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sofa king

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28. I think history will see us all as optimists...

Sun Aug 12, 2012, 11:07 AM

Aug 2012

... at best.

I don't think we can accurately define the problem yet because we have not yet identified and described all of the variables. But it is already clear that there is more than one exponentially increasing variable in the problem for which we have yet to account.

That, I think, is why the problem now grows faster than we can accurately predict. We have created a disaster larger than we can imagine.

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Rate of arctic summer sea ice loss is 50% higher than predicted [View all] Junkdrawer Aug 2012 OP

The hits just keep on a-comin' longship Aug 2012 #1

It is scary! n/t We are Devo Aug 2012 #3

Its interesting that the info.... MzShellG Aug 2012 #21

Scientists are a cautious lot. longship Aug 2012 #24

Not to worry primavera Aug 2012 #27

As you said in another thread, we're into a Cat. 5 Climate Emergency GliderGuider Aug 2012 #2

Time to start looking at Geoengineering... Junkdrawer Aug 2012 #7

I'd rather get used to the idea of change, thanks. GliderGuider Aug 2012 #9

I'm guessing geoengineering will be done. I want environmentalists to have a seat at the table. Junkdrawer Aug 2012 #12

Oh, I have no doubt it will be done. GliderGuider Aug 2012 #14

There is no single right or wrong.... Junkdrawer Aug 2012 #16

I agree. GliderGuider Aug 2012 #17

My kingdom for a time machine. Junkdrawer Aug 2012 #19

I'm sorry, but no, no, and HELL no. AverageJoe90 Aug 2012 #25

In case you think I'm talking completely out of my ass: Jim Hansen's take: Junkdrawer Aug 2012 #26

Never heard of hyperbole, eh? GliderGuider Aug 2012 #29

If the planet's average temp. "only" hits 150F instead of 700F NickB79 Aug 2012 #39

Good point indeed. AverageJoe90 Aug 2012 #42

It seems to me that the time has come to live a life of awe and respect FedUpWithIt All Aug 2012 #38

That feels like the right path to me too. GliderGuider Aug 2012 #40

The same to you. n/t FedUpWithIt All Aug 2012 #41

Here's a prediction that will stick. sofa king Aug 2012 #4

It's going down exponetially XemaSab Aug 2012 #5

Holy crap! n/t We are Devo Aug 2012 #6

There's the potential for a completely ice-free Arctic in September in three to four years. GliderGuider Aug 2012 #10

Three to four? XemaSab Aug 2012 #15

Hey, you know me - an incurable, wild-eyed optimist all the way... nt GliderGuider Aug 2012 #18

I think history will see us all as optimists... sofa king Aug 2012 #28

The fact is, not necessarily. AverageJoe90 Aug 2012 #43

I can't imagine the upheaval when it cause a mass migration of people... Bonhomme Richard Aug 2012 #8

I think that what is now the Sahara was a fertile grassland and the birthplace of Homo Sapiens... Junkdrawer Aug 2012 #11

Let's not get too carried away with the hyperbole now...... AverageJoe90 Aug 2012 #44

Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Aug 2012 #13

I wonder how long Polar Bears will survive. Auntie Bush Aug 2012 #20

Anyone run the passage yet? Historic NY Aug 2012 #22

These guys did it last year... neeksgeek Aug 2012 #23

Wouldn't you know it! jamesatemple Aug 2012 #30

I think we will see open water at the north pole next summer. Odin2005 Aug 2012 #31

After reading posts on Neven's blog, it looks to me like the ice is being eaten from below... Junkdrawer Aug 2012 #32

I am really confused about this from a scientific point of view. Drew Richards Aug 2012 #33

Melting ice currently floating on water doesn't change world water levels.... Junkdrawer Aug 2012 #35

I understand that...I was referring to the increased volume of water that is now in the ocean from Drew Richards Aug 2012 #36

What effects the Artic is going to effect the World lovuian Aug 2012 #34

Capitalism is a religion Hydra Aug 2012 #37