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58. As a Republican who lives in Texas and believes we have a right to self defense .....

Thu Jun 14, 2012, 08:16 AM

Jun 2012

and the defense in our homes, I also believe 'stand your ground' is stupid beyond belief (as is concealed carry laws) and that video or no that 'dude' was out to murder his neighbor and that if Zimmerman wasn't out to murder Trayvon, killing Trayvon was definitely on the table in his mind when he confronted him. These guys need to go to prison for very, very long times. I am against the death penalties.

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Texas jury convicts man in stand your ground case [View all] pnwmom Jun 2012 OP

good, he deserves nothing less than life in prison JI7 Jun 2012 #1

I don't know the specifics of this case but......... Swede Atlanta Jun 2012 #2

These SYG laws are so full of holes and open to abuse it's ridiculous meanit Jun 2012 #9

The original concept was sound, the execution into law a disaster. NutmegYankee Jun 2012 #34

As, of course, was completely predictable primavera Jun 2012 #61

And of course, there IS all of that. There must be an overt threat. AtheistCrusader Jun 2012 #53

This was not a SYG case hack89 Jun 2012 #57

You should read up on both the law and this specific case slackmaster Jun 2012 #63

But, courts need to make that clear. JDPriestly Jun 2012 #97

The facts of the case are these: PersonA was having a party and making noise. PersonB did not Vincardog Jun 2012 #92

yes, it seemed more like premeditated murder TheFarseer Jun 2012 #107

The specifics were certain to get him convicted. dixiegrrrrl Jun 2012 #98

Good! obamanut2012 Jun 2012 #3

An eye for an eye in this case. Woody Woodpecker Jun 2012 #4

an eye for an eye... awoke_in_2003 Jun 2012 #12

Nyuk Nyuk Nyuk! Woody Woodpecker Jun 2012 #24

Well, if I am a chicken... awoke_in_2003 Jun 2012 #28

Castle Doctrine is NOT a failure. NutmegYankee Jun 2012 #36

Rodriquez left his home and went outside so the castle law does not apply Thinkingabout Jun 2012 #74

What the hell are you talking about? NutmegYankee Jun 2012 #87

What does that have to do with this case? tabasco Jun 2012 #91

Woody called Castle Doctrine a failure in post #4. NutmegYankee Jun 2012 #94

I don't agree with Meiko Jun 2012 #56

I saw the video. He should have been convicted. n/t USD79 Jun 2012 #5

Agreed. And welcome to DU! shcrane71 Jun 2012 #21

I saw the video christx30 Jun 2012 #89

I'm pleasantly surprised. Vidar Jun 2012 #6

me too otherone Jun 2012 #8

Me, three. pnwmom Jun 2012 #16

I'm not. From the link, the guilty verdict was likely; it matched my years there: freshwest Jun 2012 #20

Excellent, the jury made the right decision AnOhioan Jun 2012 #7

"It's coming right for us!" drm604 Jun 2012 #10

Jimbo would fit in well... awoke_in_2003 Jun 2012 #13

Common sense prevails. Even in Texas. n/t ejbr Jun 2012 #11

has anyone seen if Freepers are saying anything about this ? JI7 Jun 2012 #14

It would be interesting, but I can't go there. freshwest Jun 2012 #22

I can sarisataka Jun 2012 #25

Then go there and bring an analysis back. Just cut out the usual vulgar hate speech. freshwest Jun 2012 #27

i think they did, the "chirp chirp" JI7 Jun 2012 #44

Exactly sarisataka Jun 2012 #45

Ah, crickets. freshwest Jun 2012 #48

Who is defending Zimmerman? gejohnston Jun 2012 #31

The Freepers and people like them. JoeyT Jun 2012 #60

There are very clear differences in the two cases. Spoonman Jun 2012 #75

Good. yardwork Jun 2012 #15

The initially released videos sarisataka Jun 2012 #17

Don't forget the part where he said that the police officer was talking about pnwmom Jun 2012 #41

I know I am usually drunk sarisataka Jun 2012 #46

Good. Wonder what would have happened without the video? Hoyt Jun 2012 #18

Probably the same verdict intheflow Jun 2012 #23

Hope you are right, but I kind of think Post #29 makes a good point. SYG can happen anywhere. Hoyt Jun 2012 #30

As a Republican who lives in Texas and believes we have a right to self defense ..... marble falls Jun 2012 #58

His ground will be about 8'x8' square very soon. TheCowsCameHome Jun 2012 #19

Doesn't seem like a stand your ground case at all. Cronkite Jun 2012 #26

This being Texas and watching the video.... radarluv Jun 2012 #29

about as blind as it is in say Maryland gejohnston Jun 2012 #33

They do that in my state, too obamanut2012 Jun 2012 #47

I've been wondering that, too -- if the victim was the Hispanic guy, pnwmom Jun 2012 #43

Clearly he was convicted based on his race and not his obvious guilt 4th law of robotics Jun 2012 #76

I think what we are witnessing is a consequence of SYG being a law fascisthunter Jun 2012 #32

SYG didn't have a damn thing to do with it. AtheistCrusader Jun 2012 #54

Which is why SYG doesn't protect Zimmerman either, IMHO. kestrel91316 Jun 2012 #35

+1000 SunSeeker Jun 2012 #71

I agree gejohnston Jun 2012 #37

There was a gun shop owner and "safety expert" who said on TV pnwmom Jun 2012 #42

He "said" the right things. boppers Jun 2012 #49

And wasn't evident in the video. AtheistCrusader Jun 2012 #55

This was about someone trying to claim self-defense while standing someone ELSE'S ground slackmaster Jun 2012 #66

I don't know about the rest of the country, secondvariety Jun 2012 #90

So glad to see this. Never expected it. Gives human beings reason to hope. Thanks. n/t Judi Lynn Jun 2012 #38

Post over at Alternet: 5 SYG cases you should know about DiverDave Jun 2012 #39

Thanks, DiverDave. That is truly disgusting. n/t pnwmom Jun 2012 #40

I agree that the laws need to be rewritten ... spin Jun 2012 #64

gun nuts ALWAYS "fear for their lives" Skittles Jun 2012 #50

Define "gun nuts" ... spin Jun 2012 #65

Same goes for Zimmerman... pacalo Jun 2012 #51

I hope so. n/t pnwmom Jun 2012 #52

The big complication with Zimmerman is the lack of witnesses. hack89 Jun 2012 #67

It's the big picture that's the most incriminating, imo. pacalo Jun 2012 #95

Totally irrelevant in court though hack89 Jun 2012 #96

The fact that Zimmerman pursued Trayvon is very relevant. pacalo Jun 2012 #100

To a point hack89 Jun 2012 #101

It's pretty clear to me that Zimmerman didn't stand back & allow the police to handle his complaint pacalo Jun 2012 #102

No doubt hack89 Jun 2012 #103

Who committed the "first illegal act"? pacalo Jun 2012 #104

It is not illegal to follow and verbally confront someone hack89 Jun 2012 #108

Just as in the Texas case, it will be clear that there would not have been a need for pacalo Jun 2012 #109

There are some fundamental differences though hack89 Jun 2012 #110

Well that is really good news UglyGreed Jun 2012 #59

The media has been constantly saying that "Stand Your Ground" laws ... spin Jun 2012 #62

One case doesn't disprove the media's point pnwmom Jun 2012 #69

I agree. This case should be publicized... spin Jun 2012 #70

You can't hide murder behind any law. ileus Jun 2012 #68

Obviously. Just because the shooter SAID it was a stand your ground scenario did not make it so dmallind Jun 2012 #72

There is a false equivalency if there ever was one. Illegal parking doesn't result in the death of upaloopa Jun 2012 #79

And since when did analogies have to be identical? Neither did SYG laws result in this death btw dmallind Jun 2012 #83

Much too late, Rodriquez will find there is such a thing as living in real fear for your life. freshwest Jun 2012 #73

I have a sneaking suspicion that SYG only applies to Whites catbyte Jun 2012 #77

This has gone too far. Society has been bullied by the gun lobby to let gun nuts shoot first and upaloopa Jun 2012 #78

Our entire criminal justice system is based on a presumption that the defendant is innocent slackmaster Jun 2012 #80

Two things happened reasently that resulted in an innocent person losing his life. upaloopa Jun 2012 #81

No, an innocent person is dead because an idiot broke multiple laws and committed murder slackmaster Jun 2012 #82

You know what would be nice to hear? A gun person saying "Gee! what a tragedy that an upaloopa Jun 2012 #84

Something else that would be nice to hear sarisataka Jun 2012 #85

The shooter admitted to the shooting, and helpfully made the video. pnwmom Jun 2012 #106

My point is that sarisataka Jun 2012 #111

I suspect you would hear less of the latter if 4th law of robotics Jun 2012 #99

A neighborhood bully who had a CHL, an arsenal of weapons and a knowledge of the law Gothmog Jun 2012 #86

His knowledge of the law was flawed slackmaster Jun 2012 #88

TYT had this as a segment earlier in the week........ I am glad TX Smilo Jun 2012 #93

Fuck yeah, trial by jury. joshcryer Jun 2012 #105