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58. No, didn't we have world support then?

Thu Aug 4, 2016, 04:47 PM

Aug 2016

For the most part. We were taking out Saddam, not trying to take over part of Iraq and add it to the US. This was supposedly because Saddam was going to get WMD. Nobody in Ukraine or Crimea seems to be a threat in that vein.

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Canadian-led battle group will deploy to Latvia, part of NATO move to deter Russia [View all] Night Watchman Jul 2016 OP

Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2016 #1

There is an objective to all this and it is not "Russian Aggression" newthinking Jul 2016 #2

Before 2014 I probably would have agreed however Russia is in an expansionist mood cstanleytech Jul 2016 #3

.. Purveyor Jul 2016 #4

just how much do you admire that guy, anyway? uhnope Jul 2016 #8

"Russian Aggression" is a myth Cayenne Jul 2016 #5

Russia took Crimea by force, with a fig leaf of Russian equipped & secretly manned 'Crimean' forces. Bernardo de La Paz Jul 2016 #9

Russia took Crimea by force? uawchild Jul 2016 #11

Unmarked Russian forces with local militias, before the referendum, against UN resolution. Bernardo de La Paz Jul 2016 #13

Avoidance noted uawchild Jul 2016 #14

Force is not always marked by death. No avoidance. Russia used force to take over the Crimea. Bernardo de La Paz Jul 2016 #17

Lol can't admit you might be wrong? uawchild Jul 2016 #18

The referundum was not a true and proper referendum so there was not "willingness of the majority". Bernardo de La Paz Jul 2016 #19

more McCarthyism here on DU?!? uawchild Jul 2016 #21

No accusation. Written carefuly, so read carefully. You're overly-sensitive & only u think u win. nt Bernardo de La Paz Jul 2016 #25

It's rampant McCarthyism n/t uawchild Jul 2016 #26

This message was self-deleted by its author uhnope Jul 2016 #42

Exactly. A vote under foreign occupation must ALWAYS be assumed to be illegitimate. nt stevenleser Aug 2016 #51

Wasn't Iraq worse than Crimea? uawchild Jul 2016 #15

No, didn't we have world support then? treestar Aug 2016 #58

I take your point uawchild Aug 2016 #59

They had a huge parade Cayenne Jul 2016 #22

lol uawchild Jul 2016 #24

Looks familiar, where have I seen that before? stevenleser Aug 2016 #56

my god. Putin lovers really do live in an alternate reality. nt uhnope Jul 2016 #16

Putin haters are dangerous to the peace. Cayenne Jul 2016 #28

+10000 AntiBank Jul 2016 #34

drive-by one-liner Orwellian apologia uhnope Jul 2016 #41

Yep. nt stevenleser Aug 2016 #50

Killing is not required for one to wage an unprovoked war of aggression. See the Austrian anschluss stevenleser Aug 2016 #49

Sorry, but I do believe Austria, as a nation, joined the Third Reich willingly uawchild Aug 2016 #60

People have debated that point, but it's irrelevant. stevenleser Aug 2016 #61

it was YOUR example of a bloodless invasion uawchild Aug 2016 #62

That's right it was. And the point stands. nt stevenleser Aug 2016 #63

Not according to slews of historians uawchild Aug 2016 #65

The historians all agree that the anschluss was a war crime, just like Crimea. That's my point. stevenleser Aug 2016 #66

The historians do not all agree uawchild Aug 2016 #67

Yes they do all agree that it was a war crime. Sorry you don't get to make stuff up stevenleser Aug 2016 #68

Don't move goal posts, your point was debunked uawchild Aug 2016 #69

A straw man is not a debunking, its a logical fallacy. My point stands. stevenleser Aug 2016 #70

before wasting more of your time uhnope Aug 2016 #71

thank you for taking on a DUer defending Nazi war crimes comparable to Putin's takeover of Ukraine uhnope Aug 2016 #72

[reply made moot after post edited] Bernardo de La Paz Aug 2016 #77

sorry, Bernardo, I was not referring to Steve but to his interlocutor. uhnope Aug 2016 #78

If I hadn't read Orwell's notes on Nationalism, I wouldnt believe it or understand from where it stevenleser Aug 2016 #80

Ad hominem attacks and uhnope? uawchild Aug 2016 #82

Nope, my arguments to you are my arguments to you. I was talking with uhnope and stevenleser Aug 2016 #83

uhnope. Steven Steven Steven uawchild Aug 2016 #84

And you were talking about being ad-hominem? This is the problem with all your arguments stevenleser Aug 2016 #85

Don't like me laughing at your new Bestie? uawchild Aug 2016 #86

He didn't lie, he was right on. That's what you did. nt stevenleser Aug 2016 #87

Wow, you have hit rock bottom. uawchild Aug 2016 #88

I've already laid it out for you several times. You are so determined to defend Putin you dont see stevenleser Aug 2016 #89

"You are justifying both the Austrian Anschluss" That's a flat out lie. uawchild Aug 2016 #90

So a war crime is OK if Putin does it but not if the Third Reich does it. OK, I stand corrected. stevenleser Aug 2016 #91

And the CONCESSION of DEFEAT finally comes uawchild Aug 2016 #92

Yes, YOUR defeat. Your hypocrisy on war crimes is laid bare for all to see. nt stevenleser Aug 2016 #93

No apology for saying I defended NAZI WAR CRIMES? Ok... uawchild Aug 2016 #94

Yeah, um, you are defending Putin's war crimes. I don't apologize to those who engage in apologia stevenleser Aug 2016 #96

Are those goal posts shifting made of straw? lol uawchild Aug 2016 #99

Nope, while you have created straw men, I have been saying the same thing since my first stevenleser Aug 2016 #100

YOU JUST EDITED OUT THE PART YOU GOT CAUGHT LYING ABOUT. lol uawchild Aug 2016 #102

Nope, I was confused about your support for the same war crime in one case and not another. stevenleser Aug 2016 #103

Still not intellectually honest enough to apologize? uawchild Aug 2016 #104

Still not intellectually honest enough to admit you are supporting a war crime? stevenleser Aug 2016 #106

You are desperately trying to change the subject. You should be apologizing instead. uawchild Aug 2016 #109

Nope, once again, that has been my point since my first response to you. stevenleser Aug 2016 #110

Sorry you don't get to slip away while making false accusations uawchild Aug 2016 #111

Thats right, you don't get to slip away after being an apologist for Putin's war crimes. stevenleser Aug 2016 #112

Still waiting for your apology uawchild Aug 2016 #113

What apology? You are in fact an apologist for war crimes. Own it. nt stevenleser Aug 2016 #114

You really should just apologize uawchild Aug 2016 #115

Nope, I noted very specifically for which war crimes you are an apologist. nt stevenleser Aug 2016 #116

Yep, I noted specifically what false accusation you should apologize for. n/t uawchild Aug 2016 #119

And I noted that no apology is necessary, the confusion on that point is your fault. nt stevenleser Aug 2016 #120

It's important you apologize to not cheapen real accusations of anti-semitism uawchild Aug 2016 #121

I tried to warn you but you had to find out the hard way! uhnope Aug 2016 #95

I'm like a cat who likes playing with a caught mouse. Except in this case, the mouse kills itself at stevenleser Aug 2016 #97

yep...and then they thought they won! unbelieveabe. n/t uhnope Aug 2016 #98

English may not be their first language. Their first language is probably written in Cyrillic stevenleser Aug 2016 #101

Have you heard SoS Kerry lately? Cayenne Jul 2016 #20

Yes, the West does not readily recognize the Russian annexation of Crimea Bernardo de La Paz Jul 2016 #23

NATO is explicitly planning a war Cayenne Jul 2016 #27

I just explained why NATO is not planning a war. Bernardo de La Paz Jul 2016 #29

Yes they are, Syria is going to get hot Cayenne Jul 2016 #30

Use your head please. Neither NATO nor the US will start a war with Russia as the risk is to great cstanleytech Jul 2016 #31

There is no "war of expansion". Ghost Dog Jul 2016 #35

Uh huh tell that to the Ukrainian government. nt cstanleytech Jul 2016 #37

A quarter of Georgia has been occupied, and Crimea has been annexed. NuclearDem Aug 2016 #55

SU-24 shootdown Cayenne Jul 2016 #36

At first I thought you were being serious. Now I know you are joking. stevenleser Aug 2016 #64

I am sorry to see Robert Frost's poem locks Aug 2016 #46

Fences are different from walls. You can talk through fences, but not walls. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Aug 2016 #48

Poetry is different from literalism. LanternWaste Aug 2016 #53

I expect all out war in the ME right around October. roamer65 Jul 2016 #33

yup Cayenne Jul 2016 #40

Crimea's importance to Russia may have peaked. amandabeech Aug 2016 #57

No they did not. JackRiddler Aug 2016 #73

Your post is internally contradictory. Bernardo de La Paz Aug 2016 #79

NATO in Ukraine is their red line Cayenne Aug 2016 #118

When do you think your war is going to happen? What evidence do you have other than speculation? Bernardo de La Paz Aug 2016 #125

Kerry laid out Aug 1 Cayenne Aug 2016 #126

Ha ha ha haaa har! Bernardo de La Paz Aug 2016 #127

If "Russian Agression" is a myth, Canada would not be doing this. displacedtexan Aug 2016 #47

Yeah, why bother to figure anything out for yourself. JackRiddler Aug 2016 #75

No doubt, you have peer-reviewed, objective evidence to support this creative allegation LanternWaste Aug 2016 #52

Ask Ukraine or Georgia if they think it's a myth. NuclearDem Aug 2016 #54

I like to think you're joking. tavernier Aug 2016 #105

How dumb to announce stratigic battle Jnclr89 Jul 2016 #6

Wrong. Very smart to announce deployment so that nobody makes any false moves in reaction Bernardo de La Paz Jul 2016 #10

The strategic plan really is uawchild Jul 2016 #12

How many Crimeas and Ukraines are necessary ... JustABozoOnThisBus Jul 2016 #44

How many Iraqs and Afghanistans uawchild Jul 2016 #45

Godspeed. uhnope Jul 2016 #7

Emphasis on "little" as that number of troops is more symbolic than anything. nt cstanleytech Jul 2016 #32

of course Night Watchman Jul 2016 #38

I would not say the west couldnt win such a war rather it probably would cstanleytech Jul 2016 #39

that's hyperbole--there's no "nuclear tripwire". uhnope Jul 2016 #43

Yay! Turn Latvia into a battlefield on the basis of neocon fantasy! JackRiddler Aug 2016 #74

you sound like Trump uhnope Aug 2016 #76

Oh, I am wounded. JackRiddler Aug 2016 #107

how about I sound like McCartney? uhnope Aug 2016 #129

1st problem with your post is that Russia is no longer communist or even socialist. stevenleser Aug 2016 #81

WOW! YOU ARE SO DAMN SMART! JackRiddler Aug 2016 #108

Nope, just correcting a simple mistake in your post. Not a big deal. nt stevenleser Aug 2016 #117

jeez this sure became a meltdown thread for them Putinistas, didn't it? uhnope Aug 2016 #122

More negative nationalism on display. As Orwell noted it makes people nutty stevenleser Aug 2016 #128

Post removed Post removed Aug 2016 #123

be careful when you wage war of the weak wiki links uhnope Aug 2016 #124

Interesting. Quantess Aug 2016 #130