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Mon Oct 16, 2017, 09:59 AM

53. Again, UNESCO can not hand over land anywhere, anytime They do not have that power

It does reflect the UN's position that the area is occupied territory,. ONLY a two state settlement would create different lines and is why the US position under Obama, Bush, Clinton, GHWB has been the 1967 border WITH SWAPS. Clearly, the wall would be part of a land swap. In fact, in the few articulated plans for two states, Jerusalem is either not dealt with and labeled something that needs to be worked out or is treated in some special way to reflect the intense competing interests.

The other alternative - Israel actually annexing the West Bank, as some of the people in Netanyahu's government have called for could change the lines as well. That could have a powerful effect on liberal Zionists as it would throw the two values much further into conflict.

The ONLY thing UNESCO did in the case of the Tomb of Patriarchs is to label the area a UNESCO site - and list it under Palestine - rather than with the 9 sites listed under Israel. It is the city of Hebron (listed before its arabic name incidentally) entire old city. Note that the description DOES state that the tomb is a site of Christian and Jewish pilgrimages. http://whc.unesco.org/en/list/1565 As to Jerusalem, it is listed under Jerusalem (site proposed by Jordan) - and in the very first line says it is a holy city for "Judaism, Christianity, and Islam" , later in the text, it mentions the wall. http://whc.unesco.org/en/list/148 Note the links are from their official site.

Note that the Reagan administration fought UNESCO too and the problem in 2011 was legislation that was written long before that was triggered by UNESCO recognizing Palestine as a country. Even though US policy has officially been a two state solution - through GHWB, Clinton, Bush and Obama, there was intense sensitivity to calling it a state when referring to negotiations, at the UN or in any international entity. This is a function of there having been a 50 year occupation - where for decades the goal has been stated that there will be 2 states. (I think labeling them Palestinian territories might have been wiser.)

Although it is likely a lost cause in your case, go to UNESCO's page. http://en.unesco.org/ Here are things that are prominent on it:

1) The election of a new Director - General, Audrey Azoulay. From Haaretz, you would learn that she is a French Jew, whose father was a well know Moroccan Jewish human rights leader.

2) Look at the "sustainable development goals" - these are good things

3) They designated tomorrow as the international for the eradication of poverty


Click on any of the many efforts that back their goals on education, helping countries deal with climate change and improve water security. The really sad thing is that the US and Israel two very useful countries with the creative, scientific resources would add significantly to these goals.






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