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6. Wind Turbine Deal To Kill Less Birds by Pete Danko, December 16th, 2010
Fri Jan 6, 2012, 09:24 PM
Jan 2012

The wind turbines in the Altamont Pass east of the San Francisco Bay Area, installed in the 1970s and ’80s, might be seen as a symbol of California’s early leadership in renewable energy. But for some bird lovers, the first-of-its-kind operation has long been little more than a killing field. That contrasting view has led to an extended bureaucratic and legal battle, one that appears finally to be drawing to a close.

Environmental groups, the state and NextEra Energy Resources, the largest wind turbine operator at the site, have reached an agreement that requires NextEra to upgrade all its older turbines to newer models that kill far fewer birds. In all, NextEra will replace some 2,400 turbines, with all its existing turbines off line no later than 2015. The deal was announced in a press release by California Attorney General Jerry Brown, who is also the governor-elect.

Because newer-model turbines are more efficient, the company will be able to generate the same amount of energy at Altamont – around 240 megawatts – using far fewer turbines. The company has also agreed to place the new turbines in “environmentally friendly locations.”

According to the state, a 2004 study “found that the 5,400 older turbines operating at Altamont Pass killed an estimated 1,766 to 4,271 birds annually, including between 881 and 1330 raptors such as golden eagles – which are protected under federal law – hawks, falcons and owls.”

http://www.earthtechling.com/2010/12/wind-turbine-deal-to-kill-less-birds/

Why am I so skeptical? Scuba Jan 2012 #1
No reason for skeptcisim-unless you're a troll for the wind industry (Koch Brothers $$$) Liberty Belle Jan 2012 #8
Here in Wisconsin the Koch's own coal plants, and had their bought-and-paid-for governor.... Scuba Jan 2012 #12
koch money works a lot better denying global warming and in oil. i wouldn't put it past certainot Jan 2012 #37
Do you have a cite showing that the Kochs are invested in the turbines in question? drm604 Jan 2012 #55
Oh bullshit. Zoeisright Jan 2012 #69
There are videos of large birds actually sitting on top of the turbines, and other videos of kills. Liberty Belle Jan 2012 #106
If they're that stupid--and I don't think they are--how would they avoid crashing into mountains? nt MADem Jan 2012 #114
The president of "Save the Eagles" is a global warming denier with several astro-turf websites and bananas Jan 2012 #73
Wrong. The local web designer they used has MANY sites in a wide range of fields. Liberty Belle Jan 2012 #84
The only articles I've seen about wind and the Kochs show them spending $$$ opposing wind generation suffragette Jan 2012 #75
correction Liberty Belle Jan 2012 #100
LibertyBelle: That link of yours is to a Tea Party and Koch Brothers supported group: NYC_SKP May 2013 #129
color me skeptic, too wordpix Jan 2012 #24
Me, too. nt valerief Jan 2012 #48
Birds seem pretty good at avoiding moving objects Nikia Jan 2012 #63
One of the few times I went golfing... KansDem Jan 2012 #111
BUT IT WAS ALL IN CAPITALS = HOW DARE YOU BE SKEPTICAL = IF IT WASN'T 100% TRUE grantcart Jan 2012 #97
CONCUR - NEVER BEEN MISLED BY CAPITALISTS. edgineered Jan 2012 #123
Call me a Skeptic as well fascisthunter Jan 2012 #2
I am skepty too Mojeoux Jan 2012 #5
It is not staged. In our area there are reports of bird kills behind hidden. The problem is rampant Liberty Belle Jan 2012 #7
Got a link to current info from Audobon, Cornell, or any other well-known bird/wildlife group? MH1 Jan 2012 #22
here is Audubon's - in short, the org is for wind power but only IF wordpix Jan 2012 #28
Thank you for the citation AND why not just give the citizens the money truedelphi Jan 2012 #56
And those can be equipped with screens and made nearly silent. freshwest Jan 2012 #66
Bingo. But they need to be vertical axis turbines, not horizontals. Verticals don't kill birds. Liberty Belle Jan 2012 #89
The turbines I have seen that go on top of one's roofs truedelphi Jan 2012 #113
I like this idea.... and pics of these new designs? midnight Jan 2012 #109
+1 sounds good to me - but the corporations want BIG everything wordpix Jan 2012 #119
Bird Mortality Causes. grahampuba Jan 2012 #70
That chart didn't mention loss of habitat- which hedgehog Jan 2012 #93
I believe Audobon is on the wrong side on this issue. Liberty Belle Jan 2012 #85
Save the Eagles got active in part due to frustration that Audobon wasn't protecting birds from wind Liberty Belle Jan 2012 #101
I'm skeptical as well. Liberal Veteran Jan 2012 #11
Goes to show you there is no such thing as "green energy". Everything has its doc03 Jan 2012 #3
+1 Puzzledtraveller Jan 2012 #95
I read a story a few weeks ago about several hundred birds doc03 Jan 2012 #4
same people with the same story... see below certainot Jan 2012 #44
Wind Turbine Deal To Kill Less Birds by Pete Danko, December 16th, 2010 tabatha Jan 2012 #6
This is a bogus change. New turbines are bigger, but they''remeasuring smaller areas for bird kills. Liberty Belle Jan 2012 #9
That is too bad. tabatha Jan 2012 #15
The new turbines turn at much slower speeds. hack89 Jan 2012 #91
Sounds like an attack by oil people on renewable energy. MrSlayer Jan 2012 #10
Yep Survivoreesta Jan 2012 #14
Wrong assumption. Author has a degree in environmental studies and is a strong conservationist Liberty Belle Jan 2012 #17
I only recently heard about mag lev turbines Beartracks Jan 2012 #50
The author is Miriam Raftery. drm604 Jan 2012 #65
Her website, www.writerink.com lists the degree Liberty Belle Jan 2012 #86
"She" according to you, is "You", You wrote that yourself. NYC_SKP May 2013 #130
Too bad they don't have some kind of sound Politicalboi Jan 2012 #13
Are you joking? boppers Jan 2012 #27
I have always thought that. glinda Jan 2012 #52
Jim Wiegand has proposed that as well. He also suggests a sensor Liberty Belle Jan 2012 #87
Videos of birds hitting wind turbines, for the skeptics: Liberty Belle Jan 2012 #16
I am skepty of your link, and what is with the "Climate-gate" vid? Mojeoux Jan 2012 #18
I disagree that saving birds is the organization's one purpose. drm604 Jan 2012 #35
thanks for below. & environmentalists need to know limbaugh practically singlehandedly made "climate certainot Jan 2012 #47
The savetheeagles site makes subtle attacks on green energy and global warming.. DCBob Jan 2012 #81
What about all the millions of birds killed by domestic cats? Odin2005 Jan 2012 #23
Cats don't kill raptors. tabatha Jan 2012 #26
Cats do kill raptors. boppers Jan 2012 #33
Sorry about that. tabatha Jan 2012 #38
and raptors kill cats certainot Jan 2012 #39
OP is about golden eagles. Talking about extinction. boppers Jan 2012 #29
"razor sharp blades"?? izquierdista Jan 2012 #19
That's what caught my eye Bohunk68 Jan 2012 #78
Well, I have googled for more information on this, and I cannot find any. tabatha Jan 2012 #20
Color me skeptical, this sounds like Big Coal propaganda. Odin2005 Jan 2012 #21
WTF about the "take permits"?---kill eagles b/c they're being killed by wind blades? wordpix Jan 2012 #25
A "take permit" quaker bill Jan 2012 #79
independent info on the eagle "take permits" for wind farms - US Fish & Wildlife is doing this Liberty Belle Jan 2012 #105
How odd. drm604 Jan 2012 #30
good job, drm, you're onto something wordpix Jan 2012 #40
There's more. boppers Jan 2012 #41
GrtLakesWindTruth is appealing to boaters & yachters to save the lakes! wordpix Jan 2012 #42
Yea! Who cares about Global Warming! drm604 Jan 2012 #46
LOL - "Hitler, Climategate, and the carbon tax" by Mark Duchamp bananas Jan 2012 #71
I live on Lake Ontario yankeepants Jan 2012 #77
"let's get real..." drm604 Jan 2012 #82
Actually, this confirms my point yankeepants Jan 2012 #115
I live on Lake Ontario also (ok, 10 miles up river) hedgehog Jan 2012 #94
Why have both threats? yankeepants Jan 2012 #116
GrtLakesWindTruth has good footage of a vulture getting whacked (youtube) wordpix Jan 2012 #45
REALLY good work tkmorris Jan 2012 #49
You're welcome. drm604 Jan 2012 #54
Wow, it's like it's a completely phony front organization or something ! eppur_se_muova Jan 2012 #53
Me, too: sleuthing appreciated! ....next generation designs, too dougolat Jan 2012 #61
So what? The registrant is a web design company with MANY registered websites on many topics. Liberty Belle Jan 2012 #83
Since they were nice enough to unlock this for you drm604 Jan 2012 #98
the 2 wind sites don't share a paypal account with Save the Eagles. Liberty Belle Jan 2012 #103
more dots to follow: wcfn.org states biofuels cause deforestation wordpix Jan 2012 #122
This message was self-deleted by its author Royal-T Jan 2012 #31
so if this is a problem Celebration Jan 2012 #32
The glare from solar panels is causing eagles to fly into the turbines. Muskypundit Jan 2012 #34
Yes, and the soot from burning coal would reduce the glare drm604 Jan 2012 #36
even if this wasn't directly from the heritage foundation the challenge is still to minimize certainot Jan 2012 #43
Progress has never been a bargain. You have to pay for it. OmahaBlueDog Jan 2012 #51
I'm very, very sceptical of this post and the integrity of the cause Rotegard Jan 2012 #58
Everytime I see a truck with a blade or a hub come down I-29, I smile OmahaBlueDog Jan 2012 #59
And as Rotegard noted, with adequate site studies impacts can be minimal Strelnikov_ Jan 2012 #62
Wind farms on tribal lands are exempt. Liberty Belle Jan 2012 #107
Exactly. I have some experience with the industry on the consulting side semillama Jan 2012 #126
So who is STEI? EC Jan 2012 #57
Damn. Would never of guessed that. n/t Strelnikov_ Jan 2012 #60
You're right. drm604 Jan 2012 #64
And see post #71 bananas Jan 2012 #72
seems to be headquartered in Spain wordpix Jan 2012 #120
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marcel_Duchamp boppers Jan 2012 #67
I thought the concept was old news - I guess it takes a while saras Jan 2012 #68
No no nooo.... Rex Jan 2012 #74
staged snooper2 Jan 2012 #99
Why is this discredited OP on the DU Home Page? Scuba Jan 2012 #76
I suspect it's automatic Dead_Parrot Jan 2012 #80
And nineteen50 Jan 2012 #88
Unfortunately eagles do get killed occasionally by wind generators Starboard Tack Jan 2012 #90
How did this get by the Environmental Impact Studies? Islandlife Jan 2012 #92
EIRs are regularly ignored. Our area had one that read "severe and unmitigatible fire danger" for a Liberty Belle Jan 2012 #102
EIRs are a waste of money and time if they are used selectively.. Islandlife Jan 2012 #110
that is true; and the co's that write them sometimes have contracts with the state wordpix Jan 2012 #121
Stuff like this that gives Environmentalism a bad name with the general public. MicaelS Jan 2012 #96
"STEI" appears the only source of this information. And it's run by a global warming skeptic. DirkGently Jan 2012 #104
US Fish & Wildlife SErvice confirms a growing number of eagles killed by turbines Liberty Belle Jan 2012 #108
Maybe make the tops of the turbine tower pointed so that the birds don't nest atop them? bigworld Jan 2012 #112
Earlier UK links to subject in general here dipsydoodle Jan 2012 #117
What bullshit! What pug is killing eagles and putting them next to a windmill? lonestarnot Jan 2012 #118
The golden eagle territory ozone_man Jan 2012 #124
They don't nest everywhere - only in areas with rocky crags/crevasses and large trees. Liberty Belle Jan 2012 #128
K&R burrowowl Jan 2012 #125
Has any habitat improvement research been done? Remmah2 Jan 2012 #127
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