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Response to apnu (Reply #12)

Thu Oct 12, 2017, 01:53 PM

14. John Paul II had significant issues with poverty as well.

It was when I started comparing Francis and Paul II that I discovered Francis isn't so progressive at all. Paul II and Francis are copy-paste on poverty, and you can see it in his writings when he constantly refers back to JP2.

Francis is ALL appearance. He's wearing simple clothes. Not draping himself in velvet and gold and $500 Italian shoes, like Ratzinger did. That is pretty much the sum of the difference when we say 'living what he preaches'.


Would it surprise you if I pointed out that even Ratzinger said Atheism was less of a "danger" than Christians that claim to be Christians but do not live their values?

I am aware of his Jesuit background. This has not changed his mind on social issues like civil rights for same-sex couples. (When he was just a Jesuit and not the Pope, he was frankly horrifying on this point) It hasn't changed his mind on the efficacy of Condoms in combating the AIDS crisis in Africa. Simple demonstrable science. He swims against the current of facts.

Turning the titanic one or two degrees didn't save it either.

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