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Ms. Toad

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21. Do you really want the government picking and choosing which speech to prioritize?

Thu Mar 1, 2018, 10:56 PM

Mar 2018

The first amendment requires that permits to traditional free speech areas be awarded on a content neutral basis, to avoid allowing the government to pick and choose which speech it wants to allow (or abridge).

If the government could just cancel permits because it believed the speech wasn't important, do you really thing the Trump administration wouldn't have canceled the Women's march the day after it took office? (or that Nixon wouldn't have canceled the vietnam era marches?)

What you are advocating is very dangerous.

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March For Our Lives gun-control rally bumped from D.C.'s National Mall by talent show [View all] riversedge Mar 2018 OP

WTF? sinkingfeeling Mar 2018 #1

The film crews plans for the Mall were more modest,..... pangaia Mar 2018 #2

Cancel the event Weed Man Mar 2018 #14

tell me about it.... pangaia Mar 2018 #19

What kind of "talent"? Shooting skills? lagomorph777 Mar 2018 #39

The "March For Our Lives" permit was filed only last week. EL34x4 Mar 2018 #54

But from what I understand, they CAN make changes. pangaia Mar 2018 #56

If the current applicant is willing to concede, as happened in January 2017... EL34x4 Mar 2018 #57

I see. Thanks. pangaia Mar 2018 #58

Thanks for posting. I will get the word out! BigmanPigman Mar 2018 #3

'were planning their rally away from federal land, elleng Mar 2018 #4

Do it anyway! ananda Mar 2018 #5

When was the request for the film crew's permit filed? LastLiberal in PalmSprings Mar 2018 #6

Federal land managing agencies have authority KPN Mar 2018 #8

Got it. Thanks for the explanation. LastLiberal in PalmSprings Mar 2018 #9

Well, actually, it's speculative to be honest, but it sure comes across as political. KPN Mar 2018 #11

Besides. What if more people march against guns than showed up for his Sophia4 Mar 2018 #51

While under Trumps control Weed Man Mar 2018 #15

Just providing info on process. But yeah, in my mind, this was a political decision. KPN Mar 2018 #22

Permits to traditional free speech areas MUST be issued on a content neutral basis Ms. Toad Mar 2018 #25

True. I was speaking of use permits generally. KPN Mar 2018 #37

The content of the message doesn't have to be profound Ms. Toad Mar 2018 #38

You have a point on that. Again, my intent wasn't to say it was absolutely a political decision KPN Mar 2018 #41

Maybe the people who planned, organized, filled out the permits, and paid the fees... EL34x4 Mar 2018 #55

I.e. a violation of the first amendment. Ms. Toad Mar 2018 #27

Before or after the shooting makes no difference Ms. Toad Mar 2018 #48

I had a feeling the students might have jumped the gun in announcing the rally. LastLiberal in PalmSprings Mar 2018 #50

I call bullshit... noneof_theabove Mar 2018 #7

I call first amendment. Ms. Toad Mar 2018 #16

DC Local ABC7 News just said the March will be held near the Capitol, appalachiablue Mar 2018 #10

Goes right by The presidents Bribery Hotel sharedvalues Mar 2018 #35

Trump Wash DC Internatl. Hotel, 1100 Pa. Ave. NW, in the Old Post Office appalachiablue Mar 2018 #36

If you spend money there, you're bribing the president sharedvalues Mar 2018 #44

I do hope the original permitees give up the space. Is there a way... LAS14 Mar 2018 #12

The park service has already reached out to them - Ms. Toad Mar 2018 #18

Is it a "talent show" or a filming event? LAS14 Mar 2018 #13

A talent show consisting of... Weed Man Mar 2018 #17

Do you really want the government picking and choosing which speech to prioritize? Ms. Toad Mar 2018 #21

Look the march trumps some lame talent show Weed Man Mar 2018 #26

What part of the first amendment do you not understand? Ms. Toad Mar 2018 #28

+1 onenote Mar 2018 #42

I would think they could pick and choose depending on the number of expected participants. LAS14 Mar 2018 #43

Not permitted under the first amendment. Ms. Toad Mar 2018 #45

I think you're stretching things here. LAS14 Mar 2018 #46

The National Park Service doesn't just cancel permits because Oprah is going to pay for it. EL34x4 Mar 2018 #59

The Park Service has asked the other group if they would be amenable to changing their plans... Princess Turandot Mar 2018 #20

In this case the original permit has to be revoked Weed Man Mar 2018 #23

No. Very dangerous suggestion. Ms. Toad Mar 2018 #24

+1 NT flying rabbit Mar 2018 #29

Bless you for trying. EffieBlack Mar 2018 #31

It's hard, in these times, not to focus exclusively on results - Ms. Toad Mar 2018 #32

thanks for hangin' in there! Hermit-The-Prog Mar 2018 #34

According to Huff Post the original applicant was a school. Neema Mar 2018 #49

Read and re-read Ms Toad's posts, because marybourg Mar 2018 #30

To over simplify, tavernier Mar 2018 #52

It reminds me of a time I worked at a state park RhodeIslandOne Mar 2018 #53

This is a blessing in disguise. rgbecker Mar 2018 #33

That thought crossed my mind too. nt LAS14 Mar 2018 #47

Wherever "March for our Lives" happens, I hope it remains peaceful JustABozoOnThisBus Mar 2018 #40