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60. I believe people have a right to defend themselves.

Reply to maddezmom (Original post)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 08:30 PM

Jun 2012

but that does not give anyone free rein to kill anyone who is annoying you. This moron got what he deserved.

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Texas man gets 40 years in stand-your-ground case [View all] maddezmom Jun 2012 OP

That sounds about right for George Zimmerman too LynneSin Jun 2012 #1

But the law didn't shield this man at all. AtheistCrusader Jun 2012 #42

Wasn't aware they had one.. Always had self-defense and castle doctrine. freshwest Jun 2012 #55

Can you honestly say SYG didn't help lead this idiot..... Hassin Bin Sober Jun 2012 #56

He may have thought he was. Does not matter. AtheistCrusader Jun 2012 #63

FIXED: Repeal them clang1 Jun 2012 #66

Strongly disagree. AtheistCrusader Jun 2012 #73

Good - that was pre-meditated lame54 Jun 2012 #2

And dude should have known Hispanics tblue Jun 2012 #128

In other words, it actually was NOT a Stand Your Ground case after all slackmaster Jun 2012 #3

It was a case of a vigilante who believed a "stand your ground" law gave him a license to murder Major Nikon Jun 2012 #17

It didn't work out so well for the person he killed either. MH1 Jun 2012 #20

Hope the family of the deceased file a civil suit against him as well -- n/t mazzarro Jun 2012 #41

Right. He obviously decided to couch a premeditated murder as a SYG case. 40 years was not enough. marble falls Jun 2012 #102

Yes... Absolutely. hlthe2b Jun 2012 #4

This was just a murder. There was no loophole or castle doctrine involved. slackmaster Jun 2012 #7

that is the point.. these laws are being used to get by with murder in many cases. hlthe2b Jun 2012 #8

This case is not an example of someone getting away with murder, and SYG was not an issue. slackmaster Jun 2012 #9

Just because he failed in his attempt to use it does NOT make it a non-issue. hlthe2b Jun 2012 #11

It's not an issue in the context of this case slackmaster Jun 2012 #12

I think he believed -- "Get a gun and you too can stand your ground." That's the problem with SYG. Hoyt Jun 2012 #31

That's exactly what a conviction in this case signals to people. AtheistCrusader Jun 2012 #43

Apparently our gun carrying murderer missed the message, as did Zimmerman. Hoyt Jun 2012 #67

Not the gun store's problem. It's the state's problem. AtheistCrusader Jun 2012 #71

Exon, bankers, coal industry, gun promoters-- they perpetuate problems. Hoyt Jun 2012 #82

Not a problem with SYG.... PavePusher Jun 2012 #119

Yep, and the gun promoters are fine with more and more guns for "stupid people." Hoyt Jun 2012 #121

It was involved to the extent that this murderer tried to invoke that defense Major Nikon Jun 2012 #18

"almost got away with it" makes about as much sense as "almost pregnant" slackmaster Jun 2012 #22

Except when people actually do get away with it Major Nikon Jun 2012 #27

Provide specific cases. PavePusher Jun 2012 #120

no, it was a smoke screen that he tried to set up magical thyme Jun 2012 #44

Fair enough. The whole thing was premeditated including the attempt to use SYG as a defense. slackmaster Jun 2012 #49

Yep, this was the case nobodyspecial Jun 2012 #51

Correction: He was invoking that defense before he pulled the trigger. Hassin Bin Sober Jun 2012 #59

Every defendent thinks he is innocent. hack89 Jun 2012 #85

The guy is found guilty and that proves nothing is wrong with SYG? Major Nikon Jun 2012 #90

It proves that SYG did not apply. hack89 Jun 2012 #91

If it didn't apply, then why was he able to use that defense in the first place? Major Nikon Jun 2012 #97

Good point, defendants never use bogus defenses ag_dude Jun 2012 #101

Defendants can try any defense they want. hack89 Jun 2012 #103

No they can't Major Nikon Jun 2012 #105

You are not making much sense here. hack89 Jun 2012 #109

Don't minimize it that way just because the court found him guilty. Gormy Cuss Jun 2012 #19

Castle Doctrine isn't wrong. The defendant in this case is an IDIOT. That is the real problem. slackmaster Jun 2012 #23

I agree that the real problem is that the defendant is an idiot. Gormy Cuss Jun 2012 #38

yeah, a murdering idiot maddezmom Jun 2012 #39

PSA - Castle Doctrine is not the same as Stand your Ground. NutmegYankee Jun 2012 #35

The article used the term "Castle Doctrine" while defining it as SYG. Gormy Cuss Jun 2012 #36

The article is wrong. NutmegYankee Jun 2012 #89

It seems more like the guy's ignorance had everything to do with it... octothorpe Jun 2012 #37

I can't remember if he's the one who claimed he was "trained" at a concealed carry class Gormy Cuss Jun 2012 #40

Yes. Let's focus on what actually happened. Hassin Bin Sober Jun 2012 #58

Then the legal system has shown him how wrong his belief was. hack89 Jun 2012 #86

He then said, "I'm standing my ground here," progressoid Jun 2012 #99

I can claim to be the King of France slackmaster Jun 2012 #100

False equivalence progressoid Jun 2012 #107

I'm not aware of any law that says I CAN'T claim immunity for being the King of France slackmaster Jun 2012 #111

Nice try. progressoid Jun 2012 #114

Rodriguez ATTEMPTED to claim immunity under a Texas law, but his defense FAILED. slackmaster Jun 2012 #117

Good. When you show up with a video camera and a script... KansDem Jun 2012 #5

Even after seeing the video and hearing the scripted words Blue_Tires Jun 2012 #10

Loonies will always find a reason to believe they get to have it "their way"..... Swede Atlanta Jun 2012 #6

That's awesome.. and sends the right "message" 99th_Monkey Jun 2012 #13

I struggle to understand the whole "gun" mentality..... Swede Atlanta Jun 2012 #15

(d) All of the above 99th_Monkey Jun 2012 #16

I own several guns myself Major Nikon Jun 2012 #21

Exactly. It's one thing to have a few guns at home, but carrying them in public crosses the line. Hoyt Jun 2012 #32

Hope you aren't feeling judged or demonized 99th_Monkey Jun 2012 #33

I know exactly what you mean Major Nikon Jun 2012 #34

The chance that I will ever have a reason to use my legally concealed handgun ... spin Jun 2012 #62

For me, part of being a Democrat means I consider public policy from it's impact to society Major Nikon Jun 2012 #72

Please explain how having millions of gun owners have caused the violent crime rate to increase ... spin Jun 2012 #75

I've only seen this posted on DU about a million times Major Nikon Jun 2012 #83

You refuse to consider the innocent lives saved. GreenStormCloud Jun 2012 #93

I really don't care much for anecdotal data, especially that which can't be verified Major Nikon Jun 2012 #96

If as you say, "one innocent person dying as a result of this public policy is one too many" ... spin Jun 2012 #106

Self-defense is NOT vigilantism. GreenStormCloud Jun 2012 #81

How exactly did you provide any proof of your assertion that CCW "saves innocent lives"? Major Nikon Jun 2012 #84

It is very simple arithmatic. GreenStormCloud Jun 2012 #92

I merely asked you to support your assertion which you still have failed to do Major Nikon Jun 2012 #94

So, we should give up the right to defend ourselves, and tools for it... PavePusher Jun 2012 #123

I'm no gun nut defender, BUT MH1 Jun 2012 #26

So roughly 53 million Americans are "seriously deranged?" spin Jun 2012 #45

AS far as I know, the people that worry about tyranny don't carry a pistol for that purpose. AtheistCrusader Jun 2012 #48

Very true. (n/t) spin Jun 2012 #64

'mentality'? AtheistCrusader Jun 2012 #47

How about the fact that shooting guns is fun? hack89 Jun 2012 #87

I care not at all about the size of your genitalia. PavePusher Jun 2012 #124

Raul should have read the fine print, however TheCowsCameHome Jun 2012 #14

Good. blackspade Jun 2012 #24

SYG is not the same as Looking For Trouble. hobbit709 Jun 2012 #25

agreed and so did Zimmerman n/t maddezmom Jun 2012 #28

Exactly hobbit709 Jun 2012 #29

Another FOOL and another VICTIM clang1 Jun 2012 #50

could you give a hint about what you believe the Progression is maddezmom Jun 2012 #53

Excellent. Fuck that unjust law and its supporters. nt onehandle Jun 2012 #30

Tyranny clang1 Jun 2012 #46

he is in jail and now sentenced to 40 yrs because he murdered someone maddezmom Jun 2012 #52

READ what I said. You have NOT clang1 Jun 2012 #54

I have read it and like I said maddezmom Jun 2012 #57

Don't ask me another question until you understand what I wrote clang1 Jun 2012 #61

LOL maddezmom Jun 2012 #65

I take it, not a Language Arts teacher? AtheistCrusader Jun 2012 #74

WOULD THE MAN BE IN PRISON WERE IT NOT FOR THIS LAW!!!!!!!!!!!! clang1 Jun 2012 #76

I know you probably won't be reading this but do you think the law maddezmom Jun 2012 #77

IT IS PART OF THE CLIMATE THAT ALLOWED THAT TO HAPPEN clang1 Jun 2012 #78

why are you shouting? maddezmom Jun 2012 #79

I love that this person is trying to "school" you! intheflow Jun 2012 #98

George Zimmerman's defense is NOT going to be based on Stand Your Ground. His lawyer MAY make... slackmaster Jun 2012 #112

The victim in this case was a woman, actually. AtheistCrusader Jun 2012 #110

I believe people have a right to defend themselves. mysuzuki2 Jun 2012 #60

WHO says the LAW DOES NOT allow this do this? YOU? clang1 Jun 2012 #68

Hey, quit with the caps already! mysuzuki2 Jun 2012 #95

Yeah, well, I can claim I'm next in line to the British throne. BiggJawn Jun 2012 #69

40 years? For cold blooded murder? That's insanity!!!! nt valerief Jun 2012 #70

Just A Data Point - Raul Rodriguez is 47 years old slackmaster Jun 2012 #80

Parole. nt valerief Jun 2012 #125

He won't ever be eligible for early release with supervision - See page 31... slackmaster Jun 2012 #130

You should move to Washington State.. he's have gotten 6 years, tops. progressivebydesign Jun 2012 #115

Holy shit! That's insane!!!! nt valerief Jun 2012 #126

Justice is served ... for once. baldguy Jun 2012 #88

To me he seems a victim of this law as well Turbineguy Jun 2012 #104

You should revise your post to clarify ... spin Jun 2012 #108

That is certainly one possibility. ManiacJoe Jun 2012 #113

Sorry, I was indeed suggesting that he Turbineguy Jun 2012 #116

GOOD. n/t bitchkitty Jun 2012 #118

He deserves more caroll31 Jun 2012 #122

It would not surprise me to see Governor Perry give him a full pardon.... Swede Atlanta Jun 2012 #127

This idiot permatex Jun 2012 #129