "light on substance?" ehrnst Jun 2018 #188

You're not helping. volstork Jun 2018 #4

Helping what? N/t blue cat Jun 2018 #79

Anything. nt Honeycombe8 Jun 2018 #213

Trump legitimizes Kim, Bernie legitimizes Trump. John Fante Jun 2018 #6

I'm afraid Bernie's gone too far for me. lagomorph777 Jun 2018 #22

Not me (flame you, that is) thegoose Jun 2018 #28

Oh FFS humbled_opinion Jun 2018 #83

"Oh FFS" No it isn't Cha Jun 2018 #111

Sure it is. Next time we should meekly accept the Annointed One. lagomorph777 Jun 2018 #122

Oh yeah.. and it's Cha Jun 2018 #123

What does FFS mean!? And stop snipping at Bernie! DemocracyMouse Jun 2018 #143

Simmer down.. BS brings it on himself. Cha Jun 2018 #146

How? DemocracyMouse Jun 2018 #179

See the OP. (nt) ehrnst Jun 2018 #194

I read it. Bernie Sanders made a clear, balanced statement DemocracyMouse Jun 2018 #200

That same statement coming from Pelosi or Schumer would be ehrnst Jun 2018 #203

If you think Bernie can't handle some criticism here on DU without you scolding people ehrnst Jun 2018 #193

Mahalo, ehrnst.. Well Done! Cha Jun 2018 #209

The nation is no more conscious of that than it was before treestar Jun 2018 #207

I dunno. Seems like that statement could be thrown out there by either side in this debate. KPN Jun 2018 #154

The anointed one is the one that gets the most votes in the primary process treestar Jun 2018 #206

I keep seeing posts that imply there should have been no primary process. lagomorph777 Jun 2018 #210

On a total change of subject, do you know what the first thing I thought was when I read your post? StevieM Jun 2018 #190

You say "potato" I say "potatoe" - let's call the whole thing off lagomorph777 Jun 2018 #191

Oh you know Mr Love army MrPool Jun 2018 #61

We Need Goodman To Make It Complete Me. Jun 2018 #73

Ha Ha sheshe2 Jun 2018 #110

Meanwhile Nancy Pelosi is living in the real world.. Cha Jun 2018 #118

There you go! 👏 eom sprinkleeninow Jun 2018 #167

This is supposedly the "positive step".. Cha Jun 2018 #168

Perfect! NurseJackie Jun 2018 #82

Light on substance? murielm99 Jun 2018 #7

Yeah, like there was no freaking "substance" at all.. it was Cha Jun 2018 #113

Still want Bernie? DownriverDem Jun 2018 #8

Try Pirelli's miracle elixir... thegoose Jun 2018 #32

I never thought tazkcmo Jun 2018 #37

A photo-op where he praises a murdering dictator? Right after slamming Canada? tinrobot Jun 2018 #9

That's highly substantive, but certainly not in a good way. George II Jun 2018 #49

Alternate headline: Bernie Sanders Criticizes Trump-Kim Summit as "Very Light on Substance" oberliner Jun 2018 #10

Even the best headline you could come up with shows how slight Bernie's criticism was. pnwmom Jun 2018 #15

Understood oberliner Jun 2018 #57

Praises it as a positive step is the point of that sentence- light on substance just qualified it bettyellen Jun 2018 #17

True oberliner Jun 2018 #54

He says nothing of he secret talks which are terribly concerning. bettyellen Jun 2018 #99

Assumes "substance". NurseJackie Jun 2018 #19

I s'pose when it comes to headlines, it's all in the spin. LanternWaste Jun 2018 #23

That's exactly my point oberliner Jun 2018 #53

It doesn't need to be spun in a positive way because Bernie is praising Trump! John Fante Jun 2018 #76

Only in the sense that Bernie prefers this to Trump threatening nuclear war oberliner Jun 2018 #86

If someone pulled a gun at you in anger, only to think John Fante Jun 2018 #94

Putting the gun away would be a positive step oberliner Jun 2018 #95

Oh brother. John Fante Jun 2018 #97

No need to spin. sheshe2 Jun 2018 #112

How about the content of that tweet? ehrnst Jun 2018 #182

+1! KPN Jun 2018 #158

This seems like a reasonable statement to me, but let the Bernie bashing continue /nt al bupp Jun 2018 #11

How? tazkcmo Jun 2018 #30

"let the Bernie bashing continue" --- Nobody is doing that. NurseJackie Jun 2018 #34

I'd pretend criticism is bashing as well. LanternWaste Jun 2018 #43

Well said, and the defensiveness and blindness to reality is getting stronger every day emulatorloo Jun 2018 #100

Right, I'm sure my comment was all of what you said al bupp Jun 2018 #136

The meeting gave a murderous dictator legitimacy. That in itself is significant "substance". George II Jun 2018 #52

Why would the guy compliment two dictators? rockfordfile Jun 2018 #56

Where, exactly, was the compliment? al bupp Jun 2018 #133

There isn't anything praiseworthy about this bullshit stunt and you damn well know it Blue_Tires Jun 2018 #70

He hardly praised anything al bupp Jun 2018 #130

Of course the headline says differently, doesn't it?? Blue_Tires Jun 2018 #173

One could suppose that some only read the headline al bupp Jun 2018 #195

I've worked in news, my man... Blue_Tires Jun 2018 #212

That's undoubtedly true, sir, but here on DU, one expects more al bupp Jun 2018 #214

Exactly! That's why the headline is so obviously bass ackwards or an intentional hit. KPN Jun 2018 #159

Of course.. to his fans. In reality it's giving Cha Jun 2018 #116

Are we not allowed to agree w/ both statements? al bupp Jun 2018 #132

BS is giving cover to trump Cha Jun 2018 #134

So, possibly "de-escalating tensions" is BS al bupp Jun 2018 #139

Yeah, BS is giving cover to the Dictators who Cha Jun 2018 #142

Good question. But apparently not. Stop asking questions and fall in line. KPN Jun 2018 #160

Yes, and all the while remembering that it's the other guys who march in detestable lock-step al bupp Jun 2018 #197

Sure, Bernie! A photo-op that legitimizes a muderous tyrant is a "positive step". NurseJackie Jun 2018 #12

When a journalist yelled a question at Kim Jong Un, Hortensis Jun 2018 #13

Seems to me the laugh said it all. sheshe2 Jun 2018 #114

Mahalo for the report, Hortensis.. Cha Jun 2018 #135

Jesus... He just can't stop praising his boy Donnie, can he? Blue_Tires Jun 2018 #16

Somebody please hold me down....😬 sprinkleeninow Jun 2018 #38

Sen. Schumer was more astute: "We've legitimized a brutal dictator who's starved his own people." NurseJackie Jun 2018 #18

+1 betsuni Jun 2018 #75

Nancy Pelosi is lving in the real world, too.. Cha Jun 2018 #120

Sanders just made me $10 awesomerwb1 Jun 2018 #20

Really? Cha Jun 2018 #137

Of course he did. MrsCoffee Jun 2018 #21

Bernie is looking more and more like Jill Stein every day EricMaundry Jun 2018 #25

From his NO Vote on Magnitsky to THIS.., just pulls another layer off Sander's mask Wwcd Jun 2018 #40

THIS!!! orangecrush Jun 2018 #67

Don't forget he was one of only two Senators to vote against Russia sanctions. George II Jun 2018 #88

WHY would he vote against sanctioning Russia? Wwcd Jun 2018 #91

From what I read (can't verify 100% since it was in the big, bad, corporate media).... George II Jun 2018 #104

Did he honestly think trump would carry thru with the Iran deal? Wwcd Jun 2018 #109

This is exactly what Al Sharpton was talking about when he stated.. Cha Jun 2018 #115

Then its time to weed the crop! Eh Cha! Wwcd Jun 2018 #151

Hey, Wwcd! Cha Jun 2018 #162

👍🥂 sprinkleeninow Jun 2018 #155

Aloha, sprinkleen Cha Jun 2018 #164

Aloha, Cha! sprinkleeninow Jun 2018 #166

Excellent, Wwcd! R B Garr Jun 2018 #198

He's off electioneering another country into fascist chaos, got his $10million pay off and slithered Wwcd Jun 2018 #204

Oh, that $10 million! Still so many questions... R B Garr Jun 2018 #205

Totally! R B Garr Jun 2018 #199

Too far. tazkcmo Jun 2018 #27

God! Will he ever learn. Just say nothing, better yet, echo Sen. Schumer brush Jun 2018 #29

I don't Sanders' optimism is warrented... SWBTATTReg Jun 2018 #31

Is this Borowitz? Or the Onion?? Lil Missy Jun 2018 #33

Hitler probably loved his country, too. greatauntoftriplets Jun 2018 #35

My surprised face Adrahil Jun 2018 #36

Sanders is right on this. It sure beats trump thumping his chest threatening to nuke Rocket Man and Hoyt Jun 2018 #39

OMFG. Defend This Charade??? Wwcd Jun 2018 #42

I think I have a record of Sanders opposition, including 10 or so hidden posts. But he is right on Hoyt Jun 2018 #47

He should stick to domestic then because THIS is a just another of his many statements that Wwcd Jun 2018 #59

As I Said Above Me. Jun 2018 #74

Yes. H.A. Goodman Wwcd Jun 2018 #77

I love you, Hoyt... but I think you missed the mark on this one. NurseJackie Jun 2018 #51

Just a few months ago, we were bashing trump for threatening war with NK, and rightly so. Hoyt Jun 2018 #58

He's unpredictable. THATS THE PROBLEM. Wwcd Jun 2018 #60

Do not disagree. At least in this instance, his unpredictableness may have helped reduce tensions Hoyt Jun 2018 #62

It definitely was the right move, but unfortunately we have the wrong person doing that job. dustyscamp Jun 2018 #90

You do know he appeased Kim by agreeing to stop the joint military... brush Jun 2018 #126

So. Not much for military maneuvers for intimidation whether by Russia, China, or us. Hoyt Jun 2018 #127

Come on. Is that really swooshing over your head? That's a bargaining point... brush Jun 2018 #129

I think you miss the fact that this was not a negotiating summit. It was to arrive at Hoyt Jun 2018 #131

Of course it'll take months so why give away two key bargaining... brush Jun 2018 #141

OK, I really don't care if we -- the USA, screw trump -- gave away things to draw Hoyt Jun 2018 #149

That's one way of looking at it. Another is he foolishly gave away two key bargain chips that he... brush Jun 2018 #150

I trust that trump will have to think twice about threatening NK after this. I think that's good Hoyt Jun 2018 #157

Sorry, but it isn't reasonable to prop up and legitimize a cruel dictator kcr Jun 2018 #180

Fine, support continuation of hostilities. Personally, I've seen enough of that junk. Hoyt Jun 2018 #189

No wonder Biden is beating him in all polls Schedule Jun 2018 #41

Well if there was any question of his Party alignment, Wwcd Jun 2018 #45

Bernie doesn't criticize tRump as much as he criticizes the Democratic Party. njhoneybadger Jun 2018 #44

For 5 people I know who were BIG Bernie supporters, but had begun waffling on supporting him .... LenaBaby61 Jun 2018 #46

I'm sure this is the last straw for many more. 2016 Bernie primary supporter here emulatorloo Jun 2018 #103

Totally did NOT see that one coming. Anon-C Jun 2018 #48

dear god, bernie white trump voters aren't into you, so just stop it. all american girl Jun 2018 #50

Post of the Day. Wwcd Jun 2018 #65

Thank you...now I will be blushing all american girl Jun 2018 #98

Bernie does not need to and should not being weighing in on this issue Thekaspervote Jun 2018 #63

He is right now the most likely person to be the Democratic nominee in the next election oberliner Jun 2018 #64

Haaahaaa. He is the LAST person to be the Dem nominee. Wwcd Jun 2018 #69

The top 15 Democratic presidential hopefuls for 2020, ranked (Washington Post) oberliner Jun 2018 #72

Thats a big fat heap of bull being shoved down the throats of US voters. Wwcd Jun 2018 #81

I'm not saying I think he should be the nominee oberliner Jun 2018 #84

Great post Gothmog Jun 2018 #93

Brava Bella. sheshe2 Jun 2018 #117

+++++ brer cat Jun 2018 #147

K&R ehrnst Jun 2018 #174

Love your sign! mcar Jun 2018 #175

Thanks mcar Wwcd Jun 2018 #176

That's an opinion piece, not a poll. DavidDvorkin Jun 2018 #105

Here's a poll oberliner Jun 2018 #106

Four problems with that poll DavidDvorkin Jun 2018 #107

Fair enough oberliner Jun 2018 #108

Fifth, sixth..... sprinkleeninow Jun 2018 #152

And the poll is limited to NH residents. lapucelle Jun 2018 #184

I didn't even notice that DavidDvorkin Jun 2018 #192

Ha!! :-D NurseJackie Jun 2018 #80

Just going off the WaPo article I posted and various politics betting markets oberliner Jun 2018 #85

That's more amusing the the "world's most popular politician" claim. NurseJackie Jun 2018 #87

They usually list Bernie, Biden, Kamala Harris, and Elizabeth Warren as the frontrunners oberliner Jun 2018 #92

K & R Wwcd Jun 2018 #89

No way. People don't want 4 more years of Trump. kcr Jun 2018 #183

Yeah, really. There is that.. especially with that Cha Jun 2018 #165

This was more than a photo op. Cold War Spook Jun 2018 #66

Wonder what Nat Sec he traded for the real estate deal Wwcd Jun 2018 #71

Here ya go sheshe2 Jun 2018 #119

translation, "Better than a war." shanny Jun 2018 #68

LOL, no. More like, Look at me, Trump voters! R B Garr Jun 2018 #201

Sounds like... Mike Nelson Jun 2018 #78

Pandering to Trump voters. emulatorloo Jun 2018 #96

Exactly, emulatorloo. sheshe2 Jun 2018 #121

Whomever advised him Cha Jun 2018 #124

Totally! That's it. nt R B Garr Jun 2018 #202

A first meeting with a US President that ended in status quo... Thomas Hurt Jun 2018 #101

It's not just a "status quo". trump agreed to stop the military exercises... brush Jun 2018 #128

bernie is trying to get white trump dude...as always all american girl Jun 2018 #102

Absolutely totally agree Owl Jun 2018 #125

Yeah, it's always nice to give the asshole trump cover Cha Jun 2018 #140

Between Trade Policy, Immigration and North Korea - Trump and Sanders ... TomCADem Jun 2018 #148

+ a million. K n R Wwcd Jun 2018 #153

Trump is going to milk this shit from here to 2020. 'See how great I am' YOHABLO Jun 2018 #145

Zzz zzz..... SHRED Jun 2018 #156

"Praises Summit"? Now there's an intentional misrepresentation if ever there was one. KPN Jun 2018 #161

I wish he would go away. madaboutharry Jun 2018 #163

AND TAKE ALL HIS BERNIE OR BUST BOTS WITH HIM Baclava Jun 2018 #186

I think it's going to go bad. I think it's going to go wrong truthisfreedom Jun 2018 #171

Bernie knows where his bread is buttered. PubliusEnigma Jun 2018 #172

Bernie likes photo ops too. itsrobert Jun 2018 #177

Imagine if Pelosi or Schumer had tweeted this. The fur would fly.... (nt) ehrnst Jun 2018 #178

Foreign Policy was never really Bernie's strong suit. kennetha Jun 2018 #181

LOL, irrelevant sidelined Bernie has windbag envy. Maven Jun 2018 #185

It would be - if it weren't just a political ploy by Cheeto to help with the midterms. sandensea Jun 2018 #196

He thinks he's going to get the teumpers behind him. What a disaster lunamagica Jun 2018 #208