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Swede Atlanta

(3,596 posts)
49. In one respect I agree with him.....
Tue Jul 10, 2012, 12:50 PM
Jul 2012

At some point in this country we are going to have to accept the notion that healthcare must be rationed. There is only so much healthcare to go around and so many resources we can spend. Advances in medicine and technology enable us to treat and keep people alive much longer than before.

Today that rationing is done either by ability to pay (if you are without insurance) or by who insurers will insure, what they will cover, annual and lifetime caps, etc. The issue of who will be insured, minimum amount to be covered and elimination of caps are part of the ACA.

All of that is good. But at the same time, if someone is diagnosed with a terminal disease or is so badly damaged in an accident that their chances of survival and recovery are extremely remote, can we afford to spend precious healthcare resources on these cases? Or should these cases be treated with palliative care?

None of us want to discuss this but this is the elephant in the room. Do we spend potentially tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars to keep grandma alive with machines and expensive drugs, etc. even if that is only likely to extend her life a few weeks or months? Or should we be a compassionate people, keep her comfortable, and let she and her family have some quality of time together?

These same Republicans, however, that want to deny someone with cancer, healthcare, are the same ones that would deny someone the right to die with dignity and who would try to keep mom alive regardless of the cost.


Gee I hope he doesn't get a brain tumor. LoisB Jul 2012 #1
Not to worry, his health insurance is very good JustABozoOnThisBus Jul 2012 #6
his insurance is government regulated, government provided, akin to the ACA model CreekDog Jul 2012 #74
His Brain Is A Tumor, Ma'am.... The Magistrate Jul 2012 #21
Excellent! dixiegrrrrl Jul 2012 #35
I used to not wish these asshats ill, but catbyte Jul 2012 #30
Damn, how can you NOT wish these killers ill? Because they ARE killers. Their policies KILL. nt valerief Jul 2012 #42
It would be Ayn Rand "all over again!" hue Jul 2012 #47
Hard to disagree. After all, these pathetic ChairmanAgnostic Jul 2012 #53
I know it is wrong... awoke_in_2003 Jul 2012 #31
He obviosily already has one. smirkymonkey Jul 2012 #118
So the GOP solution is to let the near-bankrupt states pay for such sinkingfeeling Jul 2012 #2
Without reading the story ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2012 #3
Dreier is not at risk of a brain tumour, as he doesn't possess the relevant organ. LeftishBrit Jul 2012 #7
Maybe he will come down with mouth tumor -- n/t mazzarro Jul 2012 #18
His mouth prob is apparent... hue Jul 2012 #50
For him christx30 Jul 2012 #86
You are correct sir! geardaddy Jul 2012 #9
Well he EARNED his health care insurance, funded by taxpayers, doncha know? SammyWinstonJack Jul 2012 #80
CORRECT Skittles Jul 2012 #93
Dreier IS a brain tumor... lastlib Jul 2012 #4
Evil pure evil LeftishBrit Jul 2012 #5
These people are so used to making money off of the misery of others. siligut Jul 2012 #8
Privatize the profits, socialize the costs. drm604 Jul 2012 #10
According to his Wiki page, he's a Christian Scientist geardaddy Jul 2012 #11
So you gotta ask -- WTH does he have health insurance at all? nt Nay Jul 2012 #84
Yep. geardaddy Jul 2012 #85
And this, folks, is why WOO KILLS. Odin2005 Jul 2012 #111
Ayup! geardaddy Jul 2012 #113
the only way for any pools to work is if you mix high risk and low risk together. ejpoeta Jul 2012 #12
+1 VERY irresponsible/stupid of Dreier to say state should take on the burden of high risk only pool wordpix Jul 2012 #94
I believe only perfectly healthy people should be covered. Liberal Veteran Jul 2012 #13
that's the R way, pay forever & never get covered for anything wordpix Jul 2012 #95
Typical GOP response. AngryOldDem Jul 2012 #14
This, right here is what is wrong with not only republicans, but the US healthcare system.. truebrit71 Jul 2012 #15
You are entirely too charitable. Jackpine Radical Jul 2012 #46
Haha! I'm totally with Ya' on that!! n/t hue Jul 2012 #58
Your comments got me to thinking about why people willingly vote against their interests. AdHocSolver Jul 2012 #88
+1 AngryOldDem Jul 2012 #116
He says he is a Christian Scientist too. siligut Jul 2012 #16
Exactly. geardaddy Jul 2012 #24
This politician's comment would make a great ad for why people should NOT vote Republican. AdHocSolver Jul 2012 #17
I know this from experience. 4lbs Jul 2012 #19
I'm in a high-risk pool in Minnesota. geardaddy Jul 2012 #27
It's all about the profit zipplewrath Jul 2012 #32
Just like Alan Grayson said LittleGirl Jul 2012 #20
How much does this guy pay for his health insurance? I am guessing zero. And humblebum Jul 2012 #22
WTF permatex Jul 2012 #23
Talk about death panels! nt avebury Jul 2012 #25
ooh, i think i agree with him, BUT isn't pansypoo53219 Jul 2012 #26
So all those years of paying evilhime Jul 2012 #28
That's my representative! Kablooie Jul 2012 #29
dryer is no moderate. still_one Jul 2012 #37
Hey, I've never seen that website. Very informative. Thanks. Kablooie Jul 2012 #52
No problem we are all here for each other. /nt still_one Jul 2012 #98
High-risk health care in my state catrose Jul 2012 #39
It's certainly no replacement for the ACA system. Kablooie Jul 2012 #51
You all know what the one thing is that gets people through the greatest of horrors is? patrice Jul 2012 #33
People with brain tumours don't have 6 months to wait to get into the state high risk pool riderinthestorm Jul 2012 #34
The real Republican health care: Let them die. Quickly. CanonRay Jul 2012 #36
Dreier is also a pro-offshore-outsourcer and a pro-Laissez-failist. HughBeaumont Jul 2012 #38
This was my son Ian demwing Jul 2012 #40
I am so sorry for your loss, demwing. tandot Jul 2012 #48
My condolences on the loss of your beautiful child. kimbutgar Jul 2012 #54
My sincere sympathies. Thank you for sharing Ian's story. Raster Jul 2012 #55
I am so sorry for your lose. You know you should send a picture of this lovely and ask southernyankeebelle Jul 2012 #59
My sympathy goes to you, demwing. JDPriestly Jul 2012 #66
My heart goes out to you qanda Jul 2012 #76
I'm so sorry for your loss and what your beautiful child had to suffer through. alphafemale Jul 2012 #83
Health care is not an academic debate demwing Jul 2012 #92
As the mother of a dialysis / transplant patient, I couldn't agree with you more. Justitia Jul 2012 #99
as the daughter of an advanced Alzheimer's patient, +10000 wordpix Jul 2012 #105
So sorry for your loss DW geardaddy Jul 2012 #114
. Skittles Jul 2012 #101
so sorry for your loss. barbtries Jul 2012 #103
so sorry, and I'd love for you to confront Dreier with these photos wordpix Jul 2012 #104
!!!!!!!!! Odin2005 Jul 2012 #112
Someone, give that man a brain tumor and see if he changes his mind! nt valerief Jul 2012 #41
The solution to health care reform is to immediately cut health care TBF Jul 2012 #43
That 'pool' xxqqqzme Jul 2012 #44
What a sick, no sadistic bastard. liberal N proud Jul 2012 #45
In one respect I agree with him..... Swede Atlanta Jul 2012 #49
these decisions should NOT be made by insurance reps, politicians, or CEOs of hospitals. hue Jul 2012 #57
Hue, I agree...... Swede Atlanta Jul 2012 #60
You are falling for a Republican lie. We don't do what you describe. JDPriestly Jul 2012 #69
If you were 85 years old wickerwoman Jul 2012 #100
If we take the profit out of it, the costs would drop sharply, and that would. jtuck004 Jul 2012 #62
We spend whatever it takes to kill people in wars in countries in . JDPriestly Jul 2012 #67
Rep. David Dreier (R-CA) is scum. Lint Head Jul 2012 #56
TG, he's retiring this year! shanti Jul 2012 #107
He'll probably end up as a lobbiest for the Health Care Insurance Industry. Lint Head Jul 2012 #109
The GOP house is still trying to repeal ACA Iliyah Jul 2012 #61
he's a one-man death panel Enrique Jul 2012 #63
Monster. ellie Jul 2012 #64
David Dreier, the walking death panel. JDPriestly Jul 2012 #65
I'm thinking this asshole has a brain tumor.... LynneSin Jul 2012 #68
.... maddezmom Jul 2012 #70
A pox on this malignant growth who Smilo Jul 2012 #71
My neice had cancer when she was 2 ... this ass would have let her die. JoePhilly Jul 2012 #72
GOP is fixated on owning vaginae, but after birth they don't give a RKP5637 Jul 2012 #77
Surprised he didn't claim that Trillo Jul 2012 #73
Well, what else is he going to say? Quantess Jul 2012 #75
He Will Probably Get Re Elected TheMastersNemesis Jul 2012 #78
he's retiring this year n/t shanti Jul 2012 #108
VILE! What is wrong with these people? SammyWinstonJack Jul 2012 #79
What a sad state of affairs. Steerpike Jul 2012 #81
Someone who believes this Third Doctor Jul 2012 #82
This message was self-deleted by its author elbloggoZY27 Jul 2012 #87
I don't think anyone w/ his head up his butt should be elected to office MissMillie Jul 2012 #89
An extreme example has been use here. dipsydoodle Jul 2012 #90
If you are not 100% against what Drier said, you are relegating this man to no treatment whatsoever CreekDog Jul 2012 #97
If you knew me well enough dipsydoodle Jul 2012 #102
"health care" is pretty generic SnakeEyes Jul 2012 #91
Kick! n/t Tx4obama Jul 2012 #96
I guess he's assuming that Brad W Smith won't develop a brain tumor Tom Ripley Jul 2012 #106
This guy is the definition of asshole. Odin2005 Jul 2012 #110
a one man death panel yurbud Jul 2012 #115
My sister died of a fatal brain tumor. Manifestor_of_Light Jul 2012 #117
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