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PavePusher

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91. Just for the record, such a matching may not be possible/available.
Fri Jun 29, 2012, 09:40 PM
Jun 2012

As has been noted in the Gun Control & RKBA forum, ballistic forensics are not well known for solving crimes anywhere but fictional entertainment. This is why "ballistics databases" are essentially worthless, and have no effective track record in crime-solving.

Assuming most of the bullet mass was recovered, you could probably determine size/caliber and construction, possibly match it against ammo left in the guns or casings at scene, and even likely eliminate various guns on-scene. But unless the bullet was almost entirely non-deformed (and after passing through a body and possibly a vest, that would be unlikely), an exact match to a particular weapon is almost impossible.

You can make a case of probability, and sometimes even very high probability. I too would like to see that evidence, but I doubt we ever will.

re: The truth about the Fast and Furious scandal allan01 Jun 2012 #1
In other words, the truth about the scandal is.......... PDJane Jun 2012 #2
the attitude of the U.S. Attorney office in Pheonix seems the heart of the problem . . . goodhue Jun 2012 #4
Thanks, goodhue. Somehow this rings true. JDPriestly Jun 2012 #19
Who was supposed to brief Burke? snot Jun 2012 #21
good question goodhue Jun 2012 #22
Burke called Grassley's staff "Stooges for the Gun Lobby" for Fast & Furious probe: article wordpix Jul 2012 #118
The NRA need to go clang1 Jun 2012 #81
Hurley was reassigned in 2011 wordpix Jul 2012 #117
Kand R for the NRA crowd Kingofalldems Jun 2012 #18
Good find, and thanks for posting. Far too many right wingers and even some here have criticized ATF Hoyt Jun 2012 #3
"you don't stop valuable work just because some..." PavePusher Jun 2012 #10
Thanks for your support. Hoyt Jun 2012 #11
There is some question as to whether the gun that killed the border patrol guard JDPriestly Jun 2012 #20
Only the published news reports. PavePusher Jun 2012 #29
As I said, you need some forensic evidence about the bullet. Guns could JDPriestly Jun 2012 #90
Just for the record, such a matching may not be possible/available. PavePusher Jun 2012 #91
Without it and without witnesses????? JDPriestly Jun 2012 #92
Uh, not sure what you're asking there. n/t PavePusher Jun 2012 #93
I'm wondering how anyone can claim that the killing was related to the weapons found at JDPriestly Jun 2012 #94
It's actually almost irrelevent if that was the specific gun used to kill Terry or not. PavePusher Jun 2012 #95
Holder was lied to. That is why he said what he did. That is why, when he learned JDPriestly Jul 2012 #96
"And now, Holder is investigating this." PavePusher Jul 2012 #97
Holder was not informed of the lie until earlier this year. He could not begin to JDPriestly Jul 2012 #99
Sorry, any military officer who was this out of control of her/his unit.... PavePusher Jul 2012 #100
Was a military officer booted for My Lai, for the torture at Abu Ghraib, for JDPriestly Jul 2012 #113
Yes, actually, many were fired/demoted/court-martialed/fined/relieved. PavePusher Jul 2012 #114
West: not just "conservative," but downright dangerous. JDPriestly Jul 2012 #116
It's right in the article: malthaussen Jun 2012 #32
Thank you, just got home and was going to post that. n/t PavePusher Jun 2012 #35
The guns were discovered at the murder scene, but was the bullet that killed JDPriestly Jun 2012 #80
So ATF has no one on duty during a holiday? National security issue that no one's minding the store wordpix Jul 2012 #119
Yeah a drop in the bucket of 2000 guns a day flooding across the border. Hassin Bin Sober Jun 2012 #27
So, the cartels are getting their full-auto AK's and their RPG's.... PavePusher Jun 2012 #28
You and I both know it's totally legal for a person to buy a full-auto AK, or RPG, in the US. boppers Jun 2012 #34
Which takes a Federal background check and several months to obtain.... PavePusher Jun 2012 #36
So, yeah, legal in the US. boppers Jun 2012 #39
I never said it wasn't legal.... but it's not the route the traffickers are using.... PavePusher Jun 2012 #40
Nope. No pictures. Just memories. boppers Jun 2012 #44
"assault uniforms"? "the attitude of the gun dealers"? PavePusher Jun 2012 #50
If you have a tactical vest, it *will* be used as evidence. boppers Jun 2012 #67
Here in the US? Or in Mexico? PavePusher Jun 2012 #70
The Uniform game? boppers Jun 2012 #72
So U.S. LE uniforms were being taken to Mexico and used in fake raids there? PavePusher Jun 2012 #74
Nonono, wait, I must not have been clear. boppers Jun 2012 #77
Turns out that's *exactly* the route the trafficers were using. boppers Jun 2012 #66
You're the one that brought in the "full auto" strawman. PavePusher Jun 2012 #69
Post #28 boppers Jun 2012 #71
Hmmm, apparently your sarcasmometer is out of calibration. PavePusher Jun 2012 #73
The cartels have a wide variety of hardware. boppers Jun 2012 #75
2000 guns a day flooding across the border? Link? rl6214 Jul 2012 #102
. Hassin Bin Sober Jul 2012 #105
Oh come on, you're not going to trot out that "truth" about the nra BS now are you? rl6214 Jul 2012 #107
So you trot out a right-wing blogger who thinks Obama really IS plotting to take guns away with F/F? Hassin Bin Sober Jul 2012 #109
Just the first google item I found that said Katherine Eban was an anti-gun zealot rl6214 Jul 2012 #110
Somehow I get the impression he is in your favorites. Hassin Bin Sober Jul 2012 #111
Who would this be you are talking about? rl6214 Jul 2012 #115
aw, give the NRA a break ---they want EVERYONE to own guns, drug cartels included wordpix Jul 2012 #120
"you don't stop valuable work just because some..." boppers Jun 2012 #33
The ATF could not stop the sale of those guns Sekhmets Daughter Jun 2012 #49
Had nothing to do with Arizona laws... PavePusher Jun 2012 #51
weakest gun violence prevention laws in the nation goodhue Jun 2012 #54
What "gun violence prevention laws" should we have? PavePusher Jun 2012 #55
The laws the ATF were hoping to enforce were federal goodhue Jun 2012 #56
Again, what laws should we have? PavePusher Jun 2012 #58
I was merely responding to assertion that Arizona's laws are not different from other states goodhue Jun 2012 #59
Most states do not have these restrictions. What makes Arizona a special case? PavePusher Jun 2012 #63
The content is not mine, but rather from the LCPVG goodhue Jun 2012 #85
As to what states should have, look to LCPCV's Model Laws . . . goodhue Jun 2012 #60
May I see your government issued First, Fourth, Thirteenth and Twenty-sixth Amendment licences... PavePusher Jun 2012 #62
I'm just sharing some model laws by interest group goodhue Jun 2012 #84
I guess I don't get to see those Permits, eh? PavePusher Jul 2012 #98
agree, but someone should be on duty during a holiday - ATF missed suspicious activity faxed to them wordpix Jul 2012 #121
IT IS THE ATF'S FAULT PERIOD. AND MANY MORE PEOPLES FAULT clang1 Jun 2012 #38
Yes. And some of that information may be about certain ATF agents themselves. JDPriestly Jun 2012 #79
"No federal statute outlaws firearms trafficking" naaman fletcher Jun 2012 #5
I had exactly the same reaction. That is complete bullshit! slackmaster Jun 2012 #6
ALSO naaman fletcher Jun 2012 #7
If you don't get past the 2nd paragraph, then you're missing out on a lot of pertinent detail goodhue Jun 2012 #23
yes of course naaman fletcher Jun 2012 #25
I'm not sure it's an error goodhue Jun 2012 #48
Exporting a firearm without a license to do so is a federal crime. So is providing one to anyone... slackmaster Jun 2012 #87
can you say whitewater? pansypoo53219 Jun 2012 #8
Fuck the National Republican Association. nt onehandle Jun 2012 #9
Perfect +1000000000000000000000000 Hoyt Jun 2012 #12
Propaganda. They have though. That is all that matters. clang1 Jun 2012 #13
THINK ABOUT IT....THEY ARE ACHIEVING THEIR GOAL THEY ARE DISRUPTING THE ELECTIONS clang1 Jun 2012 #14
IT IS TREASON. Understand, please. clang1 Jun 2012 #15
You keep responding to... yourself. PavePusher Jun 2012 #17
I NEED NO CREDIBILITY FROM ANYONE HERE clang1 Jun 2012 #41
Why are you screaming? rl6214 Jul 2012 #103
Do you now understand about CREDIBILITY? n/t clang1 Jun 2012 #42
No, I only understand that you are doing the Internet equivalent of shouting... PavePusher Jun 2012 #52
I have responded to one poster who claims Holder is Kingofalldems Jun 2012 #16
It is CORRUPTION clang1 Jun 2012 #24
K & R Scurrilous Jun 2012 #26
Excellent Reporting That Shows The NRA and Issa Conspiracy Mongering TomCADem Jun 2012 #30
Call it Mongering clang1 Jun 2012 #37
Don't Bogart that ... my friend UnrepentantLiberal Jun 2012 #65
Unfortunately, upon seeing her sources, I strongly doubt that the story is either factual or correct Big_Mike Jun 2012 #64
Reports Seems Far Better Sources Than Most Articles TomCADem Jun 2012 #78
Would make a hell of a novel malthaussen Jun 2012 #31
WHEN DID THE VIOLENCE BEGIN IN MEXICO? clang1 Jun 2012 #43
F&F was invented by Republicans Greggers Jun 2012 #45
No BIG DEAL ? clang1 Jun 2012 #53
Fortune reporter on AC360 . . . goodhue Jun 2012 #46
The truth is they are scared to death of Holder Mosaic Jun 2012 #47
If it turns out that the guns weren't walked (whatever that actuall means), truthisfreedom Jun 2012 #57
Yes. EVERYTHING must be considered. I see what I think is the OBVIOUS clang1 Jun 2012 #61
GOP/NRA gun nut witch hunters can kiss it jpak Jun 2012 #68
Keep telling it, don't let go of this. freshwest Jun 2012 #76
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Bullets in the chest are more "hurtful" than anything Clang1 put up here Kolesar Jun 2012 #83
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Link to Katherine Eban on Current TV . . . goodhue Jun 2012 #86
I'm sorry... I know I don't have all the facts... but,,, lib2DaBone Jul 2012 #101
Great read underpants Jul 2012 #104
Stay-behinds. Moles. sofa king Jul 2012 #106
The whole thing has always smelled like a W/Cheney mole operation underpants Jul 2012 #108
Chilling, indeed. DanTex Jul 2012 #112
Fortune follow-up story . . . goodhue Jul 2012 #122
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