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politicat

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36. If you're going to doubt optical scanners...
Sun Jul 30, 2017, 03:41 AM
Jul 2017

You need to doubt 50 years of academic testing, everything from the Iowa Test of Basic Skills through the SAT to the GRE and bar exams, CPA exams, actuary exams. Academia has been using -- and securing -- optical scanners since Scantron.

Scanners are airgapped -- they don't have network connections -- and they're secured when not in use. Sure, a scanner can be hacked, the same way a Roomba or an electronic sewing machine can be hacked -- if the hacker is in the same room with it, with a screwdriver. Assuming that hundreds of the county clerks and recorders have all been turned in exactly the same way is multiverse possible, but highly unlikely.

Humans are far less accurate than machines. We make errors between 1 in 10,000 and 1 in 100,000 times. And we make more mistakes when we're tired and under pressure. Machine accuracy (optical scanner) starts at 1 in 100 million.

Certification takes weeks, during which time we count those ballots multiple times, running spot checks for accuracy. There's a reason this takes so long. Get rid of the touch screens, IoT versions, and non-tracking systems - absolutely. They're expensive, failure prone, not secure and they don't do what they promised. But paper ballots and scanners are not the problem here.

Jesus H. Christ. Time to call those Senators again! flibbitygiblets Jul 2017 #1
It would be great to return to paper ballots and black pens. Frustratedlady Jul 2017 #2
It would also be a helluva lot cheaper. stevepal Jul 2017 #8
the budgets for the machines are enormous -- it's another example of taxpayer money being diva77 Jul 2017 #31
yep; TWO repug POTUSs who LOST the popular vote in 16 years? really?? not coincidence. nt TheFrenchRazor Jul 2017 #12
Been on a tear on this since 2000. WinstonSmith4740 Jul 2017 #18
Here's some more information from SC Magazine (Cybersecurity) Best_man23 Jul 2017 #3
Good idea. WinstonSmith4740 Jul 2017 #19
We need to repeat, over and over: "ALL elections must be with paper ballots and MUST be audited" JoeOtterbein Jul 2017 #4
all counted by hand, the first time, IMO. most audits could be defeated. nt TheFrenchRazor Jul 2017 #10
This +1000. Plus, the handcounted paper ballot method has a built in "audit" - diva77 Jul 2017 #24
The Vegas gaming machines go through benld74 Jul 2017 #5
I would love to hack me some slot machines dembotoz Jul 2017 #30
Absolutely True Leith Jul 2017 #49
anyone who can follow detailed instructions bora13 Jul 2017 #6
And certainly no repub SOS such as Kris Kobach would stoop so low. Amaryllis Jul 2017 #14
would somebody show this to Congress? RussBLib Jul 2017 #7
I've wondered for years why Dem leadership has never taken this seriously. They can't all be Amaryllis Jul 2017 #16
me too. makes one go "hmmm...." nt tomp Jul 2017 #42
nooo... i'm shocked... NOT. throw in russian resources and POTUS at stake, and it's guaranteed. nt TheFrenchRazor Jul 2017 #9
Again it's time to call my Sec. Of State Elections and ask what are they going to do about this turbinetree Jul 2017 #11
Yep. Last election was hacked. broadcaster90210 Jul 2017 #13
Yep, I truly believe this LittleGirl Jul 2017 #15
Does America value democracy? SHRED Jul 2017 #17
We ignored it in 2000 when Clint Curtis admitted to altering software so the GOP would win in Ohio judesedit Jul 2017 #20
sadly, if nothing was done after 2000, nothing will probably be done now. nt TheFrenchRazor Jul 2017 #37
K & R BadgerMom Jul 2017 #21
I'm sorry, but 'cracking a machine' is meaningless. yallerdawg Jul 2017 #22
if you voted on a paper ballot, most likely the tabulation was done with optical scanners which diva77 Jul 2017 #23
Of course! It's the "optical scanners" now! yallerdawg Jul 2017 #26
sorry yallerdawg - am not understanding where you stand diva77 Jul 2017 #27
If the goal of the Russians is to discredit American elections... yallerdawg Jul 2017 #29
Regardless of what the Russians' goal was, why should we risk it? We know how to avoid this. Squinch Jul 2017 #32
You don't seem to understand that optically scanned ballots can be audited and verified. Bernardo de La Paz Jul 2017 #43
If you're going to doubt optical scanners... politicat Jul 2017 #36
wow, that's very trusting of you, but not very informed on this subject, IMO. nt TheFrenchRazor Jul 2017 #38
Check out computer expert J. Alex Halderman's testimony in this clip diva77 Jul 2017 #41
the goal is not to discredit our elections; it is to secure them and make them verifiable. who would TheFrenchRazor Jul 2017 #39
Here's how to frame the public "debate" - diva77 Jul 2017 #25
The 2016 election cannot be shown to have been accurately tallied. L. Coyote Jul 2017 #34
I like your version too. Now we need to put heat on Secretaries of State to respond to the DefCon diva77 Jul 2017 #35
that's why i call it "faith-based voting." needless to say, i'm an atheist, and i need to see proof. TheFrenchRazor Jul 2017 #40
DING! DING! DING! Exactly right, Coyote!! ElementaryPenguin Jul 2017 #52
Paper Ballots... Blue Idaho Jul 2017 #28
K & R. 40,000 switched votes flipped the Electoral College. L. Coyote Jul 2017 #33
It blows my mind that those things are actually resold on the open market and not destroyed. TheBlackAdder Jul 2017 #44
This thread is full of people smugly telling us that hacking is unlikely. Right after an election Squinch Jul 2017 #45
i ask myself the same thing; why would anyone be opposed to a paper-based system? nt TheFrenchRazor Jul 2017 #55
there are problems with all-mail voting, sorry to say diva77 Jul 2017 #60
As they have every year for the past umpteen years. Hugin Jul 2017 #46
I know we are not suppose to question the vote jimlup Jul 2017 #47
don't know about this election, but extensive statistical analysis of 2000 election TheFrenchRazor Jul 2017 #56
I've been looking for a reference jimlup Jul 2017 #57
you could check the DU archives for poster named Truth-is-all, or something similar (TIA)?; TheFrenchRazor Jul 2017 #58
here are a couple of links to articles with data diva77 Jul 2017 #59
Republicans Have Been Stealing Elections for Quite Some Time & The Watchdogs Have Been Put to Sleep dlk Jul 2017 #48
No big surprise. 2006 Documentary, Hacking Democracy should have Dark n Stormy Knight Jul 2017 #50
Yes these issues have been known for at least 10 years FakeNoose Jul 2017 #53
"The GOP can't win unless they cheat." I just said those exact words to my mom this morning! Dark n Stormy Knight Jul 2017 #54
Wake up, Federal and State voting authorities! You are placing our democracy into clear Nitram Jul 2017 #51
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