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uawchild

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67. The historians do not all agree
Thu Aug 4, 2016, 09:41 PM
Aug 2016

that Austria was a victim of the Anschluss, I posted examples where it's shown the Austrians, as a nation, willingly joined Germany.

Sorry but you just don't get to ignore uncomfortable facts.

This is the third time you have brushed aside evidence against your assertion that the Anschluss was a blood less "invasion". It wasn't an invasion at all.

You keep wanting to distort history because I pointed out only 6 people, 3 on each side, died during the overwhelmingly peaceful annexation of Crimea. And that I attribute this fact to the vast majority of Crimeans WANTING to be annexed.

I think I have supported both these points sufficiently, unlike your failure to prove Austria was "the first victim" of nazi aggression. It simply was not, the Austrians were willing accomplices.

I am done. Having to make the same point three times is my limit for one night.

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There is an objective to all this and it is not "Russian Aggression" newthinking Jul 2016 #2
Before 2014 I probably would have agreed however Russia is in an expansionist mood cstanleytech Jul 2016 #3
.. Purveyor Jul 2016 #4
just how much do you admire that guy, anyway? uhnope Jul 2016 #8
"Russian Aggression" is a myth Cayenne Jul 2016 #5
Russia took Crimea by force, with a fig leaf of Russian equipped & secretly manned 'Crimean' forces. Bernardo de La Paz Jul 2016 #9
Russia took Crimea by force? uawchild Jul 2016 #11
Unmarked Russian forces with local militias, before the referendum, against UN resolution. Bernardo de La Paz Jul 2016 #13
Avoidance noted uawchild Jul 2016 #14
Force is not always marked by death. No avoidance. Russia used force to take over the Crimea. Bernardo de La Paz Jul 2016 #17
Lol can't admit you might be wrong? uawchild Jul 2016 #18
The referundum was not a true and proper referendum so there was not "willingness of the majority". Bernardo de La Paz Jul 2016 #19
more McCarthyism here on DU?!? uawchild Jul 2016 #21
No accusation. Written carefuly, so read carefully. You're overly-sensitive & only u think u win. nt Bernardo de La Paz Jul 2016 #25
It's rampant McCarthyism n/t uawchild Jul 2016 #26
This message was self-deleted by its author uhnope Jul 2016 #42
Exactly. A vote under foreign occupation must ALWAYS be assumed to be illegitimate. nt stevenleser Aug 2016 #51
Wasn't Iraq worse than Crimea? uawchild Jul 2016 #15
No, didn't we have world support then? treestar Aug 2016 #58
I take your point uawchild Aug 2016 #59
They had a huge parade Cayenne Jul 2016 #22
lol uawchild Jul 2016 #24
Looks familiar, where have I seen that before? stevenleser Aug 2016 #56
my god. Putin lovers really do live in an alternate reality. nt uhnope Jul 2016 #16
Putin haters are dangerous to the peace. Cayenne Jul 2016 #28
+10000 AntiBank Jul 2016 #34
drive-by one-liner Orwellian apologia uhnope Jul 2016 #41
Yep. nt stevenleser Aug 2016 #50
Killing is not required for one to wage an unprovoked war of aggression. See the Austrian anschluss stevenleser Aug 2016 #49
Sorry, but I do believe Austria, as a nation, joined the Third Reich willingly uawchild Aug 2016 #60
People have debated that point, but it's irrelevant. stevenleser Aug 2016 #61
it was YOUR example of a bloodless invasion uawchild Aug 2016 #62
That's right it was. And the point stands. nt stevenleser Aug 2016 #63
Not according to slews of historians uawchild Aug 2016 #65
The historians all agree that the anschluss was a war crime, just like Crimea. That's my point. stevenleser Aug 2016 #66
The historians do not all agree uawchild Aug 2016 #67
Yes they do all agree that it was a war crime. Sorry you don't get to make stuff up stevenleser Aug 2016 #68
Don't move goal posts, your point was debunked uawchild Aug 2016 #69
A straw man is not a debunking, its a logical fallacy. My point stands. stevenleser Aug 2016 #70
before wasting more of your time uhnope Aug 2016 #71
thank you for taking on a DUer defending Nazi war crimes comparable to Putin's takeover of Ukraine uhnope Aug 2016 #72
[reply made moot after post edited] Bernardo de La Paz Aug 2016 #77
sorry, Bernardo, I was not referring to Steve but to his interlocutor. uhnope Aug 2016 #78
If I hadn't read Orwell's notes on Nationalism, I wouldnt believe it or understand from where it stevenleser Aug 2016 #80
Ad hominem attacks and uhnope? uawchild Aug 2016 #82
Nope, my arguments to you are my arguments to you. I was talking with uhnope and stevenleser Aug 2016 #83
uhnope. Steven Steven Steven uawchild Aug 2016 #84
And you were talking about being ad-hominem? This is the problem with all your arguments stevenleser Aug 2016 #85
Don't like me laughing at your new Bestie? uawchild Aug 2016 #86
He didn't lie, he was right on. That's what you did. nt stevenleser Aug 2016 #87
Wow, you have hit rock bottom. uawchild Aug 2016 #88
I've already laid it out for you several times. You are so determined to defend Putin you dont see stevenleser Aug 2016 #89
"You are justifying both the Austrian Anschluss" That's a flat out lie. uawchild Aug 2016 #90
So a war crime is OK if Putin does it but not if the Third Reich does it. OK, I stand corrected. stevenleser Aug 2016 #91
And the CONCESSION of DEFEAT finally comes uawchild Aug 2016 #92
Yes, YOUR defeat. Your hypocrisy on war crimes is laid bare for all to see. nt stevenleser Aug 2016 #93
No apology for saying I defended NAZI WAR CRIMES? Ok... uawchild Aug 2016 #94
Yeah, um, you are defending Putin's war crimes. I don't apologize to those who engage in apologia stevenleser Aug 2016 #96
Are those goal posts shifting made of straw? lol uawchild Aug 2016 #99
Nope, while you have created straw men, I have been saying the same thing since my first stevenleser Aug 2016 #100
YOU JUST EDITED OUT THE PART YOU GOT CAUGHT LYING ABOUT. lol uawchild Aug 2016 #102
Nope, I was confused about your support for the same war crime in one case and not another. stevenleser Aug 2016 #103
Still not intellectually honest enough to apologize? uawchild Aug 2016 #104
Still not intellectually honest enough to admit you are supporting a war crime? stevenleser Aug 2016 #106
You are desperately trying to change the subject. You should be apologizing instead. uawchild Aug 2016 #109
Nope, once again, that has been my point since my first response to you. stevenleser Aug 2016 #110
Sorry you don't get to slip away while making false accusations uawchild Aug 2016 #111
Thats right, you don't get to slip away after being an apologist for Putin's war crimes. stevenleser Aug 2016 #112
Still waiting for your apology uawchild Aug 2016 #113
What apology? You are in fact an apologist for war crimes. Own it. nt stevenleser Aug 2016 #114
You really should just apologize uawchild Aug 2016 #115
Nope, I noted very specifically for which war crimes you are an apologist. nt stevenleser Aug 2016 #116
Yep, I noted specifically what false accusation you should apologize for. n/t uawchild Aug 2016 #119
And I noted that no apology is necessary, the confusion on that point is your fault. nt stevenleser Aug 2016 #120
It's important you apologize to not cheapen real accusations of anti-semitism uawchild Aug 2016 #121
I tried to warn you but you had to find out the hard way! uhnope Aug 2016 #95
I'm like a cat who likes playing with a caught mouse. Except in this case, the mouse kills itself at stevenleser Aug 2016 #97
yep...and then they thought they won! unbelieveabe. n/t uhnope Aug 2016 #98
English may not be their first language. Their first language is probably written in Cyrillic stevenleser Aug 2016 #101
Have you heard SoS Kerry lately? Cayenne Jul 2016 #20
Yes, the West does not readily recognize the Russian annexation of Crimea Bernardo de La Paz Jul 2016 #23
NATO is explicitly planning a war Cayenne Jul 2016 #27
I just explained why NATO is not planning a war. Bernardo de La Paz Jul 2016 #29
Yes they are, Syria is going to get hot Cayenne Jul 2016 #30
Use your head please. Neither NATO nor the US will start a war with Russia as the risk is to great cstanleytech Jul 2016 #31
There is no "war of expansion". Ghost Dog Jul 2016 #35
Uh huh tell that to the Ukrainian government. nt cstanleytech Jul 2016 #37
A quarter of Georgia has been occupied, and Crimea has been annexed. NuclearDem Aug 2016 #55
SU-24 shootdown Cayenne Jul 2016 #36
At first I thought you were being serious. Now I know you are joking. stevenleser Aug 2016 #64
I am sorry to see Robert Frost's poem locks Aug 2016 #46
Fences are different from walls. You can talk through fences, but not walls. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Aug 2016 #48
Poetry is different from literalism. LanternWaste Aug 2016 #53
I expect all out war in the ME right around October. roamer65 Jul 2016 #33
yup Cayenne Jul 2016 #40
Crimea's importance to Russia may have peaked. amandabeech Aug 2016 #57
No they did not. JackRiddler Aug 2016 #73
Your post is internally contradictory. Bernardo de La Paz Aug 2016 #79
NATO in Ukraine is their red line Cayenne Aug 2016 #118
When do you think your war is going to happen? What evidence do you have other than speculation? Bernardo de La Paz Aug 2016 #125
Kerry laid out Aug 1 Cayenne Aug 2016 #126
Ha ha ha haaa har! Bernardo de La Paz Aug 2016 #127
If "Russian Agression" is a myth, Canada would not be doing this. displacedtexan Aug 2016 #47
Yeah, why bother to figure anything out for yourself. JackRiddler Aug 2016 #75
No doubt, you have peer-reviewed, objective evidence to support this creative allegation LanternWaste Aug 2016 #52
Ask Ukraine or Georgia if they think it's a myth. NuclearDem Aug 2016 #54
I like to think you're joking. tavernier Aug 2016 #105
How dumb to announce stratigic battle Jnclr89 Jul 2016 #6
Wrong. Very smart to announce deployment so that nobody makes any false moves in reaction Bernardo de La Paz Jul 2016 #10
The strategic plan really is uawchild Jul 2016 #12
How many Crimeas and Ukraines are necessary ... JustABozoOnThisBus Jul 2016 #44
How many Iraqs and Afghanistans uawchild Jul 2016 #45
Godspeed. uhnope Jul 2016 #7
Emphasis on "little" as that number of troops is more symbolic than anything. nt cstanleytech Jul 2016 #32
of course Night Watchman Jul 2016 #38
I would not say the west couldnt win such a war rather it probably would cstanleytech Jul 2016 #39
that's hyperbole--there's no "nuclear tripwire". uhnope Jul 2016 #43
Yay! Turn Latvia into a battlefield on the basis of neocon fantasy! JackRiddler Aug 2016 #74
you sound like Trump uhnope Aug 2016 #76
Oh, I am wounded. JackRiddler Aug 2016 #107
how about I sound like McCartney? uhnope Aug 2016 #129
1st problem with your post is that Russia is no longer communist or even socialist. stevenleser Aug 2016 #81
WOW! YOU ARE SO DAMN SMART! JackRiddler Aug 2016 #108
Nope, just correcting a simple mistake in your post. Not a big deal. nt stevenleser Aug 2016 #117
jeez this sure became a meltdown thread for them Putinistas, didn't it? uhnope Aug 2016 #122
More negative nationalism on display. As Orwell noted it makes people nutty stevenleser Aug 2016 #128
Post removed Post removed Aug 2016 #123
be careful when you wage war of the weak wiki links uhnope Aug 2016 #124
Interesting. Quantess Aug 2016 #130
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