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22. Based on history, I would expect Hillary Clinton to be a weak environmental POTUS.
Tue May 31, 2016, 09:55 AM
May 2016

Last edited Tue May 31, 2016, 11:57 AM - Edit history (1)

Why? Fracking, big oil, Keystone, supporter of MIC, supporter of carbon offset credits, supporter of free trade deals

POTUS Obama has been weak on the environment regards to priority of the issue.

Stopping war is a most forward environmental initiative as there is nothing more damaging to the environment and wasteful of natural resources than war.

The major environmental groups that rose to prominence in the 1960s and 1970s have become corporatized and weak sauce but good careers for a few since peaking in effectiveness in the 1980s, this includes the Natural Resource Defense Council and its affiliate NRDC Action Fund. NRDC can no longer be described as a grass roots organization. NRDC focuses on politics and fund raising and is part of the status quo. I am not claiming that NRDC is a "bad" organization but that it is a mature organization subject to corporate capture and is not the same grass roots organization as when came to prominence. NRDC maintains access to politicians and corporations now by a willingness to be part of the system and stay within that box.

The wiki for NRDC mentions five court cases; three were progressive environmental initiatives in the 1970s and 1980s, the last two are from the 113th Congress and one could argue the nuance is more to protect specific corporate from grass roots interests.

From wiki: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_Resources_Defense_Council

NRDC opposed the Water Rights Protection Act (H.R. 3189; 113th Congress), a bill that would prevent federal agencies from requiring certain entities to relinquish their water rights to the United States in order to use public lands.[18][19] According to opponents, the bill is too broad.[19][20] They believe the bill "could also block federal fisheries agencies like the United States Fish and Wildlife Service from requiring flows that help salmon find fish ladders and safely pass over dams."[19]

Proponents of the bill disagree with NRDC's stance on the bill, arguing that the current Federal policy defended by NRDC seeks to make users of public lands turn over water rights which in many cases they have paid state or local governments for. Operators of ski areas, ranchers, and farmers, and other users of public land say that the Federal policy defended by NRDC denies them rights to use water for which they have already paid, effectively denying them use of the land. The Water Rights Protection Act is supported by national ski area groups, the American Farm Bureau Federation, the National Association of Conservation Districts, the National Cattlemen’s Beef Association, the Family Farm Alliance, the National Water Resources Association, the Colorado River Conservation District, the Colorado Association of Conservation Districts, and other interests threatened by existing Federal water policy in the West which the NRDC is defending.[21]

NRDC supported the EPS Service Parts Act of 2014 (H.R. 5057; 113th Congress), a bill that would exempt certain external power supplies from complying with standards set forth in a final rule published by the United States Department of Energy in February 2014.[22][23] The United States House Committee on Energy and Commerce describes the bill as a bill that "provides regulatory relief by making a simple technical correction to the 2007 Energy Independence and Security Act to exempt certain power supply (EPS) service and spare parts from federal efficiency standards."[24]

Effect on administrative law

The NRDC has been involved in the following Supreme Court cases interpreting United States administrative law.
Vermont Yankee Nuclear Power Corp. v. Natural Resources Defense Council, Inc., 435 U.S. 519 (1978), which held that courts could not impose additional procedural requirements on administrative agencies beyond that required by the agency's organic statute or the Administrative Procedure Act.
Chevron U.S.A., Inc. v. Natural Resources Defense Council, Inc., 467 U.S. 837 (1984), which gave administrative agencies broad discretion to interpret statute to make policy changes if Congressional intent was unclear. Chevron is now the most-cited case in American case law, even more so than all the citations to famous decisions such as Marbury v. Madison, Brown v. Board of Education, and Roe v. Wade combined.[25]
Baltimore Gas & Elec. Co. v. Natural Resources Defense Council, Inc., 462 U.S. 78 (1983)[26] is a United States Supreme Court decision which held to be valid a Nuclear Regulatory Commission (NRC) rule that the permanent storage of nuclear waste should be assumed to have no environmental impact during the licensing of nuclear power plants.

Regards the NRDC Action Fund:

http://www.nrdcactionfund.org/about/ and,


One should note that about 85% of NRDC Action Fund contributions go to pay W-2 salaries of between $175,000 and $422,000 and these same individuals each had between $35,000 to $63,000 of income from actions related to the NRDC but not NRDC Action Fund W-2 income.

Good to see that some people are thinking. MariaThinks May 2016 #1
K&R... quickesst May 2016 #2
Excellent! Great endorsement. livetohike May 2016 #3
Where the Rubber Meets the Road for this Election bucolic_frolic May 2016 #4
Massive K & R. Thanks for posting. Good for Team Hillary. Surya Gayatri May 2016 #5
"Left-leaning?".. well sort of. Depends on the meaning of left...and leaning... pangaia May 2016 #6
The passion experience and savvy to build on Obama's environmental legacy spanzini May 2016 #7
How about opening up the Santra Barbara coastline to fracking? raindaddy May 2016 #14
This message was self-deleted by its author cyberpj May 2016 #8
This is a PR puff piece, not an investigative report. Divernan May 2016 #9
"And the NRDC's silence on Sanders is deafening." TwilightZone May 2016 #15
Great news for Hillary Cryptoad May 2016 #10
How is it that Hillary Lean May 2016 #18
You gotta love those who continue to point to polls puffy socks May 2016 #59
K&R nt ProudProgressiveNow May 2016 #11
Lol EdwardBernays May 2016 #12
I am SHOCKED! SHOCKED!!!! dorkzilla May 2016 #24
but the Newish President was very anti-fracking trudyco May 2016 #50
Yep, I thought I heard the bus coming. RandySF May 2016 #54
So, that would be the PAC Kelvin Mace May 2016 #13
Yes, because it's likely that the organization itself cannot endorse anyone. alarimer May 2016 #45
Gov Jerry Brown CA just Endorsed Hillary just now: Brown is concerned with the GE and riversedge May 2016 #16
Enormous respect for Jerry, I have. Actor May 2016 #51
Guess I'll be looking for another environmental group to support. truebrit71 May 2016 #17
"the NRDC Action Fund, a political affiliate of the Natural Resources Defense Council" MisterP May 2016 #19
Wrong TwilightZone May 2016 #21
Yay fracking! dragonfly301 May 2016 #20
Wow jpmonk91 May 2016 #30
Based on history, I would expect Hillary Clinton to be a weak environmental POTUS. PufPuf23 May 2016 #22
Queen fracking retrowire May 2016 #23
It doesn't but we're supposed to pretend it does dorkzilla May 2016 #25
why cant the world make sense? retrowire May 2016 #26
IDK I'm very disappointed jpmonk91 May 2016 #29
Lots more company BlueMTexpat May 2016 #27
This is a great endorsement DesertRat May 2016 #28
All Hail the Eventual Fracker-in-Chief! Herman4747 May 2016 #31
This endorsement jpmonk91 May 2016 #32
and Trump WILL keep burning fossil fuels. riversedge May 2016 #33
Wow you don't get it jpmonk91 May 2016 #34
Oh, I get that June 7th will be #HillaryCelebrationDay riversedge May 2016 #37
Sigh that is not relevant to jpmonk91 May 2016 #38
Yea... deathrind May 2016 #53
Also jpmonk91 May 2016 #40
So happy angrychair May 2016 #35
I agree jpmonk91 May 2016 #36
A lot of these groups have strange bedfellows. alarimer May 2016 #46
Never Heard of Them mishi48.59 May 2016 #39
It says they are a "major environmental group" right in the headline to let you know. bluedigger May 2016 #41
They have two million members and have been around for 45 years. TwilightZone May 2016 #42
Look silly, Hell. bluedigger May 2016 #43
Yep. PatrynXX May 2016 #49
I don't care. jpmonk91 May 2016 #44
I like to minimize people and organizations predicated wholly on my ignorance of them too. LanternWaste May 2016 #57
The Natural Resources Defense Council Is A Very Active Environmental Group... TomCADem May 2016 #58
Thank you! mishi48.59 Jun 2016 #60
Given the number of past candidates with perhaps better "green" track records that didn't get their hughee99 May 2016 #47
disappointed in NRDC. usually they are smart PatrynXX May 2016 #48
This message was self-deleted by its author cyberpj May 2016 #52
This message was self-deleted by its author cyberpj May 2016 #55
NRDC very clearly saying it hasn't endorsed even if its PAC did MisterP May 2016 #56
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