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That Guy 888

(1,214 posts)
276. More right than wrong.
Tue Jun 13, 2017, 05:57 AM
Jun 2017

"I didn't say unite exclusively behind candidates who are eligible for Social Security."

My point about the age of the Democratic Leadership isn't their social security status. It was for two reasons: 1) They aren't that much younger - or only two years older in the case of Representative Pelosi than Senator Sanders; and 2) They are influenced by the times they lived in. To clarify what I mean by the second point, I'll use an excerpt from Alan Dershowitz threatening to leave the Democratic Party if Keith Ellison were elected Chairperson:

"

The DNC has a momentous choice this weekend. It can move the party in the direction of Jeremy Corbyn’s labor party in England, in the hope of attracting Jill Stein Green Party voters and millennials who stayed home. In doing so they would be giving up on any attempt to recapture the working class and rust-belt voters in the mid-western states that turned the Electoral College over to Donald Trump.

Jeremy Corbyn today could not get elected dog catcher in Great Britain. I do not want to see the Democratic Party relegated to permanent minority status as a hard-left fringe.

Remember what happened when the Democrats moved left by nominating George McGovern, Walter Mondale and Michael Dukakis — all good men. The total combined electoral votes for these candidates would not have won a single election. There is no reason to think the country has moved so far to the left since those days that the Democrats can win by pushing even further in the direction of the hard left. The self-destructive election of Keith Ellison will be hard to undo for many years.

So, tomorrow, the Democrats must choose between electing Ellison or keeping centrist liberals...
"

Hindsight being 20/20 we have the benefit of seeing Labour under Corbin begin to reverse the massive electoral loses brought about by "New Labour" - the UK's adaptation of Third Way politics.



"And just WHAT leadership did I specify to unite behind? Please remind me?"

Ok: " Yes, shame on Hillary, Obama, Schumer and Pelosi

It was despicable of them to declare their allegiance, and tie the Democratic Party's future to "Wall Street, or the fossil fuel industry, or the drug companies." Right. "


If I completely misread your post title and first two sentences as sarcasm I apologize.


"But new or old, NOT Republican-style nose-in-the-air, my way or the highway tactics."

That's how a lot of the posts in this thread sound to me. It's also how much of the Democratic Party Leadership sounds to me. They say that the party platform doesn't matter, but fight tooth and nail to keep anti-fracking language out. They say who Chairs the DNC doesn't matter and then fought harder than I've seen them fight in a looong time to make sure Tom Perez became Chair. Since the 2016 election I've seen the Democratic Party Leadership fight the so-called "hard left" (a term some of them use) harder and more effectively than they've fought the GOP since I could vote. I wouldn't mind if they were winning so many elections that I was sick of winning - but it's been the opposite of that.
it's republicans who are standing in the way of the minimum wage . and Obama was right about TPP JI7 Jun 2017 #1
This message was self-deleted by its author DFW Jun 2017 #6
I agree with you 1000% n/t MBS Jun 2017 #39
Obama had his chance to shape the TPP into a truly progressive agreement, but failed. appal_jack Jun 2017 #82
Obama supported the Paris accord. tpp means less power against China JI7 Jun 2017 #84
We agree that Trump is trash & China labor standards are awful. appal_jack Jun 2017 #86
lol. people who voted for trump don't care for environmental standards JI7 Jun 2017 #88
President Obama was Absolutley right about tpp.. Cha Jun 2017 #251
Anything done in secret is no good... Trial_By_Fire Jun 2017 #91
OOps, what was I thinking, I better not respond to you at all. Eliot Rosewater Jun 2017 #135
That's the way I see it too Progressive dog Jun 2017 #121
If Sanders is so concerned, maybe he should join the party. Doodley Jun 2017 #2
It's far more imiportant stevepal Jun 2017 #9
he needs to stop critizing democrats once and for all. trueblue2007 Jun 2017 #13
conflict makes us bigger NJCher Jun 2017 #27
Agreed. He needs to focus on Trump and company. Doodley Jun 2017 #134
yup, guy needs to shut up already onetexan Jun 2017 #195
Did Bernie talk about the problem of vote suppression in his speech? Demit Jun 2017 #15
Has the Democratic Party done anything about voter suppression in the last 20 years? That Guy 888 Jun 2017 #94
Actually they have tried and of course it was a priority of Hillary's campaign platform.. mhw Jun 2017 #113
Like her 50 State Strategy? That Guy 888 Jun 2017 #218
Yes they have- tons of court cases against Crosscheck, loads of voter registration.... bettyellen Jun 2017 #128
stevepal was talking about Bernie & what Bernie says the Democrats should be doing. Demit Jun 2017 #141
Sounds like he's found his leader. Igel Jun 2017 #210
If Bernie Sanders had run as an independent, Clinton supporters would be attacking him like Stein. That Guy 888 Jun 2017 #216
I pretend concern and analysis is simply whining as well... LanternWaste Jun 2017 #223
Congrats on finding something that works for YOU. That Guy 888 Jun 2017 #225
Of Course, He'd Be Running Against The Dem Candidate Me. Jun 2017 #235
Voter suppression to me isn't a smug talking point for interparty warfare. That Guy 888 Jun 2017 #232
You should start your own thread, instead of trying to change the subject on this one. Demit Jun 2017 #243
Hijacking the thread was talking about Sanders joining the Democratic Party... That Guy 888 Jun 2017 #246
a wonderfully creative way to avoid answering a direct question with a direct answer. LanternWaste Jun 2017 #222
Ok answer the question, what has the Democratic Party done about voter suppression? That Guy 888 Jun 2017 #224
Does BS ever mention Voter Suppression? Cha Jun 2017 #252
Yes. QC Jun 2017 #261
He has no reason to Insult the Democratic Party who Cha Jun 2017 #264
+ 1 musette_sf Jun 2017 #270
It is clear as can be what is going on, who is working with who and who has NO Eliot Rosewater Jun 2017 #136
I know exactly what you mean. They have lost election after election and don't want to change That Guy 888 Jun 2017 #228
Uh huh, yeah, you betcha! Eliot Rosewater Jun 2017 #231
Your Message Is Clear Me. Jun 2017 #233
Just stop obamanut2012 Jun 2017 #21
Exactly. Thank you. PotatoChip Jun 2017 #30
If you think the status quo is ok go with the Democratic Party on this issue. Dustlawyer Jun 2017 #37
Bernie hasn't discussed voter supression BainsBane Jun 2017 #61
Gee, imagine that. I cant say more. Eliot Rosewater Jun 2017 #137
One of his biggest mistakes. In my view. guillaumeb Jun 2017 #201
Wrong. Just search 'Senator Sanders voter suppression 2017' Trial_By_Fire Jun 2017 #203
Facts.. disillusioned73 Jun 2017 #239
Wrong.. there's no talk at these "Insulting the Democratic Cha Jun 2017 #257
Don't let facts get into the way of 'your' beliefs... Trial_By_Fire Jun 2017 #260
When BS insults the Democratic Party with "an absolute failure" Cha Jun 2017 #263
Well, please provide Sanders and all other politicians with a list of words you require them to say. Trial_By_Fire Jun 2017 #265
Well, except for here -- QC Jun 2017 #205
Oops. How awkward. beam me up scottie Jun 2017 #207
Wait...there's more! QC Jun 2017 #215
Oh snap... disillusioned73 Jun 2017 #240
Join hin in what? This article doesn't even address what you say is the biggest problem pnwmom Jun 2017 #110
Let Me Guess Me. Jun 2017 #112
well, if such a thing exists it is part of a much bigger group, i cant say who though Eliot Rosewater Jun 2017 #140
Quite Agree About It Being A Part Of A Much Bigger Group Me. Jun 2017 #144
I wont be here much longer, my insistence on supporting the DEMOCRATIC party Eliot Rosewater Jun 2017 #146
+10000 nt brer cat Jun 2017 #185
I think there is a conversation being stifled here that needs to be heard. There is going to be seaglass Jun 2017 #192
Join a lawmaker who refuses to be a Democrat? Doodley Jun 2017 #133
So, when did Bernie become the lead on voting machines and voter suppression? ehrnst Jun 2017 #152
Here he is discussing it with Rachel Maddow in 2012. QC Jun 2017 #266
Four years ago... anything lately? (nt) ehrnst Jun 2017 #277
Yes, actually. QC Jun 2017 #278
OK. Talking about it is one thing. Leading is another thing entirely ehrnst Jun 2017 #279
Those are all worthy endeavors, but let's be honest about what's happening here. QC Jun 2017 #282
Re-read my first response to you, it's about him being a 'leader' in the fight against voter ehrnst Jun 2017 #283
agreed, about the last part anyway. nt TheFrenchRazor Jun 2017 #244
And help Dems win elections! ananda Jun 2017 #23
Uh huh, like that corp dem Hillary, right? You know the one I am talking about, right? Eliot Rosewater Jun 2017 #142
Yeah, that platform that HRC ran on was SO centrist... ehrnst Jun 2017 #153
Yep DownriverDem Jun 2017 #52
DON'T LET THIS DEVOLVE INTO THE BERNIE DEBATE AGAIN LakeArenal Jun 2017 #101
+ 1 musette_sf Jun 2017 #227
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Oh come now. Pure hyperbole. KPN Jun 2017 #28
How dare I BainsBane Jun 2017 #32
I dont think you were doing hyperbole at all, if we know one thing from last year it is Eliot Rosewater Jun 2017 #143
+1 betsuni Jun 2017 #34
Wake up DownriverDem Jun 2017 #53
Read the OP BainsBane Jun 2017 #59
Bernie knows that winning requires more than just anti-Trumpism. nt appal_jack Jun 2017 #93
Hillary didnt do anti trumpism only and if you think she did you were not paying attention Eliot Rosewater Jun 2017 #145
But Bernie lost SecularMotion Jun 2017 #149
Yeah. I remember that, too. (nt) ehrnst Jun 2017 #156
This message was self-deleted by its author ehrnst Jun 2017 #154
Does BS ever mention Voter Suppression? Cha Jun 2017 #253
Yes. QC Jun 2017 #262
I believe that he has. appal_jack Jun 2017 #273
Then what happened with Bob Quist, Heath Mello, Cha Jun 2017 #259
They were failed candidacies. The larger point still stands. nt appal_jack Jun 2017 #274
No it doesn't. Cha Jun 2017 #275
Hey, Bernie... Mike Nelson Jun 2017 #4
And Bernie is a Democrat? No? RandySF Jun 2017 #5
Yes, shame on Hillary, Obama, Schumer and Pelosi DFW Jun 2017 #7
+1! eom BlueMTexpat Jun 2017 #11
+1000 (nt) ehrnst Jun 2017 #151
While we shouldn't "lose sight of who our adversaries are" there is a unity problem. That Guy 888 Jun 2017 #237
Well, partly right and partly wrong DFW Jun 2017 #250
More right than wrong. That Guy 888 Jun 2017 #276
And yet LSFL Jun 2017 #8
His support for Rob Quist BlueMTexpat Jun 2017 #10
No need for you to be ashamed LSFL Jun 2017 #12
The majority of MT Republicans BlueMTexpat Jun 2017 #58
The problem is the insane cost of financing national campaigns. Big money is WinkyDink Jun 2017 #14
Big money didn't help Hillary It might have worked against her. bahrbearian Jun 2017 #55
It certainly helped Bernie. BainsBane Jun 2017 #64
Must have been his Wallstreet Speechs, and $30,000 fund raisers bahrbearian Jun 2017 #66
more like BainsBane Jun 2017 #69
Interesting excerpt from one of your articles: ronnie624 Jun 2017 #78
Only it isn't entirely true BainsBane Jun 2017 #118
I know who you're hinting about, and neither of those assisted his/her campaign. George II Jun 2017 #130
How would we know? ehrnst Jun 2017 #157
Maybe we should look closer at his fundraising methods Bradical79 Jun 2017 #87
Impressive, maybe, but certainly inconsistent with "the message". George II Jun 2017 #167
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Broken record alert...why not stick with bashing the repug party for a change? Duh! brush Jun 2017 #17
+1 dalton99a Jun 2017 #25
+1 betsuni Jun 2017 #33
+1 n/t MBS Jun 2017 #40
+ a million or so! eom BlueMTexpat Jun 2017 #60
Thank God He Isn't Trying To Help Ossoff Me. Jun 2017 #120
+ 1 musette_sf Jun 2017 #230
Yes, I guess Ossoff can be grateful after all that he got damned with faint praise. (nt) ehrnst Jun 2017 #280
I happen to think that turning our back on the largest consumer market (Asia) was very foolish. Trust Buster Jun 2017 #18
What are you saying? watoos Jun 2017 #20
I never mentioned Hillary. This thread is about Sander's and his comments. Trust Buster Jun 2017 #22
Our workers are paying a heavy price already regardless. KPN Jun 2017 #29
American workers are exponentially more affluent than most around the world BainsBane Jun 2017 #57
All good points Phoenix61 Jun 2017 #79
Actually, we are already witnessing the decline in export possibilities because of turning away from BainsBane Jun 2017 #50
I agree. The voters that Trump attracted ignored the calls since the 80's that a high school Trust Buster Jun 2017 #65
I'd wager that tRump was against the TPP because Obama was for it. gtar100 Jun 2017 #138
+ a bunch. Treating foreign workers like scabs was wrong. Some of the TPP rhetoric hurt Clinton too. Hoyt Jun 2017 #166
Keep whistling past the graveyard folks watoos Jun 2017 #19
AMEN. crim son Jun 2017 #24
Because the winning strategy is to tell voters that the Democratic Party is worthless BainsBane Jun 2017 #45
Did you listen to all of Bernie's speech? watoos Jun 2017 #71
the article is about his comments on Democrats BainsBane Jun 2017 #103
bernie isn't calling for impeachment either . maxine waters is JI7 Jun 2017 #107
True. Wonder why he only bad mouths the strongest Dems ? mhw Jun 2017 #115
Bernie has insisted Democrats not "politicize" the Russia issue BainsBane Jun 2017 #125
These 3 Are Dems Me. Jun 2017 #234
We've lost the house the senate the supreme court Voltaire2 Jun 2017 #26
And Bernie is batting zero BainsBane Jun 2017 #43
And that is the bottom fucking line right there. JTFrog Jun 2017 #49
Watch the Virginia gov. primary Tuesday spooky3 Jun 2017 #177
and the reasons for that are fairly complicated, and not surprising. Its not like it isn't an uphill JCanete Jun 2017 #190
The Democrats didn't "lose" the Supreme Court. GoCubsGo Jun 2017 #191
Whatever. The party is losing a lot. Let's not change. It Voltaire2 Jun 2017 #208
That's a Myth.. Hillary won the Working People. Cha Jun 2017 #258
"it needs to open up its doors to working people, and young people, and older people betsuni Jun 2017 #31
Thirty five years in DC BainsBane Jun 2017 #36
Really. Where's he been for the last ++++ years? mhw Jun 2017 #116
Funny how I've been part of those demographics all my WhiteTara Jun 2017 #158
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+1 BainsBane Jun 2017 #38
+1 betsuni Jun 2017 #41
"careless divisiveness" MBS Jun 2017 #42
Sanders wrote a book and received $800,000 advance. Hardly netted himself 'million$' Trial_By_Fire Jun 2017 #92
+1 brer cat Jun 2017 #186
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and you voted for him BainsBane Jun 2017 #47
Yes I did Botany Jun 2017 #48
Here: mhw Jun 2017 #81
Sanders did not grab DNC voter data... Trial_By_Fire Jun 2017 #95
With his own hands? No. But one of his workers did, and that's a fact. nt Hekate Jun 2017 #209
+ a million. mhw Jun 2017 #56
And it took the republicans to weaponize the stolen data too. Botany Jun 2017 #68
Are you blaming Sanders for Clinton's loss???? Trial_By_Fire Jun 2017 #96
At least a big contributor as spoilers always are. JTFrog Jun 2017 #162
Blaming others is not a good thing... Trial_By_Fire Jun 2017 #180
First and foremost: Hillary won by 3,000,000 votes over Trump. She WON. Despite Putin, Comey, ... Hekate Jun 2017 #211
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Your accusations are unfounded... Trial_By_Fire Jun 2017 #108
Are you blaming Sanders for the DNC hack? Trial_By_Fire Jun 2017 #97
Did i say that? NO. Did you assume that's what I said? mhw Jun 2017 #105
Is that why he had to fire one of his staffers over it? JTFrog Jun 2017 #126
Sanders or his campaign did not take any DNC-Clinton data... Trial_By_Fire Jun 2017 #132
25 searches under 4 accounts and the data saved to Sanders campaign account. JTFrog Jun 2017 #155
So says the DNC... Trial_By_Fire Jun 2017 #179
You mean the DNC that has enabled Sanders for the past 25 years? JTFrog Jun 2017 #182
Your post makes no sense... Trial_By_Fire Jun 2017 #184
Bernie asked the DNC to recommend an IT guy that knew Vote Builder Omaha Steve Jun 2017 #213
Excdllent Points Me. Jun 2017 #127
And then sued the DNC. ucrdem Jun 2017 #160
Indeed. nt JTFrog Jun 2017 #161
The irony is that Democratic measures to "open up its doors" benefited his campaign. ucrdem Jun 2017 #169
Democratic party favoritism and a rigged system has kept Bernie Sanders in Washington for the last JTFrog Jun 2017 #170
He has a funny way of showing gratitude. ucrdem Jun 2017 #173
I agree with Bernie, for the most part. theophilus Jun 2017 #51
If HRC had become president, there would have been a chance of pushing the Democratic Party left. athena Jun 2017 #70
You know, Whenever People Get Insulting Me. Jun 2017 #178
The Koch-funded Third Way corporatist mentality was designed to water down the Democratic Party. TheBlackAdder Jun 2017 #54
When have the Kochs funded the Democratic Party? BainsBane Jun 2017 #62
Primarily banksters. Third Way is a Leo-Liberal Think Tank. Let's see what that definiton means. TheBlackAdder Jun 2017 #75
Neoprogressive Is Attacking Liberals and Progressives from the Left... TomCADem Jun 2017 #172
"Neoprogressive"... huh? disillusioned73 Jun 2017 #241
It's a right wing talking point that has shown up here, QC Jun 2017 #268
Thanks.. disillusioned73 Jun 2017 #285
If you actually believe that brer cat Jun 2017 #189
time to join the Democratic party bernie. stonecutter357 Jun 2017 #67
Just my opinion watoos Jun 2017 #72
What universe are you living in? athena Jun 2017 #212
The NYT has editorial columns running today about the perilous Democratic split. Paladin Jun 2017 #73
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Thank you. Who really made BS a political somebody? mhw Jun 2017 #80
Sanders is for the People - not trying to sink anything... Trial_By_Fire Jun 2017 #98
unless you live in a red state then not so mutch. stonecutter357 Jun 2017 #117
Sanders is for all people - red, blue, and purple.... Trial_By_Fire Jun 2017 #124
Has any Bernie approved candidate won? tammywammy Jun 2017 #77
Not to my knowledge. Even Zephyre Teachout lost in 2016. She should have won it too. mhw Jun 2017 #83
He "hails the successes of the progressive agenda" but his candidates aren't winning seats. tammywammy Jun 2017 #89
The excuse given is that he doesn't control the national party BainsBane Jun 2017 #131
Yes. Pramila Jayapal won to represent WA state's 7th district. suffragette Jun 2017 #187
Does the answer to this question provide any additional insights... NurseJackie Jun 2017 #219
Seems like generic platitudes to me vlyons Jun 2017 #85
Sanders is absolutely correct... Trial_By_Fire Jun 2017 #90
Is fracturing the party he's not even officially part of awesomerwb1 Jun 2017 #99
FBI investigating Bernie Sanders' wife Jane Sanders for bank fraud TomCADem Jun 2017 #174
The FBI doesn't confirm or deny their investigations... Trial_By_Fire Jun 2017 #181
And the source is Tucker Carlson lol. n/t QC Jun 2017 #202
Unless the subject is Hillary Clinton. Then they make an exception. StevieM Jun 2017 #217
I am so over him. n/t radical noodle Jun 2017 #100
what else would translate into votes in a non-presidential year? yurbud Jun 2017 #102
Really a non-Democrat trying to dictate terms... Historic NY Jun 2017 #104
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Hey Bernie, hows that democratic socialist party doing? Fresh_Start Jun 2017 #109
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If I were running for office, I wouldn't want WhiteTara Jun 2017 #114
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Sanders chose ideology over practical--screw him Julian Englis Jun 2017 #119
I Don't Know About Purity Me. Jun 2017 #129
Exactly renegade000 Jun 2017 #159
could have been done decades ago had he chosen to represent his state differently. Money isn't hard JCanete Jun 2017 #183
Me Too Me. Jun 2017 #196
so you chose not to acknowledge that he hasn't capitalized on his status in all of this time, and JCanete Jun 2017 #197
I Do Me. Jun 2017 #198
that characterization does not match my own. The democratic party "let" him use the appratus JCanete Jun 2017 #199
I'm Under The Impression That Many Of His Supporters Were Indies Me. Jun 2017 #200
Putin loves when Sanders is bashed... Trial_By_Fire Jun 2017 #123
"establishment Democrats"? What Mr. Sanders is doing is telling everyone who supported Hillary is still_one Jun 2017 #139
+1 Mosby Jun 2017 #148
If Sanders were posting here, they would be deleted for refighting the primaries. Hoyt Jun 2017 #168
Hillary's posts would too by the looks of things. mhw Jun 2017 #188
My post WAS NOT about the primaries. It was about the general election, still_one Jun 2017 #204
+ 1 musette_sf Jun 2017 #269
How can he work for the DNC and say these things? Seems hypocritical at best. bettyellen Jun 2017 #147
The entire premise of that article is false. George II Jun 2017 #150
The way I see it, is this OP certainly lets Dems see once and for all where Bernie stands... Hekate Jun 2017 #163
While I embrace many progressive ideals, I am very much over Guilded Lilly Jun 2017 #164
Well he has a right to push his views and their certainly is an audience for his vision. hrmjustin Jun 2017 #165
Can He Count? Someone Tell This Idiot That Republicans Are In the Majority TomCADem Jun 2017 #171
he is a problem moda253 Jun 2017 #175
Time would be better spent attacking REPUBLICANS Thrill Jun 2017 #176
I 100% support TPP AlexSFCA Jun 2017 #193
Wake me when Sanders joins the party. apcalc Jun 2017 #194
It seems that Sanders lapucelle Jun 2017 #206
If the Democratic Party is working so well Nevernose Jun 2017 #214
It could be.... moda253 Jun 2017 #220
Much of that is true Nevernose Jun 2017 #221
Great post! musette_sf Jun 2017 #229
Wow Me. Jun 2017 #242
If the Democratic Party is a failure Blue_Tires Jun 2017 #247
Russia, Comey, 3rd party Liars, stein and sarandon, Cha Jun 2017 #248
That might explain Hillary Nevernose Jun 2017 #267
Explain Feingold...who is the epitome of 'pure'. Demsrule86 Jun 2017 #281
I never used the word pure and think looking for purity is dumb Nevernose Jun 2017 #284
We didn't win last year... I don't think getting the activist base all riled up by criticizing Demsrule86 Jun 2017 #286
Why is this LBN? It would be LBN if Bernie actually said something nice about the Democratic party still_one Jun 2017 #226
Good One Me. Jun 2017 #236
Yeah, if he actually acknowledged what Cha Jun 2017 #249
I'm so sick of him. nini Jun 2017 #238
Timing enid602 Jun 2017 #245
And where is Tad Devine these days Chevy Jun 2017 #254
Bern enid602 Jun 2017 #256
The Democratic Party is out there on the front lines Cha Jun 2017 #255
+ 1 - preach! musette_sf Jun 2017 #271
Aloha, musette! Cha Jun 2017 #272
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