Welcome to DU!
The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards.
Join the community:
Create a free account
Support DU (and get rid of ads!):
Become a Star Member
Latest Breaking News
General Discussion
The DU Lounge
All Forums
Issue Forums
Culture Forums
Alliance Forums
Region Forums
Support Forums
Help & Search
Latest Breaking News
In reply to the discussion: Chavez rallies thousands launching re-election bid [View all]Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)69. It's not like Chavez would oppose including them in the Constitution.
What bothers me is the implication that everything Chavez and the PSUV have done is inherently illegitimate, and that this Capriles fellow HAS to be brought in for Venezuela to be able to claim to be a "democracy" assuming that word even means anything to "pro-business" types or Venezuelan billionaires).
And if the community councils were abolished(as we can assume Capriles would do)how could that NOT create a system that was permanently biased towards the middle-class and the wealthy(the only people that ever win in conventional "representative democracy", a form of governance that always puts property before human needs).
Edit history
Please sign in to view edit histories.
129 replies
= new reply since forum marked as read
Highlight:
NoneDon't highlight anything
5 newestHighlight 5 most recent replies
RecommendedHighlight replies with 5 or more recommendations
This is just false, the primary polls have him polling across all demographics.
joshcryer
Jun 2012
#72
Yeah, because the "vultures" weren't circling in Caprile's registration thread.
joshcryer
Jun 2012
#73
so you didn't hear about the Capriles rally in Caracas where Chavistas were shooting
Bacchus4.0
Jun 2012
#92
Designations used doesn't change that their policies are left of our progressive caucus.
joshcryer
Jun 2012
#128
While your hate for Chavez and the left in general is more adorable than harmful...
harmonicon
Jun 2012
#8
For what it's worth I hope with every fiber of my being that he lives until Oct. 7th.
joshcryer
Jun 2012
#9
I did not say that, you're saying I'm ruling out that possiblity, it's simply untrue.
joshcryer
Jun 2012
#77
Looks as if they put a platform on top of a truck. Looks like a good idea, doesn't it?
Judi Lynn
Jun 2012
#10
Compare Rightwing rallies here for the presidential election to Leftwing rallies, even when the
sabrina 1
Jun 2012
#23
His father was a businessman in the cookies industry I think. Have you heard about JFK's?
ChangoLoa
Jun 2012
#47
What does " 'officialization' of all social programs in the Constitution" even mean?
Ken Burch
Jun 2012
#57
All the old oligarchs are gone, ousted from power. The rest of that is nonsense.
joshcryer
Jun 2012
#38
oh, I'd love to see the links to claims you make about Capriles' positions n/t
Bacchus4.0
Jun 2012
#39
It sounds like they read Capriles' platform and then prepended "is against" to it.
joshcryer
Jun 2012
#42
bogus claims indeed. could you imagine if Capriles was against free health care???
Bacchus4.0
Jun 2012
#44
He would not have got almost 3 million votes in the primaries that's for damn sure.
joshcryer
Jun 2012
#45
There's nothing good in Capriles-he just wants to put the rich back in power.
Ken Burch
Jun 2012
#56
That's quite perverse. He means that he isn't going to pull a Chavez and divide the country.
joshcryer
Jun 2012
#71
The rich were always destined to be anti-Chavez no matter what rhetoric he used.
Ken Burch
Jun 2012
#89
Do you have any reference to Capriles and your claim he "build more houses and schools in his state
Judi Lynn
Jun 2012
#83
I doubt it's overlooked, I think people just don't want to accept that Chavismo isn't the best.
joshcryer
Jun 2012
#85
Found a video of the registration for candidacy by Hugo Chavez on June 11, 2012.
Judi Lynn
Jun 2012
#22
The Global Oil Cartels are not going to be happy. I'm sure they're pouring money into the
sabrina 1
Jun 2012
#24
The tactics used by Chavistas are right wing in comparison to Primero Justicia.
joshcryer
Jun 2012
#26
Yep, they even use voter suppression / messaging tactics right out of a teabagger / GOP playbook:
joshcryer
Jun 2012
#30
didn't see that one, thanks. I was down "south" for 9 days lets no forget the shooting incident
Bacchus4.0
Jun 2012
#32
The same thing happens anywhere, if someone has a corruption cloud hanging over their heads,
sabrina 1
Jun 2012
#36
it is the actual administration that has barred numerous opposition candidates
Bacchus4.0
Jun 2012
#37
Um, if Hillary Clinton said what he said, and it was posted on WhiteHouse.gov...
joshcryer
Jun 2012
#40
Totally false. You're reading Granma or some other propaganda site for that information.
joshcryer
Jun 2012
#78
Chavismo is right wing state capitalism that has led to 150k murdered Venezuelans.
joshcryer
Jun 2012
#79
We never see that crappola, not even in our goober corporate faux "news" (for idiots only) media.
Judi Lynn
Jun 2012
#99
It could've been phrased better. I should've said it is a crony capitalist state...
joshcryer
Jun 2012
#104
I have said nothing that is a lie in this thread. The right wing isn't concerned about much...
joshcryer
Jun 2012
#119
I agree. And Chavismo has not been a friend of unions and they recently pulled out of ILO.
joshcryer
Jun 2012
#115
Obama had good relations with Venezuela until Wikileaks. Then Chavez got a hot head.
joshcryer
Jun 2012
#106
No, they are not. They cash in when Venezuela expropriates their dying businesses.
joshcryer
Jun 2012
#103
haha good one, but the Cuban government is actually becoming more progressive
Bacchus4.0
Jun 2012
#122
Yup, it is a requirement for LBN. We always know how the piece will go if the subject is a leftist.
Judi Lynn
Jun 2012
#118
We got a real view of how corporate media cover leftist demonstrations when Bush was the pResident.
Judi Lynn
Jun 2012
#120
Are you taking a playbook from that? Downplaying Capriles' possible million man march?
joshcryer
Jun 2012
#123